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If you don't know how to post in a live report thread by now, be advised: don't whine about game balance and don't bash players/casters/interviewers/staff/other posters. We are monitoring this thread closely.

Stop with the USA USA chant shit. Further offenses beyond page 493 will be met with bans. You've been warned.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
October 09 2011 17:05 GMT
#4041
Ret way up in drones, go Ret!
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
October 09 2011 17:05 GMT
#4042
On October 10 2011 02:02 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 02:00 Raisauce wrote:
Coin flip match up is coin flip


Just because Ret was very greedy and had a BO loss doesn't make it a coinflip match-up...

If a protoss went Nexus Nexus gate and lost to early marine pressure would you call it a coinflip?

Hell ZvZ is almost the least coinflippy match-up because both players can see most of the map and it is the match-up with by far the easiest scouting available.

Honestly, the people who say ZvZ is coinflip are either A) People who aren't Zerg. or B) People who aren't very good at ZvZ.


u sure you havent played TvT, scan is rather good for scouting...its a very straightforward macro matchup atm, ZvZ you can straight up die like that very early on like that
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
October 09 2011 17:05 GMT
#4043
On October 10 2011 02:04 babo213 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 02:04 Artok wrote:
On October 10 2011 02:02 babo213 wrote:
On October 10 2011 02:01 StyLeD wrote:
On October 10 2011 02:00 babo213 wrote:
On October 10 2011 02:00 Raisauce wrote:
Coin flip match up is coin flip

ZvZ is nowhere near a coin flip match


ZvZ is coinflip genius.


No it's not.
If you want to play super greedy then sure it can be

15 hatch beats 14 pool, 14 pool beats 10 pool, 10 pool beats 15 hatch, i guess its more like rock-paper-scissors than coinflip


14 pool can beat 15 hatch
15 hatch can beat 10 pool as well

it's all dependent on skill level

which is pretty similar at quarter finals you know... so no, bo wins are pretty often
Chun-li since ST
Provocateur
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1665 Posts
October 09 2011 17:05 GMT
#4044
On October 10 2011 02:04 leungwk01 wrote:
Artosis and his curse :/ it's too strong.
Only curse stronger is mr chai's but only if there's a huge underdog.

Blizzard needs to nerf the Curse of Artosis next patch for sure, breaking the game. T_T
babo213
Profile Joined January 2011
United States266 Posts
October 09 2011 17:05 GMT
#4045
On October 10 2011 02:04 StyLeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 02:02 babo213 wrote:
On October 10 2011 02:01 StyLeD wrote:
On October 10 2011 02:00 babo213 wrote:
On October 10 2011 02:00 Raisauce wrote:
Coin flip match up is coin flip

ZvZ is nowhere near a coin flip match


ZvZ is coinflip genius.


No it's not.
If you want to play super greedy then sure it can be


Yeah it is. Don't just wrap your ass around RetvZ. This is ZvZ in general.

I could go on forever.


What are you talking about?
Paperplane
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands1823 Posts
October 09 2011 17:05 GMT
#4046
Ret, the king of drones!
Rinny
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States616 Posts
October 09 2011 17:05 GMT
#4047
Ret is saccing a little bit of econ to go for ling pressure. He forces a spines at luckys batural. Both players throw down bling nests. Ret being a little greedy and spending a production cycle on drones instead of units.
Where my swarm at? Ye Yeee
jazzyjazz
Profile Joined October 2010
941 Posts
October 09 2011 17:05 GMT
#4048
ret with the drones!!!! gotta watch out for the banelings though!
Eat emmmmmmmmmm
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 09 2011 17:06 GMT
#4049
Wait, HD/PU is really casting the Semis/Final? T_______________T
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
October 09 2011 17:06 GMT
#4050
Anyone know prize pool? OP doesn't have that info posted.
말크 : ^_^~ NeO)GabuAt, vGODieN
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
October 09 2011 17:06 GMT
#4051
On October 10 2011 02:03 Adreme wrote:
Bah lucky has gotten the right call on coin flip twice in a row.


Not really. Both were good meta-game guesses on his part.

Game 1: He knows Ret is a greedy macro player from watching his games. That Ret would greed on a map like Tal Darim is pretty likely -> 10 pool.

Game 2: He knows that Ret won't likely play greedy again, after losing to his 10 pool in the first game -> hatch first.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
October 09 2011 17:06 GMT
#4052
What's weird about going harch first that you always have less drones lol, so 14/14 pretty much always mean better eco lol
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Apom
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
France656 Posts
October 09 2011 17:06 GMT
#4053
On October 10 2011 02:01 Flanq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 01:59 JWD wrote:
On October 10 2011 01:57 Ises wrote:
On October 10 2011 01:56 JWD wrote:
On October 10 2011 01:55 blae000 wrote:
On October 10 2011 01:51 Plexa wrote:
On October 10 2011 01:50 Caesarion wrote:
On October 10 2011 01:49 Grettin wrote:
Also:

djWHEAT djWHEAT
Casting with @dApollo1337 at 2PM EDT with Puma/MMA, StC/IdrA, Stephano/Inori, and more! #IPL3


Great news. They're by far my favorite combo.

Oh god.. does this imply that HD/Pain will finish off the tournament =[


Eh, it does.. :/ Would MUCH MORE prefere dApollo and Wheat to cast the finals.. The play-by-play, analyzing, knowlegde is just waaaay higher.. But it's ok I guess, have learned to not hate HD/PU this weekend..

I agree, I really like dApollo and Wheat. even though dApollo's game knowledge is probably weaker than PainUser's, dApollo has a really nice way of talking strategy that makes him enjoyable to listen to.


Apollos game knowledge is weaker than Painuser? In what dimension???

What I'm talking about is that PU is a much more accomplished SC2 progamer...but maybe you're right that they both have excellent understanding of the game.

He really isn't though, PU is a masters terran player, apollo is a masters random player, who prides himself on filling up notepads with info about every single player and each of their match ups and their subtle nuances.

Yeah, PainUser is a good Terran player, but Apollo is probably the best analytic caster there is (I'll concede a tie with Artosis - not Day9, who is even greater at analysis, but needs to stop saying "oh no" all the time over Husky/Wheat to reach that level of greatness in casting).
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
October 09 2011 17:06 GMT
#4054
On October 10 2011 02:03 Acrofales wrote:
Lol... now Ret once again at the wrong side of a B.O :S

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Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
greatZERG
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia755 Posts
October 09 2011 17:06 GMT
#4055
On October 10 2011 02:05 JWD wrote:
I'm pretty sure a majority of BW fans viewed ZvZ as essentially a conflip matchup until Jaedong started winning 90% of his games while doing crazy shit like defending hatch first vs. 9-pool with sick drone micro.


ZvZ in SC2 is nowhere near as much of a coinflip as it was mid-bw, no idea why people are complaining.
stu >)
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
October 09 2011 17:06 GMT
#4056
On October 10 2011 02:04 ticktack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 02:03 wklbishop wrote:
Wow, that explains the extractor trick usage... I really had no idea.

I wasn't paying much attention. what did they say about it?


You get an extra early drone to help defend against when the 6/7 pool hits for that tiny timing.
Gameplay > Personality
euroboy
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden536 Posts
October 09 2011 17:06 GMT
#4057
Lucky got himself supply blocked at 28/28, less drones indeed
vincom2
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore1775 Posts
October 09 2011 17:06 GMT
#4058
On October 10 2011 02:05 JWD wrote:
I'm pretty sure a majority of BW fans viewed ZvZ as essentially a conflip matchup until Jaedong started winning 90% of his games while doing crazy shit like defending hatch first vs. 9-pool with sick drone micro.

Anomaly, doesn't count
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
October 09 2011 17:06 GMT
#4059
On October 10 2011 02:05 Nivity wrote:
lol zvz is a coinflip match, nestea must have some godly coin then.

And stephano...and nerchio...and dimaga...
yeah its not a coinflip imo
♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞
vincom2
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore1775 Posts
October 09 2011 17:06 GMT
#4060
WHEW RET
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