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On September 28 2011 20:36 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
how is this great play by supernova??? its just a 1-1-1 just like those do to toss
Well it's not meant to work against Terran as well. Between 75 mineral turrets, point-and-click scans, stim, vikings, ravens, etc, Terran have a lot of ways to counter the banshee opener.
I can't help but feel Supernova wasn't doing that semi-all-in push until he realised Alive was struggling to deal with the banshees, let alone the army he'd built back home. But then again, if it was planned it was still well planned.
Btw: a good 1-1-1 still deserves respect. It just cops a lot of flak in TvP because theres an obvious skill differential in offence and defence. In a mirror match up, there's only better play than the opponent to point to.
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On September 28 2011 20:41 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 20:36 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
how is this great play by supernova??? its just a 1-1-1 just like those do to toss Well it's not meant to work against Terran as well. Between 75 mineral turrets, point-and-click scans, stim, vikings, ravens, etc, Terran have a lot of ways to counter the banshee opener. I can't help but feel Supernova wasn't doing that semi-all-in push until he realised Alive was struggling to deal with the banshees, let alone the army he'd built back home. But then again, if it was planned it was still well planned. Btw: a good 1-1-1 still deserves respect. It just cops a lot of flak in TvP because theres an obvious skill differential in offence and defence. In a mirror match up, there's only better play than the opponent to point to.
SC2 Turrets are 100minerals, it's not BW anymore 
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On September 28 2011 20:40 AxionSteel wrote:
How dare a terran make units out of a barracks, factory and starport. such cheesy 1/1/1 play :S:S:S:S:S:S:S
how dare they even build a factory? and techlab on starport is the biggest sin of all
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I think there's a lot more to the korean scene than we understand. All we get is the games and drama of GSL, basically, but the esports fans in Korea actually get to play the korean ladder, see who's at the top, who people fear, the drama that surfaces at community sites like PlayXP, etc. That's why we never knew there was a lot of hype behind aLive
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On September 28 2011 20:41 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 20:36 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
how is this great play by supernova??? its just a 1-1-1 just like those do to toss Well it's not meant to work against Terran as well. Between 75 mineral turrets, point-and-click scans, stim, vikings, ravens, etc, Terran have a lot of ways to counter the banshee opener. I can't help but feel Supernova wasn't doing that semi-all-in push until he realised Alive was struggling to deal with the banshees, let alone the army he'd built back home. But then again, if it was planned it was still well planned. Btw: a good 1-1-1 still deserves respect. It just cops a lot of flak in TvP because theres an obvious skill differential in offence and defence. In a mirror match up, there's only better play than the opponent to point to.
Banshee opener into expansion was pretty common in TvT a while back. If you do enough damage you can kill or easily equalise with a rax/expand or tank/expand.
With the first banshee Supernova did so much damage, 2 scans+several marines+engineering bay+2 turrets+some scvs.
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On September 28 2011 20:42 marttorn wrote:
I think there's a lot more to the korean scene than we understand. All we get is the games and drama of GSL, basically, but the esports fans in Korea actually get to play the korean ladder, see who's at the top, who people fear, the drama that surfaces at community sites like PlayXP, etc. That's why we never knew there was a lot of hype behind aLive
This hype ended after or before he lost to Darkforce?
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On September 28 2011 20:42 marttorn wrote:
I think there's a lot more to the korean scene than we understand. All we get is the games and drama of GSL, basically, but the esports fans in Korea actually get to play the korean ladder, see who's at the top, who people fear, the drama that surfaces at community sites like PlayXP, etc. That's why we never knew there was a lot of hype behind aLive
It's also why Sage got a free pass into Code A, and why Younghwa is the best protoss in the world, and why aLive was #1 on the KR ladder for a while and got tons of hype hype hype.
Oh wait...
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Game Three on belshir beach
In the top left is  supernova
While in the bottom right is  coca
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The Zerg voice will lead Coca to victory. 100 drone army!
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On September 28 2011 20:44 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 20:42 marttorn wrote:
I think there's a lot more to the korean scene than we understand. All we get is the games and drama of GSL, basically, but the esports fans in Korea actually get to play the korean ladder, see who's at the top, who people fear, the drama that surfaces at community sites like PlayXP, etc. That's why we never knew there was a lot of hype behind aLive It's also why Sage got a free pass into Code A, and why Younghwa is the best protoss in the world, and why aLive was #1 on the KR ladder for a while and got tons of hype hype hype. Oh wait...
What? You're referring to some of the stuff artosis has said, i'm assuming. All I'm saying is that we are more ignorant of all the rumors and drama of the korean scene than we think.
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On September 28 2011 20:46 Drazerk wrote:Game Three on belshir beach In the top left is supernova While in the bottom right is coca
1:40
Barracks on the way for supernova
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On September 28 2011 20:46 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 20:46 Drazerk wrote:Game Three on belshir beach In the top left is supernova While in the bottom right is coca 1:40Barracks on the way for supernova
2:10
Gas on the way for supernova
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On September 28 2011 20:44 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 20:42 marttorn wrote:
I think there's a lot more to the korean scene than we understand. All we get is the games and drama of GSL, basically, but the esports fans in Korea actually get to play the korean ladder, see who's at the top, who people fear, the drama that surfaces at community sites like PlayXP, etc. That's why we never knew there was a lot of hype behind aLive It's also why Sage got a free pass into Code A, and why Younghwa is the best protoss in the world, and why aLive was #1 on the KR ladder for a while and got tons of hype hype hype. Oh wait...
Stop saying Sage got a free pass into code A, some people are already believing it's true tt :D
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On September 28 2011 20:44 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 20:42 marttorn wrote:
I think there's a lot more to the korean scene than we understand. All we get is the games and drama of GSL, basically, but the esports fans in Korea actually get to play the korean ladder, see who's at the top, who people fear, the drama that surfaces at community sites like PlayXP, etc. That's why we never knew there was a lot of hype behind aLive It's also why Sage got a free pass into Code A, and why Younghwa is the best protoss in the world, and why aLive was #1 on the KR ladder for a while and got tons of hype hype hype. Oh wait...
Yeah we need more people inside the korean scene....
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On September 28 2011 20:47 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 20:46 Drazerk wrote:On September 28 2011 20:46 Drazerk wrote:Game Three on belshir beach In the top left is supernova While in the bottom right is coca 1:40Barracks on the way for supernova 2:10Gas on the way for supernova
2:20
Hatch first for Coca
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On September 28 2011 20:47 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 20:47 Drazerk wrote:On September 28 2011 20:46 Drazerk wrote:On September 28 2011 20:46 Drazerk wrote:Game Three on belshir beach In the top left is supernova While in the bottom right is coca 1:40Barracks on the way for supernova 2:10Gas on the way for supernova 2:20Hatch first for Coca
3:10
Orbital for supernova
Pool for Coca
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It's the first TvZ on bel'shir 1.2, right ?
oops no nestea vs nada and one game in GSTL too.
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The only free pass Sage got was given by the people that played him in preliminaries. He's so damn good they were all push overs! :O
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On September 28 2011 20:46 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 20:44 Asha` wrote:On September 28 2011 20:42 marttorn wrote:
I think there's a lot more to the korean scene than we understand. All we get is the games and drama of GSL, basically, but the esports fans in Korea actually get to play the korean ladder, see who's at the top, who people fear, the drama that surfaces at community sites like PlayXP, etc. That's why we never knew there was a lot of hype behind aLive It's also why Sage got a free pass into Code A, and why Younghwa is the best protoss in the world, and why aLive was #1 on the KR ladder for a while and got tons of hype hype hype. Oh wait... What? You're referring to some of the stuff artosis has said, i'm assuming. All I'm saying is that we are more ignorant of all the rumors and drama of the korean scene than we think.
Player hype is just a flavor of the week. Look at asd. He was hyped as the best fou player like 5 months ago. Everyone forgot about him and was like ZOMG sC IS SOOOO GOOOOD and then asd came to code S. Then other players like Alive never really end up living up to the hype. In the end, it'll all be worked out. The good players will get into code S. The overhyped wont.
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On September 28 2011 20:47 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 20:47 Drazerk wrote:On September 28 2011 20:47 Drazerk wrote:On September 28 2011 20:46 Drazerk wrote:On September 28 2011 20:46 Drazerk wrote:Game Three on belshir beach In the top left is supernova While in the bottom right is coca 1:40Barracks on the way for supernova 2:10Gas on the way for supernova 2:20Hatch first for Coca 3:10Orbital for supernova Pool for Coca
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Factory on the way for supernova
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