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On October 03 2011 16:26 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 16:24 MrCon wrote:
Can't believe how Puma went from the pride of terran to the shame of terrans aka 111 man in such a short time...
After nasl finals he was my hero, now I despise him. Because winning with a somewhat "imba" (please forgive me for saying this) build is bad thing. Duh He is not the only one and he shouldn't be. 'Abuse' something that gives you wins.
It is not(looking from a objective point of view) but it is(If you want to make more fans). Puma plays in a similar way brazil played in 94(ugly football) and even though we won the world cup there, we are more proud of 2002's national team. Hell I may say I even prefer 2006's team, even though we kind of lost in a ridiculous way to france.
The point is: Playing only to win might make you a lot of money, but it probably isn't going to get you a lot of fans.
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United States2400 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:29 BuddhaMonk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 16:27 Jehct wrote:
Why are people talking about balance when JYP built 3 (4?) immortals and 2 phoenix to deal with 1 banshee and two tanks? He had nothing to deal with marines, that was his fault. Puma put out an amazing amount of pressure and it's pretty understandable that JYP couldn't keep his composure. That doesn't mean it's imbalanced.
Edit: Seriously, he could have had 2 immortals and 1-2 colossus instead of the phoenix (and he would have won). You realize that Blizzard patched immortals specifically because they said 1-1-1 was imbalanced...
Jehct is right though. even 1 colossus would have made a huge difference. Stargate was the wrong choice
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United Kingdom38257 Posts
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I wanna see PuMa vs Elfi in the finals since Elfi said 1/1/1 was easy to defend.
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JYP super supply blocked @_@
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On October 03 2011 16:29 anrimayu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 16:24 MrCon wrote:
Can't believe how Puma went from the pride of terran to the shame of terrans aka 111 man in such a short time...
After nasl finals he was my hero, now I despise him. Didn't Puma 1-1-1'd MC out of the finals?
no there was no 1-1-1 at NASL he did at IEM or dreamhack in the finales though do 2 1-1-1's out of his 3 wins
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Haha this is actually brilliant psychological play XD
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On October 03 2011 16:32 Artok wrote:
why the hell is he expanding??
JYP is sitting back waiting for the 1-1-1 so he can take expansions uncontested
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That raven is going to prevent a lot of scouting from the protoss too.
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The best part is that the bunkers make it completely safe.
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On October 03 2011 16:32 Artok wrote:
why the hell is he expanding??
Because he's a great player?
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On October 03 2011 16:29 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 16:28 Daralii wrote:On October 03 2011 16:27 Montana[TK] wrote:
lol @ you guys
it's a game, you play to win. If 1-1-1 gave him the biggest win% and this is really his last hurdle to winning the tourney he'd be fucking stupid to not do it. Doesn't mean people have to like it, though. There shouldn't be a single build with a 90% winrate in any RTS, imho. Exactly, but it also doesn't mean that people need to cry or whine about it. And you are right, there shouldn't be a single build with a huge win rate, but now you should know who to blame instead the player who uses it.
When Terrans in GSL does 1-1-1, there's 200 posts of balance whines about how the protoss is a "better" player who got robbed. I don't see why people would feel any differently when Puma does it. It may be a good strat to win, but not a good one for popularity.
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On October 03 2011 16:29 Hierarch wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 16:27 Jehct wrote:
Why are people talking about balance when JYP built 3 (4?) immortals and 2 phoenix to deal with 1 banshee and two tanks? He had nothing to deal with marines, that was his fault. Puma put out an amazing amount of pressure and it's pretty understandable that JYP couldn't keep his composure. That doesn't mean it's imbalanced.
Edit: Seriously, he could have had 2 immortals and 1-2 colossus instead of the phoenix (and he would have won). If he doesn't make those initial immortals he dies to the initial 3 tanks, he didn't have the time or money for 1-2 collosus. The stargate was just desperation and when the game was already over
How much time/money do you think the third immortal, stargate and two phoenix take/cost? That's more than enough for at least one colossus (which is all he needed).
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Puma's build, faking the 1-1-1 into double expand, is actually quite mean 
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Classic goody scvs queued.
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I havent actually watched a Puma game since last IEM because it really is the same thing over and over. I remeber the first SC2 game of his a saw, he played a really good macro game vs a zerg and i thought that he was a terran that I might start to like some. Now he just cheeses in every game that I see and it is booooooring
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Can you 1gate core expo and get an obs out before cloak? Like maybe if you get the robo before the two additional gateways?
On October 03 2011 16:33 Alpino wrote:
Classic goody scvs queued.
Polt does this too, better than missing rounds of SCVs.
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Everyones giving different advice on how to hold 1/1/1, which just tells me that no on e actually knows how to hold it because we will never see it held in our lifetime.
/runonsentence
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hard supply blocks for both players
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On October 03 2011 16:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:JYP is sitting back waiting for the 1-1-1 so he can take expansions uncontested
meh, i think he could finish it faster with just a standard all-in ;/
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EPT
