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norterrible
Profile Joined October 2009
United States618 Posts
September 25 2011 03:41 GMT
#361
On September 25 2011 12:37 BuzZoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 12:32 norterrible wrote:
On September 25 2011 12:31 BuzZoo wrote:
On September 25 2011 12:30 norterrible wrote:
On September 25 2011 12:29 BuzZoo wrote:
On September 25 2011 12:27 norterrible wrote:
So I'm watching this and I notice ret has an overlord at both bases, and a ling out front. Basically granting perfect scouting information. What is protoss supposed to do to scout a zerg at this point in the game?


Don't exaggerate. You should be able to deny overlords seeing too much.


You didn't answer my question, and actually he shot at the overlords but they saw everything anyway.


Hallucinated phoenix. Easy.


When is the earliest you can get hallucination? Cause its way after a lot of zerg busts.


Protoss scouting is fine. Shhhhh.


Ok. I get it, you play zerg and think protoss is OP. I wasn't arguing imbalance or whining. I was asking a question. I realize Nightend isn't the best toss around so I was wondering what a better toss would do to scout. Theres a timing right around when you are throwing down your nexus that you don't have hallucinate or an obs, and speedlings are out. Is it just accepted that you need to wait until later to scout, or can you be sneaky with probes?? It's an honest question here and I really don't need your dismissive zerg sass.
kekeke
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
September 25 2011 03:45 GMT
#362
I'm not a pro, but I'm guessing a Protoss player could pressure as he expands, which would obviously scout the zerg as well as force them to make units.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
BuzZoo
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1468 Posts
September 25 2011 03:46 GMT
#363
On September 25 2011 12:41 norterrible wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 12:37 BuzZoo wrote:
On September 25 2011 12:32 norterrible wrote:
On September 25 2011 12:31 BuzZoo wrote:
On September 25 2011 12:30 norterrible wrote:
On September 25 2011 12:29 BuzZoo wrote:
On September 25 2011 12:27 norterrible wrote:
So I'm watching this and I notice ret has an overlord at both bases, and a ling out front. Basically granting perfect scouting information. What is protoss supposed to do to scout a zerg at this point in the game?


Don't exaggerate. You should be able to deny overlords seeing too much.


You didn't answer my question, and actually he shot at the overlords but they saw everything anyway.


Hallucinated phoenix. Easy.


When is the earliest you can get hallucination? Cause its way after a lot of zerg busts.


Protoss scouting is fine. Shhhhh.


Ok. I get it, you play zerg and think protoss is OP. I wasn't arguing imbalance or whining. I was asking a question. I realize Nightend isn't the best toss around so I was wondering what a better toss would do to scout. Theres a timing right around when you are throwing down your nexus that you don't have hallucinate or an obs, and speedlings are out. Is it just accepted that you need to wait until later to scout, or can you be sneaky with probes?? It's an honest question here and I really don't need your dismissive zerg sass.


No one said anything about Protoss being OP. There are various timings in the game where all 3 races can dominate map control and scouting info. When ling speed finishes vs toss, when hellions are out vs zerg, when muta are out vs terran or in zerg mirror. Just part of the game. IMO a better toss like Huk would have poked to know what the zerg was doing and at least broken even unit wise.
BuzZoo
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1468 Posts
September 25 2011 03:46 GMT
#364
On September 25 2011 12:45 McFeser wrote:
I'm not a pro, but I'm guessing a Protoss player could pressure as he expands, which would obviously scout the zerg as well as force them to make units.


Yeah this was what I thought too.
norterrible
Profile Joined October 2009
United States618 Posts
September 25 2011 03:48 GMT
#365
Thank you, that's all I was looking for.
kekeke
Ripper41
Profile Joined July 2011
284 Posts
September 25 2011 03:48 GMT
#366
On September 25 2011 12:41 norterrible wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 12:37 BuzZoo wrote:
On September 25 2011 12:32 norterrible wrote:
On September 25 2011 12:31 BuzZoo wrote:
On September 25 2011 12:30 norterrible wrote:
On September 25 2011 12:29 BuzZoo wrote:
On September 25 2011 12:27 norterrible wrote:
So I'm watching this and I notice ret has an overlord at both bases, and a ling out front. Basically granting perfect scouting information. What is protoss supposed to do to scout a zerg at this point in the game?


Don't exaggerate. You should be able to deny overlords seeing too much.


You didn't answer my question, and actually he shot at the overlords but they saw everything anyway.


Hallucinated phoenix. Easy.


When is the earliest you can get hallucination? Cause its way after a lot of zerg busts.


Protoss scouting is fine. Shhhhh.


Ok. I get it, you play zerg and think protoss is OP. I wasn't arguing imbalance or whining. I was asking a question. I realize Nightend isn't the best toss around so I was wondering what a better toss would do to scout. Theres a timing right around when you are throwing down your nexus that you don't have hallucinate or an obs, and speedlings are out. Is it just accepted that you need to wait until later to scout, or can you be sneaky with probes?? It's an honest question here and I really don't need your dismissive zerg sass.

Protoss will never have the map awareness that zerg has, it's just a weakness in the matchup. As far as early scouting with a probe goes, it's possible even on the professional level but in no way completely reliable.
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 03:50:13
September 25 2011 03:50 GMT
#367
nvm
SecondChance
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia603 Posts
September 25 2011 04:50 GMT
#368
On September 25 2011 12:27 hmunkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 12:24 chaopow wrote:
Just saw Inka vs Select results...wtf???

I'm guessing its because of Korean to NA lag, he'd absolutely destroy inka if there was no lag.

Yeah Fenix was saying earlier that he was getting 2-3 second delays on every action he made from KR.


2-3 seconds is such an exaggerated load of shit. The only way he could have a ping that high to NA (and I completely retract my criticism if this is true) from Korea is if there was some serious congestion / line issue / fault with his modem that is completely independent of location.



I see the want to in your eyes.
lbmaian
Profile Joined December 2010
United States689 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 05:46:38
September 25 2011 04:58 GMT
#369
According to TL, incontrol has the lowest ELO out of all EG players, even behind machine, strifeco, and lzgamer. But I think that's mostly due to incontrol still being in tournaments where he gets smashed all the time, while those other lower-tier EG guys are playing in single or double elim tourneys. If your skill is below the median in a tournament, group play like MLG or NASL just magnifies your number of losses (e.g. in a normal elimination tourney, the amount of losses you get is much more limited).

Still, I feel like incontrol should've followed painuser's footsteps and started casting full-time. I like his casting much more than his play.
Supdude
Profile Joined August 2011
244 Posts
September 25 2011 05:23 GMT
#370
Just watched the replayes... select vs inka 2nd game is awesome!
Supdude
Profile Joined August 2011
244 Posts
September 25 2011 05:30 GMT
#371
On September 25 2011 12:24 chaopow wrote:
Just saw Inka vs Select results...wtf???

I'm guessing its because of Korean to NA lag, he'd absolutely destroy inka if there was no lag.

Select is in US I thought? I didn't catch much lag while watching the game. Select's control was fine. Watch the game if you can. Inka played an almost perfect game...

I have to say most ppl, myself included, thought select would walk over inka. But hey, that's why they play the game
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
September 25 2011 05:34 GMT
#372
On September 25 2011 14:30 Supdude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 12:24 chaopow wrote:
Just saw Inka vs Select results...wtf???

I'm guessing its because of Korean to NA lag, he'd absolutely destroy inka if there was no lag.

Select is in US I thought? I didn't catch much lag while watching the game. Select's control was fine. Watch the game if you can. Inka played an almost perfect game...

I have to say most ppl, myself included, thought select would walk over inka. But hey, that's why they play the game

SeleCT is currently training in Korea alongside SjoW.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
September 25 2011 08:49 GMT
#373
On September 25 2011 13:58 lbmaian wrote:
According to TL, incontrol has the lowest ELO out of all EG players, even behind machine, strifeco, and lzgamer. But I think that's mostly due to incontrol still being in tournaments where he gets smashed all the time, while those other lower-tier EG guys are playing in single or double elim tourneys. If your skill is below the median in a tournament, group play like MLG or NASL just magnifies your number of losses (e.g. in a normal elimination tourney, the amount of losses you get is much more limited).

Still, I feel like incontrol should've followed painuser's footsteps and started casting full-time. I like his casting much more than his play.

Hahah, had to see it for myself to truly believe it.. 1961 is ridiculously low.
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
September 25 2011 09:52 GMT
#374
On September 25 2011 13:58 lbmaian wrote:
According to TL, incontrol has the lowest ELO out of all EG players, even behind machine, strifeco, and lzgamer. But I think that's mostly due to incontrol still being in tournaments where he gets smashed all the time, while those other lower-tier EG guys are playing in single or double elim tourneys. If your skill is below the median in a tournament, group play like MLG or NASL just magnifies your number of losses (e.g. in a normal elimination tourney, the amount of losses you get is much more limited).

Still, I feel like incontrol should've followed painuser's footsteps and started casting full-time. I like his casting much more than his play.


I agree here, and a EG captain function like in korean houses would suit him, still play some hours a day but more focus on it's other members. (maybe his gf already does that i supose)

Because let's be honest the team house training does not improve his play, even if it's not that long some improvement should have been visible, and they clearly are not.
You either go another way with this game, like casting and being suport, or you break everything down lay low and build it up slowly.

I am not hating on the guy but every time i see him at an MLG i think, this spot could have gone to some one more deserving.
PieLieDie
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden172 Posts
September 25 2011 09:57 GMT
#375
Incontrol must be exaggerating quite a lot on how much he plays per day, i've heard him saying 8-12 hours but that is just impossible. I mean he seems like a pretty smart guy so there is no way he is that bad playing so much.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 10:45:26
September 25 2011 10:17 GMT
#376
On September 25 2011 18:57 PieLieDie wrote:
Incontrol must be exaggerating quite a lot on how much he plays per day, i've heard him saying 8-12 hours but that is just impossible. I mean he seems like a pretty smart guy so there is no way he is that bad playing so much.

i think he says he spends that much time on sc. So that involves shows and reps and vods and all. I might be wrong
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
September 25 2011 10:34 GMT
#377
On September 25 2011 17:49 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 13:58 lbmaian wrote:
According to TL, incontrol has the lowest ELO out of all EG players, even behind machine, strifeco, and lzgamer. But I think that's mostly due to incontrol still being in tournaments where he gets smashed all the time, while those other lower-tier EG guys are playing in single or double elim tourneys. If your skill is below the median in a tournament, group play like MLG or NASL just magnifies your number of losses (e.g. in a normal elimination tourney, the amount of losses you get is much more limited).

Still, I feel like incontrol should've followed painuser's footsteps and started casting full-time. I like his casting much more than his play.

Hahah, had to see it for myself to truly believe it.. 1961 is ridiculously low.


Lower than actionjezus. Wow.
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
September 25 2011 11:37 GMT
#378
On September 25 2011 17:49 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 13:58 lbmaian wrote:
According to TL, incontrol has the lowest ELO out of all EG players, even behind machine, strifeco, and lzgamer. But I think that's mostly due to incontrol still being in tournaments where he gets smashed all the time, while those other lower-tier EG guys are playing in single or double elim tourneys. If your skill is below the median in a tournament, group play like MLG or NASL just magnifies your number of losses (e.g. in a normal elimination tourney, the amount of losses you get is much more limited).

Still, I feel like incontrol should've followed painuser's footsteps and started casting full-time. I like his casting much more than his play.

Hahah, had to see it for myself to truly believe it.. 1961 is ridiculously low.


Just had to check it to believe it. Wow that's low O_O. You have to go about 15pages down it's full of players i've never heard of.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
September 25 2011 11:43 GMT
#379
On September 25 2011 19:17 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 18:57 PieLieDie wrote:
Incontrol must be exaggerating quite a lot on how much he plays per day, i've heard him saying 8-12 hours but that is just impossible. I mean he seems like a pretty smart guy so there is no way he is that bad playing so much.

i think he says he spends that much time on sc. So that involves shows and reps and vods and all. I might be wrong


Remember he has to say he plays that much too. Whether he is or not. He can hardly say, yeah well i played 4hours today when his managers will be watching and wondering why they're paying him all this money and spent all the money on that teamhouse when he's not putting the effort in.

Not saying that's the case, i can't say i stalk his bnet profile to know when he's online and what he's doing. But i'm guessing he can't say anything but.

But if he his playing that much everyday, surely the time he's putting in has got to show something soon.
Deekin[
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia1713 Posts
September 25 2011 12:46 GMT
#380
Yeah iNcontroL should definitely go back to castng again or do something more productive than playing himself since he isnt doing well in the game. I wonder if he practises at all... Its pretty easy to improve on the game by just playing and especially when you have that great practise partners.
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