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marcesr
Profile Joined June 2008
Germany1383 Posts
October 22 2011 16:21 GMT
#3461
Besides interviews I have seen no footage of the event at all.
Whats wrong with this? I thought this would be a huge event? Will at least the finals include some player footage? Im a bit disappointed.
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1358 Posts
October 22 2011 16:21 GMT
#3462
so far the result between stephano and mkp wont be the most important but the games played, if its closed or not, one sieded or not, etc.
daxile
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada829 Posts
October 22 2011 16:25 GMT
#3463
On October 23 2011 01:03 Jyvblamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:00 Skillig wrote:
On October 23 2011 00:59 Yannosh wrote:
Where to see the final brackets?


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Electronic_Sports_World_Cup_2011/Main_Tournament

Whoa, just woke up. These are some whacky results.

Besides LiveZerg beating IdrA (in a ZvZ) and MAYBE ClouD who is pretty underrated beating ThorZaIN 2-1, I think these results aren't that surprising at all.

Grubby beating Nerchio is not much of a surprise, Grubby destroyed Nerchio in one tournament recently, can't remember which and Grubby himself has made a ton of improvement to his game.
to live is to suffer
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
October 22 2011 16:27 GMT
#3464
On October 23 2011 01:21 marcesr wrote:
Besides interviews I have seen no footage of the event at all.
Whats wrong with this? I thought this would be a huge event? Will at least the finals include some player footage? Im a bit disappointed.


Remember the tournament is in French and they seem to be living in there own world. There is pleanty of interviews etc but all in French.

They really need to start getting outside there own little bubble

wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
October 22 2011 16:27 GMT
#3465
On October 23 2011 01:09 red4ce wrote:
Damn, I've missed nearly the entire tournament. Oh well at least I'll get to watch the conclusion. Stephano should beat MKP without too much trouble. Top zergs shouldn't lose to terrans these days as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark. Mana vs Grubby is intriguing, but PvP is still PvP. Winner of that has a better chance against Stephano than MKP will, but ultimately the zerg should still win.


Stephano has recently lost to theSTC and Boxer with the latter being quite a shock for everyone really.

And I have no idea what you meant by top zergs not losing to terrans... I mean, you can just look at recent GSL results and even with the terran killer DRG.
Gameplay > Personality
ThisGS
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany255 Posts
October 22 2011 16:27 GMT
#3466
On October 23 2011 01:25 daxile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:03 Jyvblamo wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:00 Skillig wrote:
On October 23 2011 00:59 Yannosh wrote:
Where to see the final brackets?


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Electronic_Sports_World_Cup_2011/Main_Tournament

Whoa, just woke up. These are some whacky results.

Besides LiveZerg beating IdrA (in a ZvZ) and MAYBE ClouD who is pretty underrated beating ThorZaIN 2-1, I think these results aren't that surprising at all.

Grubby beating Nerchio is not much of a surprise, Grubby destroyed Nerchio in one tournament recently, can't remember which and Grubby himself has made a ton of improvement to his game.


it was grubbys first win vs nerchio. but ye, he improved a lot and nerchio is better online, although he did very well in groupstages
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 16:29:36
October 22 2011 16:28 GMT
#3467
On October 23 2011 01:12 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:09 red4ce wrote:
Damn, I've missed nearly the entire tournament. Oh well at least I'll get to watch the conclusion. Stephano should beat MKP without too much trouble. Top zergs shouldn't lose to terrans these days as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark. Mana vs Grubby is intriguing, but PvP is still PvP. Winner of that has a better chance against Stephano than MKP will, but ultimately the zerg should still win.


Top zergs shouldn't lost to top terrans?


Nope. 80% of TvZ's end the same way these days. Once zerg has 4-6 bases going they are nearly unstoppable because they can remax their armies instantly. This forces terran to do their usual bunker rush/hellion harass/2-3 base marine/tank push. While the game itself can last 20+ minutes, the outcome is essentially decided by the success or failure of the Terran's first attack. Ever since barracks time was decreased and BFH nerf, early game Terran is no longer OP so zergs have gotten extremely good at defending whatever comes their way as long as they know what's coming. That's why I said "as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark." Of course if you're MVP then you can take on a zerg with pure macro, but that's MVP. We all know MKP isn't capable of pulling that off.


On October 23 2011 01:27 wklbishop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:09 red4ce wrote:
Damn, I've missed nearly the entire tournament. Oh well at least I'll get to watch the conclusion. Stephano should beat MKP without too much trouble. Top zergs shouldn't lose to terrans these days as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark. Mana vs Grubby is intriguing, but PvP is still PvP. Winner of that has a better chance against Stephano than MKP will, but ultimately the zerg should still win.


Stephano has recently lost to theSTC and Boxer with the latter being quite a shock for everyone really.

And I have no idea what you meant by top zergs not losing to terrans... I mean, you can just look at recent GSL results and even with the terran killer DRG.


Again, notice I said "as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark." TheSTC and Boxer's wins against zergs were all thanks to their early game shenanigans.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
October 22 2011 16:28 GMT
#3468
On October 23 2011 01:27 ThisGS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:25 daxile wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:03 Jyvblamo wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:00 Skillig wrote:
On October 23 2011 00:59 Yannosh wrote:
Where to see the final brackets?


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Electronic_Sports_World_Cup_2011/Main_Tournament

Whoa, just woke up. These are some whacky results.

Besides LiveZerg beating IdrA (in a ZvZ) and MAYBE ClouD who is pretty underrated beating ThorZaIN 2-1, I think these results aren't that surprising at all.

Grubby beating Nerchio is not much of a surprise, Grubby destroyed Nerchio in one tournament recently, can't remember which and Grubby himself has made a ton of improvement to his game.


it was grubbys first win vs nerchio. but ye, he improved a lot and nerchio is better online, although he did very well in groupstages


2nd win vs Nerchio
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
October 22 2011 16:28 GMT
#3469
On October 23 2011 01:28 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:12 Chewbacca. wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:09 red4ce wrote:
Damn, I've missed nearly the entire tournament. Oh well at least I'll get to watch the conclusion. Stephano should beat MKP without too much trouble. Top zergs shouldn't lose to terrans these days as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark. Mana vs Grubby is intriguing, but PvP is still PvP. Winner of that has a better chance against Stephano than MKP will, but ultimately the zerg should still win.


Top zergs shouldn't lost to top terrans?


Nope. 80% of TvZ's end the same way these days. Once zerg has 4-6 bases going they are nearly unstoppable because they can remax their armies instantly. This forces terran to do their usual bunker rush/hellion harass/2-3 base marine/tank push. While the game itself can last 20+ minutes, the outcome is essentially decided by the success or failure of the Terran's first attack. Ever since barracks time was decreased and BFH nerf, early game Terran is no longer OP so zergs have gotten extremely good at defending whatever comes their way as long as they know what's coming. That's why I said "as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark." Of course if you're MVP then you can take on a zerg with pure macro, but that's MVP. We all know MKP isn't capable of pulling that off.


Noncence if that was the case there would be 20 Zergs in Code S and not 20 Terrans
Bagljash
Profile Joined April 2011
Serbia10 Posts
October 22 2011 16:29 GMT
#3470
On October 23 2011 01:21 THM wrote:
Okay, TotalBiscuit said we could watch VODs from the 1st day.

Does anyone have an idea where they are, I searched the ESWC site and didn't find any?


From his twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/Totalbiscuit/status/127777304578498560
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
October 22 2011 16:30 GMT
#3471
On October 23 2011 01:27 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:21 marcesr wrote:
Besides interviews I have seen no footage of the event at all.
Whats wrong with this? I thought this would be a huge event? Will at least the finals include some player footage? Im a bit disappointed.


Remember the tournament is in French and they seem to be living in there own world. There is pleanty of interviews etc but all in French.

They really need to start getting outside there own little bubble


You are mentally challenged, aren't you ?

There are numerous SC 2 portals covering the events and even more generic portals covering all the competitions.
gullberg
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden1301 Posts
October 22 2011 16:31 GMT
#3472
This tourny spectator wise is such a huge failure imo >.<
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 22 2011 16:32 GMT
#3473
On October 23 2011 01:28 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:12 Chewbacca. wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:09 red4ce wrote:
Damn, I've missed nearly the entire tournament. Oh well at least I'll get to watch the conclusion. Stephano should beat MKP without too much trouble. Top zergs shouldn't lose to terrans these days as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark. Mana vs Grubby is intriguing, but PvP is still PvP. Winner of that has a better chance against Stephano than MKP will, but ultimately the zerg should still win.


Top zergs shouldn't lost to top terrans?


Nope. 80% of TvZ's end the same way these days. Once zerg has 4-6 bases going they are nearly unstoppable because they can remax their armies instantly. This forces terran to do their usual bunker rush/hellion harass/2-3 base marine/tank push. While the game itself can last 20+ minutes, the outcome is essentially decided by the success or failure of the Terran's first attack. Ever since barracks time was decreased and BFH nerf, early game Terran is no longer OP so zergs have gotten extremely good at defending whatever comes their way as long as they know what's coming. That's why I said "as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark." Of course if you're MVP then you can take on a zerg with pure macro, but that's MVP. We all know MKP isn't capable of pulling that off.


Terrans do fine vs Zerg late game if they on decent eco since ghosts fair well against broods/infestors and mmm does decently well against ultras. The only time Terrans have a super hard time is when they already behind coming into late game.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 16:36:33
October 22 2011 16:32 GMT
#3474
On October 23 2011 01:28 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:28 red4ce wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:12 Chewbacca. wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:09 red4ce wrote:
Damn, I've missed nearly the entire tournament. Oh well at least I'll get to watch the conclusion. Stephano should beat MKP without too much trouble. Top zergs shouldn't lose to terrans these days as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark. Mana vs Grubby is intriguing, but PvP is still PvP. Winner of that has a better chance against Stephano than MKP will, but ultimately the zerg should still win.


Top zergs shouldn't lost to top terrans?


Nope. 80% of TvZ's end the same way these days. Once zerg has 4-6 bases going they are nearly unstoppable because they can remax their armies instantly. This forces terran to do their usual bunker rush/hellion harass/2-3 base marine/tank push. While the game itself can last 20+ minutes, the outcome is essentially decided by the success or failure of the Terran's first attack. Ever since barracks time was decreased and BFH nerf, early game Terran is no longer OP so zergs have gotten extremely good at defending whatever comes their way as long as they know what's coming. That's why I said "as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark." Of course if you're MVP then you can take on a zerg with pure macro, but that's MVP. We all know MKP isn't capable of pulling that off.


Noncence if that was the case there would be 20 Zergs in Code S and not 20 Terrans


The patch hit well after code S had already started. Anticipate zergs advancing much farther into code S next season.

On October 23 2011 01:32 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:28 red4ce wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:12 Chewbacca. wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:09 red4ce wrote:
Damn, I've missed nearly the entire tournament. Oh well at least I'll get to watch the conclusion. Stephano should beat MKP without too much trouble. Top zergs shouldn't lose to terrans these days as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark. Mana vs Grubby is intriguing, but PvP is still PvP. Winner of that has a better chance against Stephano than MKP will, but ultimately the zerg should still win.


Top zergs shouldn't lost to top terrans?


Nope. 80% of TvZ's end the same way these days. Once zerg has 4-6 bases going they are nearly unstoppable because they can remax their armies instantly. This forces terran to do their usual bunker rush/hellion harass/2-3 base marine/tank push. While the game itself can last 20+ minutes, the outcome is essentially decided by the success or failure of the Terran's first attack. Ever since barracks time was decreased and BFH nerf, early game Terran is no longer OP so zergs have gotten extremely good at defending whatever comes their way as long as they know what's coming. That's why I said "as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark." Of course if you're MVP then you can take on a zerg with pure macro, but that's MVP. We all know MKP isn't capable of pulling that off.


Terrans do fine vs Zerg late game if they on decent eco since ghosts fair well against broods/infestors and mmm does decently well against ultras. The only time Terrans have a super hard time is when they already behind coming into late game.


Yes ghosts are amazing against late game zerg. If you can get to them. This is the conundrum of TvZ. Do you try to mass a strong early-mid game army and break the zerg before he gets his macro going, or do you invest in economy and tech hoping to get to ghosts before ling-bling-muta-infestor runs you over. Transitioning into ghosts 'normally' is difficult because terran is usually spending all their money replenishing the marines and tanks they keep losing.
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
October 22 2011 16:34 GMT
#3475
On October 23 2011 01:27 ThisGS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:25 daxile wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:03 Jyvblamo wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:00 Skillig wrote:
On October 23 2011 00:59 Yannosh wrote:
Where to see the final brackets?


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Electronic_Sports_World_Cup_2011/Main_Tournament

Whoa, just woke up. These are some whacky results.

Besides LiveZerg beating IdrA (in a ZvZ) and MAYBE ClouD who is pretty underrated beating ThorZaIN 2-1, I think these results aren't that surprising at all.

Grubby beating Nerchio is not much of a surprise, Grubby destroyed Nerchio in one tournament recently, can't remember which and Grubby himself has made a ton of improvement to his game.


it was grubbys first win vs nerchio. but ye, he improved a lot and nerchio is better online, although he did very well in groupstages

no it wasn't
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HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
October 22 2011 16:34 GMT
#3476
On October 23 2011 01:30 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:27 HappyChris wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:21 marcesr wrote:
Besides interviews I have seen no footage of the event at all.
Whats wrong with this? I thought this would be a huge event? Will at least the finals include some player footage? Im a bit disappointed.


Remember the tournament is in French and they seem to be living in there own world. There is pleanty of interviews etc but all in French.

They really need to start getting outside there own little bubble


You are mentally challenged, aren't you ?

There are numerous SC 2 portals covering the events and even more generic portals covering all the competitions.


Dude, No need for insults. The fact of the matter is Im right. Its an international tournament but you dont even got english speaking commentators live at the event wtf??

You could basically have held this online but us as viewers gets to see nothing from the actually event.

bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
October 22 2011 16:35 GMT
#3477
On October 23 2011 01:28 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:28 red4ce wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:12 Chewbacca. wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:09 red4ce wrote:
Damn, I've missed nearly the entire tournament. Oh well at least I'll get to watch the conclusion. Stephano should beat MKP without too much trouble. Top zergs shouldn't lose to terrans these days as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark. Mana vs Grubby is intriguing, but PvP is still PvP. Winner of that has a better chance against Stephano than MKP will, but ultimately the zerg should still win.


Top zergs shouldn't lost to top terrans?


Nope. 80% of TvZ's end the same way these days. Once zerg has 4-6 bases going they are nearly unstoppable because they can remax their armies instantly. This forces terran to do their usual bunker rush/hellion harass/2-3 base marine/tank push. While the game itself can last 20+ minutes, the outcome is essentially decided by the success or failure of the Terran's first attack. Ever since barracks time was decreased and BFH nerf, early game Terran is no longer OP so zergs have gotten extremely good at defending whatever comes their way as long as they know what's coming. That's why I said "as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark." Of course if you're MVP then you can take on a zerg with pure macro, but that's MVP. We all know MKP isn't capable of pulling that off.


Noncence if that was the case there would be 20 Zergs in Code S and not 20 Terrans

no he pretty much sumed up zvt, thats why you see many terrans doing 2base timings
Stork[gm]
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
October 22 2011 16:38 GMT
#3478
On October 23 2011 01:34 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:30 Otolia wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:27 HappyChris wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:21 marcesr wrote:
Besides interviews I have seen no footage of the event at all.
Whats wrong with this? I thought this would be a huge event? Will at least the finals include some player footage? Im a bit disappointed.


Remember the tournament is in French and they seem to be living in there own world. There is pleanty of interviews etc but all in French.

They really need to start getting outside there own little bubble


You are mentally challenged, aren't you ?

There are numerous SC 2 portals covering the events and even more generic portals covering all the competitions.


Dude, No need for insults. The fact of the matter is Im right. Its an international tournament but you dont even got english speaking commentators live at the event wtf??

You could basically have held this online but us as viewers gets to see nothing from the actually event.


ESWC is a lot more than simply a tournament whereas MLG and IPL for example are just tournaments. Same with the likes of gamescom etc
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
Infenwe
Profile Joined September 2009
Denmark170 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 16:40:30
October 22 2011 16:40 GMT
#3479
On October 23 2011 01:32 Numy wrote:
[…] since ghosts fair well against […]

I'm just going to leave this here: 'fair' versus 'fare'.
close the world - txen eht nepo
humbre
Profile Joined August 2011
353 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 16:46:37
October 22 2011 16:41 GMT
#3480
On October 23 2011 01:32 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:28 red4ce wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:12 Chewbacca. wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:09 red4ce wrote:
Damn, I've missed nearly the entire tournament. Oh well at least I'll get to watch the conclusion. Stephano should beat MKP without too much trouble. Top zergs shouldn't lose to terrans these days as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark. Mana vs Grubby is intriguing, but PvP is still PvP. Winner of that has a better chance against Stephano than MKP will, but ultimately the zerg should still win.


Top zergs shouldn't lost to top terrans?


Nope. 80% of TvZ's end the same way these days. Once zerg has 4-6 bases going they are nearly unstoppable because they can remax their armies instantly. This forces terran to do their usual bunker rush/hellion harass/2-3 base marine/tank push. While the game itself can last 20+ minutes, the outcome is essentially decided by the success or failure of the Terran's first attack. Ever since barracks time was decreased and BFH nerf, early game Terran is no longer OP so zergs have gotten extremely good at defending whatever comes their way as long as they know what's coming. That's why I said "as long as the game gets past the 10 minute mark." Of course if you're MVP then you can take on a zerg with pure macro, but that's MVP. We all know MKP isn't capable of pulling that off.


Terrans do fine vs Zerg late game if they on decent eco since ghosts fair well against broods/infestors and mmm does decently well against ultras. The only time Terrans have a super hard time is when they already behind coming into late game.


bomber is probably best macro terran on the world (it was funny to watch him outmacro every toss in worker production despite of them having chronoboost) but he still couldnt match with idras macro lategame, no matter how good you are zerg always has inherit macro advantage over you in passive game , thats why early harass is so important and if u fail you probably are going to lose later.
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