On October 08 2011 06:06 Antithesis wrote:
Wait, was the whole tournament play today delayed until now? Just came back, so I didn't miss anything so far?

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You only missed Thorzain - Select indeed

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

October 07 2011 21:07 GMT

#5226

On October 08 2011 06:06 Drazerk wrote:

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6:20

Sleep is attacking the forge of hero

7:00

Forge goes down but probes block the lings and force them out with a zealot's help

ceaRshaf

Romania4926 Posts

October 07 2011 21:07 GMT

#5227

HerO looks awesome.

khanofmongols

542 Posts

October 07 2011 21:07 GMT

#5228

wtf was sleep thinking there with all those lings?

Probe1

United States17920 Posts

October 07 2011 21:07 GMT

#5229

Please PM if you know what map G1 of HerO v Sleep was played on.

Azarkon

United States21060 Posts

October 07 2011 21:07 GMT

#5230

On October 08 2011 06:01 tree.hugger wrote:

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On October 08 2011 05:56 mTw|NarutO wrote:

On October 08 2011 05:53 tree.hugger wrote:

On October 08 2011 05:49 mTw|NarutO wrote:

On October 08 2011 05:47 tree.hugger wrote:
Let's correct some mis-information okay?

SeleCT is on the same level as ThorZaIN (better micro, worse macro), but I think it's been months since SeleCT practiced on the NA server. It's a stretch to call him an NA player. QXC got much better with his stay in KR, and even his time in EU. More of an NA player but still a stretch. MajOr is good, but super predictable and now he's in KR, so he's not really an NA terran either.

Regarding zergs, saying IdrA is as good as EU zergs is hilarious, I count at least five better zergs than IdrA (Stephano, Nerchio, Ret, MorroW and DIMAGA in that order) from Europe, and one (Sheth) from NA.

I disagree about the Zergs. I cannot say IdrA is WORSE or better than them, but I think it really depends on his daily play. Sometimes he's outstanding, sometimes insanely 'weak' or disappointing. Same for DIMAGA for example.

That's a fair point, DIMAGA is extremely inconsistent and terrible against certain styles. But I'd say that the first three (Stephano, Nerchio, Ret) are better than IdrA all the time, and that MorroW, Sheth, and DIMAGA usually are.

I don't know and I don't want to discuss as I think its really hard to seperate players in Starcraft 2 from each other. No one is outstanding or super constant and a game or series is easily lost. Ret for example is beastly .. but thats because he's super greedy. If he gets punished, he dies. If he doesn't, he wins.

So... all the players you named are very good and very close in skill, but all of them have their highs and downs. As I said I think its very hard to seperate all of them into different skill levels as IdrA did show amazing games vs PuMa or single series at MLG while he also did show terrible play in some other situations.

It really depends on the matchup, match, series etc... Overall that player discussion really is not doing anyone any good.

I think that used to be the case for Ret, but he's gotten much much cleverer and better at reading his opponent. I can't really tell Stephano, Nerchio, and Ret apart, and they all have different styles, it's quite neat. They're probably the top three foreigners at the moment actually.

Nothing I saw from IdrA demonstrated to me that he's solved some of the most fundamental mistakes that I think he makes with his play. He's definitely better than he was last month though. And he didn't leave some games as early as he used to, but I don't think that's improvement, per se.

IdrA in IEM Guangzhou demonstrated to me that he solved quite a few of his personal issues. Yes, he lost in a stupid manner against Elfi, but he fixed that for the finals - and that shows a huge amount of progress for someone like IdrA who used to play very mechanically and blames balance whenever that fails.

Course, it remains to be seen whether that carries over to IPL.

KillerSOS

United States4207 Posts

October 07 2011 21:07 GMT

#5231

That was just sad.... I hate watching zerg lose

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

October 07 2011 21:07 GMT

#5232

On October 08 2011 06:07 Drazerk wrote:

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7:00

Forge goes down but probes block the lings and force them out with a zealot's help

7:50

Stargate and the natural's gas for hero along with +1

sleep finishing his lair and knocking down the gold rocks

vincom2

Singapore1775 Posts

October 07 2011 21:07 GMT

#5233

Special tactics coming up!

jazzyjazz

941 Posts

October 07 2011 21:08 GMT

#5234

did the previous games of group c get skipped?

KillerSOS

United States4207 Posts

October 07 2011 21:08 GMT

#5235

I have to admit though... Sleep way overplayed that

DoomsVille

Canada4885 Posts

October 07 2011 21:08 GMT

#5236

On October 08 2011 06:06 Antithesis wrote:
Wait, was the whole tournament play today delayed until now? Just came back, so I didn't miss anything so far?

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Lol... all you've missed is SeleCT vs. ThorZain... you lucky bastard. Some of us have been sitting here for 6 hours lol

RockStarCrft

Turkey470 Posts

October 07 2011 21:08 GMT

#5237

Come on LiquidHERO, i believe in you!

Artisane

United States134 Posts

October 07 2011 21:08 GMT

#5238

So, what's with the schedule.. are they shifting matches around?

Goshdarnit

United States540 Posts

October 07 2011 21:08 GMT

#5239

On October 08 2011 06:04 LetoAtreides82 wrote:

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Why focus on zvz?

I focused on zvz, because they are all z and people seemed to be saying that certain players are better than others, I being a fan of dimaga pointed out that even if people are saying that he is worse than other players he could still beat all of those players if he played against the directly.

Ranti

Poland24 Posts

October 07 2011 21:08 GMT

#5240

I wonder if someone recorded huk vs boxer in bw because i missed it. If so plx link.