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On October 11 2011 14:25 ChApFoU wrote:
Funny how Stephano's victory seems like a pain in the butt to some of you. I'm not saying he's going to fly to korea tomorrow and stomp the entire code S right away but fact is that no foreigner has ever accomplished what he has accomplished. His incredibly impressive run at IPL (from the qualifiers to the final victory) is so far unmatched.
Huk??? His two consecutive tournament wins is more impressive. Stephano hasnt proven anything except that hes a good foreigner. He's not close to Code S level and the fact that you think he can compete at Code S level right now shows how retarded and biased you are.
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On October 11 2011 14:35 5unrise wrote:
Stephano beat MMA and MKP, then went on to defeat Lucky and theSTC. He is clearly very good. He may have dropped a set, but in sc2 you can easily drop a series, even getting 2-0ed, by anybody. Losing 1 set does not equate to him not actually being as good.
wtf are you talking about? Get your facts straight before posting.
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On October 11 2011 14:39 jyLee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 14:35 5unrise wrote:
Stephano beat MMA and MKP, then went on to defeat Lucky and theSTC. He is clearly very good. He may have dropped a set, but in sc2 you can easily drop a series, even getting 2-0ed, by anybody. Losing 1 set does not equate to him not actually being as good. wtf are you talking about? Get your facts straight before posting.
? My facts are right... Stephano beat MKP 2-1 in the #2 qualifier, MMA 2-1 in the #3 qualifier. In playoffs he 3-1 the STC, 4-0 Lucky... what is wrong with what I said?
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Code S isn't everything, you know. HuK, aLive and so on are Code S but did anyone seriously consider either of them having a chance to win the tournament?
The finals was between a foreigner and a Code A zerg who 3-0ed MMA for gods sake. Give the guys some credit. They clearly have a lot of skill.
Maybe Code S just isn't what people make it out to be. The skill gap between foreigners and Koreans is clearly beginning to close up at the higher level and it's really silly to deny it. I mean you only have to look at someone like Thorzain, who continually takes games off the highest level Koreans and probably would have won the tournament were it not for a disappointing series.
Though I'd say the best player in the world is still Korean, the practice regime and interest in the pro scene over in the EU and the US is starting to catch up to the Korean ethos.
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On October 11 2011 13:45 Hall0wed wrote:
Could someone explain to me the story behind the IPL dude risking his career for eSports? I keep hearing this but I missed the story behind it.
Short version:
IGN engineer, David Ting (the awards presenter at the end) goes to his boss and says,"Wouldn't it be cool if we had an e-sports division?"
Boss goes,"WTF? That's crazy!" but eventually says,"OK, go ahead, but don't spend any money!" IPL1 is born.
Fast forward to IPL3. David Ting is now General Manager of their e-sports division.
Corrections welcomed.
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Personally, I don't care what anybody says.
Stephano is Code S material like it or not. Get your heads out of your asses and accept the truth for what it is.
One-siding a code A player 4-0 that beat MMA 3-0 is saying something.
Not to mention he beat MMA 2-1 in the qualifiers and face stomped many others. If you want to say Stephano is not code S material then show some facts to prove it.
Even Koreans are saying that Stephano is ahead of Nestea (like it or not). I notice a lot of people try to make Koreans seem like Gods and that no foreigner will ever catch up to them because of their success on Brood War. Keep in mind, the Foreign SC scene started much later then the Korean scene so of course there was a huge skill gap in brood war. But, this isn't brood war; it's an entirely different game where foreigners are on the same level of the top Koreans.
If Stephano isn't code S material; please show me a list of players that would convincingly beat him with FACTS to prove it also don't mention MVP because I am sure that's the first and last person people will mention besides Nestea of course; who might I add was beaten by Dimaga in the super tournament when Nestea had a flawless ZvZ record. Code S is overrated and I'm sure those players could be beaten by foreigners.
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On October 10 2011 12:18 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:17 hugman wrote:On October 10 2011 12:15 Hall0wed wrote:
Boy did Stephano ever get some help from the bracket. He had by far the easiest path, wow. Beating the people who knocked out IdrA, Huk, MC, Ret, Ryung and MMA. Sounds like an "easy" path. If it was so easy maybe those players would've advanced... from left to right: foreigner, slumping half/half, code B, foreigner, beaten by Lucky, beaten by Lucky, and we all saw Lucky's ZvZ, plus it was BO wins half the games he's good, no-one's arguing that, he's not the next bonjwa
Zerg isn't just about Build order wins Stephano just Outplayed Lucky.
His Micro was superior he scouted/read his opponent much better. He defended almost every attack perfectly as well.
He 4-0'ed Lucky and since you're part of FXO i think i'd assume your just being blatantly biased. Sure maybe i'm not a masters player but i beat Zerg players in Masters since i'm a high ranked diamonds.
And i can tell you this Zerg vs Zerg is not solely reliant on Build Order Choices.
Early Zerg Vs Zerg is extremely Micro Heavy; When it's Ling/Bling and most of the Games were.
Stephano 4-0 Lucky. If you watch the games Stephano seemed to be Incontrol throughout every match.
I'm a pretty crappy Zerg player since im only high diamond but i've beaten rank 20+ Zerg masters before and Zerg vs Zerg is definitely not just BO Losses.
Stephano didn't just win because of BO's its not all about BO's ZvZ also heavy Relies on how much drones you can pump out as early as possible and having the superior ling bling micro Early game.
You have to read your opponent checking if he's making expo and/or scouting your opponent to see how many drones he has and/or tech buildings.
When you get roaches out the game becomes a bit less volatile
Stephano just out microed out macroed out played Lucky; he also Read Lucky like a Book
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Saying that Stephano is Code S material is just....True.
Being code s, means you can compete with players from code S. Not that you can beat ALL of them.
Other then MVP/Nestea/DRG/Losira/....who are just miles ahead from the rest of the code s. Others are not that impressive that you can deny Stephano that right.
And while GSL remains the retarded tournament where you can't go to any other big tournaments in the world while you are taking it seriously...i don't want to make players have to go there to prove anything.
you can watch their play instead, and watch how they fare against top koreans who do come.
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Haters gonna hates 
Stephano made is 62-2 record on ladder => who cares about ladder ?
Stephano go through qualifier for IPL beating MMA, MKP, Puzzle and Revival => Online doesn't count
Stephano win against Boxer, Inori, TheSTC, Lucky => they are not real Korean since they are not code S
Stephano 2-0 Huk => he's a fake code S who does'nt deserve to be there,
See he loses 2-0 against Alive making only ling, he must be bronze.
Until Stephano win a Bo 9 against MVP and Nestea (the both playing together as a team) haters gonna always find a good reason not to recognise he is good.
(And I don't think he gonna roflstomp MLG)
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And guys.....who the hell made a serious notion that Stephano is the next Bonjwa !?
I didn't read any1 claiming that, yet, so many people are providing "claims" that he is not!
So....just...yah.
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On October 11 2011 13:07 jyLee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 12:05 Otolia wrote:
Is this a concert of downers ?
Cheer up, be happy guys. A foreigner won, that's good. A Korean could have won and it would have been equally awesome. Get over your childish argument and be happy that IPL is stepping up its game to provide us with awesome tournament. Nobody is down on IPL. I think most people are just annoyed by all the europeans who are pronouncing Stephano the next bonjwa. What a joke. He beat zero Code S players in the actual LAN event. The only Code S player he played (aLive), he got stomped. I dont see why everyone thinks he's all of a sudden a Code S zerg player. This is an insult to players like Nestea to even put Stephano in the same category. No doubt hes good but hes being way overhyped because of this win. Lets see how he does in Orlando. I would bet actual money that Stephano doesnt make top 4 and probably not even top 8. Would be lucky to break top 16 and thats not an insult to him at all.
Yes he did.
Before this weekend, doubters and nay-sayers were like "Dude, he's an online hero, let's see how he does in IPL3". And now we have to wait and see how he does in Orlando? Hang on, I spy a pattern.
The truth is there's no fucking way to tell just how good Stephano is at the moment. Sick good is the closest you can get but what that's worth in some hypethetical power ranking is impossible to say. Even less so where he'll be some months from now.
Of course he's hyped and over-hyped but he's earned every second of it.
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On October 11 2011 15:58 Gotmog wrote:
Saying that Stephano is Code S material is just....True.
Being code s, means you can compete with players from code S. Not that you can beat ALL of them.
Other then MVP/Nestea/DRG/Losira/....who are just miles ahead from the rest of the code s. Others are not that impressive that you can deny Stephano that right.
And while GSL remains the retarded tournament where you can't go to any other big tournaments in the world while you are taking it seriously...i don't want to make players have to go there to prove anything.
you can watch their play instead, and watch how they fare against top koreans who do come.
No lol being code S material means that you can qualify for code A by yourself then go to ro8 then
finish top 2 in an incredibly stacked group. Even DRG can't really be considered code S material since he entered the easy way and failed to deliver.
Thinking that Stephano is code S material is ridiculous because how the fuck would we know, NaNiwa, SaSe and ThorZain got crushed despite being able to beat koreans in GSTL or TSL (or MLG?)
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On October 11 2011 15:06 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Personally, I don't care what anybody says.
Stephano is Code S material like it or not. Get your heads out of your asses and accept the truth for what it is.
One-siding a code A player 4-0 that beat MMA 3-0 is saying something.
Not to mention he beat MMA 2-1 in the qualifiers and face stomped many others. If you want to say Stephano is not code S material then show some facts to prove it.
Even Koreans are saying that Stephano is ahead of Nestea (like it or not). I notice a lot of people try to make Koreans seem like Gods and that no foreigner will ever catch up to them because of their success on Brood War. Keep in mind, the Foreign SC scene started much later then the Korean scene so of course there was a huge skill gap in brood war. But, this isn't brood war; it's an entirely different game where foreigners are on the same level of the top Koreans.
If Stephano isn't code S material; please show me a list of players that would convincingly beat him with FACTS to prove it also don't mention MVP because I am sure that's the first and last person people will mention besides Nestea of course; who might I add was beaten by Dimaga in the super tournament when Nestea had a flawless ZvZ record. Code S is overrated and I'm sure those players could be beaten by foreigners.
I think this is the worst post I've ever read on this site. Stephano ahead of Nestea? I want what you`re smoking.
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On October 11 2011 14:37 jyLee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 14:25 ChApFoU wrote:
Funny how Stephano's victory seems like a pain in the butt to some of you. I'm not saying he's going to fly to korea tomorrow and stomp the entire code S right away but fact is that no foreigner has ever accomplished what he has accomplished. His incredibly impressive run at IPL (from the qualifiers to the final victory) is so far unmatched. Huk??? His two consecutive tournament wins is more impressive. Stephano hasnt proven anything except that hes a good foreigner. He's not close to Code S level and the fact that you think he can compete at Code S level right now shows how retarded and biased you are. User was temp banned for this post.
Lol wow, "not close to code S level". WTF do you think Code S level is?
He'd be high end code s, obviously wtf. At the very least somewhere in the middle. But its not even a question if he's code S level.
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On October 11 2011 16:50 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 15:58 Gotmog wrote:
Saying that Stephano is Code S material is just....True.
Being code s, means you can compete with players from code S. Not that you can beat ALL of them.
Other then MVP/Nestea/DRG/Losira/....who are just miles ahead from the rest of the code s. Others are not that impressive that you can deny Stephano that right.
And while GSL remains the retarded tournament where you can't go to any other big tournaments in the world while you are taking it seriously...i don't want to make players have to go there to prove anything.
you can watch their play instead, and watch how they fare against top koreans who do come. No lol being code S material means that you can qualify for code A by yourself then go to ro8 then finish top 2 in an incredibly stacked group. Even DRG can't really be considered code S material since he entered the easy way and failed to deliver. Thinking that Stephano is code S material is ridiculous because how the fuck would we know, NaNiwa, SaSe and ThorZain got crushed despite being able to beat koreans in GSTL or TSL (or MLG?)
Ok, read jinro's post above, much easier.
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this is awesome, now he must go korea and then switch to poker and his life is guaranteed
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It's pretty fun to see mostly americans put down stephano's performance.
They love their koreans so much they lose all sense of objectivity, I suppose some of the above posters were correct and they have carreid over that notion that Koreans were untouchable from BW.
Well good thing Stephano, Jinro, Huk and the rest don't have the same mindset or they would not even bother trying....
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On October 11 2011 16:50 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 15:58 Gotmog wrote:
Saying that Stephano is Code S material is just....True.
Being code s, means you can compete with players from code S. Not that you can beat ALL of them.
Other then MVP/Nestea/DRG/Losira/....who are just miles ahead from the rest of the code s. Others are not that impressive that you can deny Stephano that right.
And while GSL remains the retarded tournament where you can't go to any other big tournaments in the world while you are taking it seriously...i don't want to make players have to go there to prove anything.
you can watch their play instead, and watch how they fare against top koreans who do come. No lol being code S material means that you can qualify for code A by yourself then go to ro8 then finish top 2 in an incredibly stacked group. Even DRG can't really be considered code S material since he entered the easy way and failed to deliver. Thinking that Stephano is code S material is ridiculous because how the fuck would we know, NaNiwa, SaSe and ThorZain got crushed despite being able to beat koreans in GSTL or TSL (or MLG?)
Well you should write the GSL a letter because they don't know what Code S means and they need you to straighten it out for them.
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well played Stephano!
I was away, but i ll try to watch as much of his games from vods that i can get. Will there be reps by chance?
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