ESWC 2011 Grand Finals - Page 174

On October 23 2011 01:03 Jyvblamo wrote:

Whoa, just woke up. These are some whacky results.

On October 23 2011 01:21 marcesr wrote:
Besides interviews I have seen no footage of the event at all.
Whats wrong with this? I thought this would be a huge event? Will at least the finals include some player footage? Im a bit disappointed.

On October 23 2011 01:09 red4ce wrote:
Damn, I've missed nearly the entire tournament. Oh well at least I'll get to watch the conclusion. Stephano should beat MKP without too much trouble. Top zergs shouldn't lose to terrans these days as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark. Mana vs Grubby is intriguing, but PvP is still PvP. Winner of that has a better chance against Stephano than MKP will, but ultimately the zerg should still win.

On October 23 2011 01:25 daxile wrote:

Besides LiveZerg beating IdrA (in a ZvZ) and MAYBE ClouD who is pretty underrated beating ThorZaIN 2-1, I think these results aren't that surprising at all.

Grubby beating Nerchio is not much of a surprise, Grubby destroyed Nerchio in one tournament recently, can't remember which and Grubby himself has made a ton of improvement to his game.

On October 23 2011 01:12 Chewbacca. wrote:


Top zergs shouldn't lost to top terrans?

On October 23 2011 01:27 wklbishop wrote:


Stephano has recently lost to theSTC and Boxer with the latter being quite a shock for everyone really.

And I have no idea what you meant by top zergs not losing to terrans... I mean, you can just look at recent GSL results and even with the terran killer DRG.

On October 23 2011 01:27 ThisGS wrote:


it was grubbys first win vs nerchio. but ye, he improved a lot and nerchio is better online, although he did very well in groupstages

On October 23 2011 01:28 red4ce wrote:


Nope. 80% of TvZ's end the same way these days. Once zerg has 4-6 bases going they are nearly unstoppable because they can remax their armies instantly. This forces terran to do their usual bunker rush/hellion harass/2-3 base marine/tank push. While the game itself can last 20+ minutes, the outcome is essentially decided by the success or failure of the Terran's first attack. Ever since barracks time was decreased and BFH nerf, early game Terran is no longer OP so zergs have gotten extremely good at defending whatever comes their way as long as they know what's coming. That's why I said "as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark." Of course if you're MVP then you can take on a zerg with pure macro, but that's MVP. We all know MKP isn't capable of pulling that off.

On October 23 2011 01:21 THM wrote:
Okay, TotalBiscuit said we could watch VODs from the 1st day.

Does anyone have an idea where they are, I searched the ESWC site and didn't find any?

On October 23 2011 01:28 red4ce wrote:


Nope. 80% of TvZ's end the same way these days. Once zerg has 4-6 bases going they are nearly unstoppable because they can remax their armies instantly. This forces terran to do their usual bunker rush/hellion harass/2-3 base marine/tank push. While the game itself can last 20+ minutes, the outcome is essentially decided by the success or failure of the Terran's first attack. Ever since barracks time was decreased and BFH nerf, early game Terran is no longer OP so zergs have gotten extremely good at defending whatever comes their way as long as they know what's coming. That's why I said "as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark." Of course if you're MVP then you can take on a zerg with pure macro, but that's MVP. We all know MKP isn't capable of pulling that off.

On October 23 2011 01:28 HappyChris wrote:


Noncence if that was the case there would be 20 Zergs in Code S and not 20 Terrans

On October 23 2011 01:32 Numy wrote:


Terrans do fine vs Zerg late game if they on decent eco since ghosts fair well against broods/infestors and mmm does decently well against ultras. The only time Terrans have a super hard time is when they already behind coming into late game.

On October 23 2011 01:27 ThisGS wrote:


it was grubbys first win vs nerchio. but ye, he improved a lot and nerchio is better online, although he did very well in groupstages

On October 23 2011 01:30 Otolia wrote:

You are mentally challenged, aren't you ?

There are numerous SC 2 portals covering the events and even more generic portals covering all the competitions.

On October 23 2011 01:28 HappyChris wrote:


Noncence if that was the case there would be 20 Zergs in Code S and not 20 Terrans

On October 23 2011 01:34 HappyChris wrote:


Dude, No need for insults. The fact of the matter is Im right. Its an international tournament but you dont even got english speaking commentators live at the event wtf??

You could basically have held this online but us as viewers gets to see nothing from the actually event.

On October 23 2011 01:32 Numy wrote:
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On October 23 2011 01:32 Numy wrote:


Terrans do fine vs Zerg late game if they on decent eco since ghosts fair well against broods/infestors and mmm does decently well against ultras. The only time Terrans have a super hard time is when they already behind coming into late game.