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icarly
Profile Joined August 2011
United States400 Posts
August 28 2011 03:42 GMT
#10501
On August 28 2011 12:40 tylermakesmusic wrote:
EG with 6 players in the Top 24. o_0



idra huk incontrol machine were given their spots from pool play.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 28 2011 03:42 GMT
#10502
On August 28 2011 12:37 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:34 jmbthirteen wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:29 Kamikazess wrote:
Well, it really doesn't make sense. They're both at 4-1, but Select with 8-2 and DRG with 8-3. So it couldn't be a tie. I think it's pretty silly the fact that individual matches doesn't make a difference. But it's the system...

It mmakes perfect sense. Both players are 4-1. Drg beat select. Drg gets first. Head to head matters more than individual games.


So its okay if you lose more than someone else so long as you've beaten him before?

So because select beat someone 2-0 and drg beat that guy 2-1, select should get the one seed even though drg beat him head to head? I'm sorry, but that's retarded.
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tylermakesmusic
Profile Joined April 2011
United States122 Posts
August 28 2011 03:42 GMT
#10503
On August 28 2011 12:41 Kamikazess wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:37 tylermakesmusic wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:29 Kamikazess wrote:
Well, it really doesn't make sense. They're both at 4-1, but Select with 8-2 and DRG with 8-3. So it couldn't be a tie. I think it's pretty silly the fact that individual matches doesn't make a difference. But it's the system...

How the hell doesn't it make sense? DRG beat Select. It's as simple as that. Why can't people grasp the concept of head to head victories?


It would make perfect sense if both players records' were exactly the same. If Select lost one individual match less than DRG, he should be ahead. But I already know that it's the way MLG works. I think it is wrong, but it's the way it is.


He didn't lose one less individual match. He lost one less game. One game does not equal one match.
omnia vincit amor: et nos cedamus amori.
KingPaddy
Profile Joined November 2010
1053 Posts
August 28 2011 03:43 GMT
#10504
On August 28 2011 12:41 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:40 KingPaddy wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:25 Ghoststrikes wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:24 Kamikazess wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:23 karis wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:22 Kamikazess wrote:
DRG' record is 8-3 and Select's 8-2, right? How is this a tie?


match record. + drg won head to head.


But Select has lost less games. So, he is ahead, not?


No. DRG beat him, as simple as that. It's like that in every sport.


In which sports is it that way? Not in any I follow at least..
Is it perhaps an NA vs EU-thing?


Was thinking and mentioned that earlier. For example in football it goes on goals scored and goals against first before head to head records in England. Which is kinda the same as games won/lost in SC2.

Yeah, and it works the same way in World Championship, ChampionsLeague etc- groupstages..
Devise
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1131 Posts
August 28 2011 03:43 GMT
#10505
On August 28 2011 12:41 Arcanne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:40 Devise wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:37 darkest44 wrote:
"DeMuslim finishes the night with six straight TvT wins. He takes the CLR2 series with TLO 2-0. See you all tomorrow!" whoot


I think it's 5 because the extended series was 2-1 to start, but still very good for him non the less, hopefully he can keep the momentum going tomorrow.


2-0 to start


Oh my mistake, I started following it part way through I guess they were the first to finish their match, so I just assumed the 2-1 I saw was from before.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 03:45:17
August 28 2011 03:44 GMT
#10506
On August 28 2011 12:42 icarly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:40 tylermakesmusic wrote:
EG with 6 players in the Top 24. o_0



idra huk incontrol machine were given their spots from pool play.

And they made the top 24.
wats0n
Profile Joined July 2011
United States509 Posts
August 28 2011 03:44 GMT
#10507
On August 28 2011 12:41 Kamikazess wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:37 tylermakesmusic wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:29 Kamikazess wrote:
Well, it really doesn't make sense. They're both at 4-1, but Select with 8-2 and DRG with 8-3. So it couldn't be a tie. I think it's pretty silly the fact that individual matches doesn't make a difference. But it's the system...

How the hell doesn't it make sense? DRG beat Select. It's as simple as that. Why can't people grasp the concept of head to head victories?


It would make perfect sense if both players records' were exactly the same. If Select lost one individual match less than DRG, he should be ahead. But I already know that it's the way MLG works. I think it is wrong, but it's the way it is.


The first tiebreaker is head to head. Considering you can lose a single map easily to the worst player in the pool it would be silly to make the first tiebreaker map results. It's correct the way it is. DRG beat Select so he won the tiebreaker.
tylermakesmusic
Profile Joined April 2011
United States122 Posts
August 28 2011 03:44 GMT
#10508
On August 28 2011 12:42 icarly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:40 tylermakesmusic wrote:
EG with 6 players in the Top 24. o_0



idra huk incontrol machine were given their spots from pool play.


Actually no. Idra, Huk and Machine earned top 24 with how they played in pool play. Incontrol and Demuslim both had to win extra games to get top 24. I understand you're trying to bitch about MLG's pool play system, but honestly shut up.
omnia vincit amor: et nos cedamus amori.
Kamikazess
Profile Joined February 2011
Brazil400 Posts
August 28 2011 03:45 GMT
#10509
On August 28 2011 12:42 tylermakesmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:41 Kamikazess wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:37 tylermakesmusic wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:29 Kamikazess wrote:
Well, it really doesn't make sense. They're both at 4-1, but Select with 8-2 and DRG with 8-3. So it couldn't be a tie. I think it's pretty silly the fact that individual matches doesn't make a difference. But it's the system...

How the hell doesn't it make sense? DRG beat Select. It's as simple as that. Why can't people grasp the concept of head to head victories?


It would make perfect sense if both players records' were exactly the same. If Select lost one individual match less than DRG, he should be ahead. But I already know that it's the way MLG works. I think it is wrong, but it's the way it is.


He didn't lose one less individual match. He lost one less game. One game does not equal one match.


Alright. Change the word "match" for the world "game", and my post will still have the same sense. Select lost one less game, so he should be ahead. That's the point to keep track of matches and games, in the player record.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
Devise
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1131 Posts
August 28 2011 03:46 GMT
#10510
On August 28 2011 12:44 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:42 icarly wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:40 tylermakesmusic wrote:
EG with 6 players in the Top 24. o_0



idra huk incontrol machine were given their spots from pool play.

And they made the top 24.


I'd even go as far to say there will be at least 5 in top 20.
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
August 28 2011 03:46 GMT
#10511
On August 28 2011 12:40 KingPaddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:25 Ghoststrikes wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:24 Kamikazess wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:23 karis wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:22 Kamikazess wrote:
DRG' record is 8-3 and Select's 8-2, right? How is this a tie?


match record. + drg won head to head.


But Select has lost less games. So, he is ahead, not?


No. DRG beat him, as simple as that. It's like that in every sport.


In which sports is it that way? Not in any I follow at least..
Is it perhaps an NA vs EU-thing?



.... in any sport that has a group stage.... seriously.... its not hard to understand lol
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 28 2011 03:46 GMT
#10512
On August 28 2011 12:41 Kamikazess wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:37 tylermakesmusic wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:29 Kamikazess wrote:
Well, it really doesn't make sense. They're both at 4-1, but Select with 8-2 and DRG with 8-3. So it couldn't be a tie. I think it's pretty silly the fact that individual matches doesn't make a difference. But it's the system...

How the hell doesn't it make sense? DRG beat Select. It's as simple as that. Why can't people grasp the concept of head to head victories?


It would make perfect sense if both players records' were exactly the same. If Select lost one individual match less than DRG, he should be ahead. But I already know that it's the way MLG works. I think it is wrong, but it's the way it is.

They did have the same record. 4-1. Individual games isn't the actual record. Its just the second tie breaker behind head to head.
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KingPaddy
Profile Joined November 2010
1053 Posts
August 28 2011 03:46 GMT
#10513
On August 28 2011 12:44 wats0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:41 Kamikazess wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:37 tylermakesmusic wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:29 Kamikazess wrote:
Well, it really doesn't make sense. They're both at 4-1, but Select with 8-2 and DRG with 8-3. So it couldn't be a tie. I think it's pretty silly the fact that individual matches doesn't make a difference. But it's the system...

How the hell doesn't it make sense? DRG beat Select. It's as simple as that. Why can't people grasp the concept of head to head victories?


It would make perfect sense if both players records' were exactly the same. If Select lost one individual match less than DRG, he should be ahead. But I already know that it's the way MLG works. I think it is wrong, but it's the way it is.


The first tiebreaker is head to head. Considering you can lose a single map easily to the worst player in the pool it would be silly to make the first tiebreaker map results. It's correct the way it is. DRG beat Select so he won the tiebreaker.

But you can easily be the overall better player, but have one bad matchup.. So in my opinion the overall performance should count more than the score of one single match.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 03:47:19
August 28 2011 03:46 GMT
#10514
On August 28 2011 12:44 tylermakesmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:42 icarly wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:40 tylermakesmusic wrote:
EG with 6 players in the Top 24. o_0



idra huk incontrol machine were given their spots from pool play.


Actually no. Idra, Huk and Machine earned top 24 with how they played in pool play. Incontrol and Demuslim both had to win extra games to get top 24. I understand you're trying to bitch about MLG's pool play system, but honestly shut up.


Lol. Extra games? They had to win 1 game to get into the Top24. Meanwhile open bracket players have to maul their way through tons.
Toxi78
Profile Joined May 2010
966 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 03:49:24
August 28 2011 03:47 GMT
#10515
if the same situation was in select's favor, everyone would be happy now. what's this talk all about ?
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
August 28 2011 03:47 GMT
#10516
On August 28 2011 12:45 Kamikazess wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 28 2011 12:42 tylermakesmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:41 Kamikazess wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:37 tylermakesmusic wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:29 Kamikazess wrote:
Well, it really doesn't make sense. They're both at 4-1, but Select with 8-2 and DRG with 8-3. So it couldn't be a tie. I think it's pretty silly the fact that individual matches doesn't make a difference. But it's the system...

How the hell doesn't it make sense? DRG beat Select. It's as simple as that. Why can't people grasp the concept of head to head victories?


It would make perfect sense if both players records' were exactly the same. If Select lost one individual match less than DRG, he should be ahead. But I already know that it's the way MLG works. I think it is wrong, but it's the way it is.


He didn't lose one less individual match. He lost one less game. One game does not equal one match.


Alright. Change the word "match" for the world "game", and my post will still have the same sense. Select lost one less game, so he should be ahead. That's the point to keep track of matches and games, in the player record.


No, mlg's system makes sense. If DRG beat Select it means DRG is better than Select (at least he was today), therefore it only makes sense that DRG goes into top 4.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
August 28 2011 03:47 GMT
#10517
On August 28 2011 12:46 snafoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:40 KingPaddy wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:25 Ghoststrikes wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:24 Kamikazess wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:23 karis wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:22 Kamikazess wrote:
DRG' record is 8-3 and Select's 8-2, right? How is this a tie?


match record. + drg won head to head.


But Select has lost less games. So, he is ahead, not?


No. DRG beat him, as simple as that. It's like that in every sport.


In which sports is it that way? Not in any I follow at least..
Is it perhaps an NA vs EU-thing?



.... in any sport that has a group stage.... seriously.... its not hard to understand lol


That's not true though so don't state it as fact.
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
August 28 2011 03:47 GMT
#10518
On August 28 2011 12:30 Samim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:27 Ghoststrikes wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:26 red4ce wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:23 Ghoststrikes wrote:
MLG system works fine. So far, 3 out of 3 (the 4th being TLO, yet to play vs DeMuslim) 6th place in pool beat their opponent coming from the open loser's bracket. Yes, maybe those players have had a lot of games to play but still, I think it proves that the system isn't as bad as some people portray it.

Edit: ok so while I was typing that Demuslim won game 1, but still :D


You just described the exact reason why people think MLG's system sucks.


People from open bracket can't beat people from pool play, what's the problem?


Yeah except champs like iNControl losing to a random like TriMaster.

And 1 series means nothing, DeMuslim is 100x better than iNControl, Machine, Haypro, TLO. Those four players really REALLY need to get kicked from pool play. It's getting pathetic.

Edit. Moonan is a maybe. Although he'd probably always make it through open bracket.


People were saying the same thing about Tyler not too long ago.

2 MLGs later, he fought his way through 2 Open Brackets in a row. I think iNcontroL, Machine, Haypr0, and TLO would all get far in the Open Bracket. People give them too little credit. Don't get me wrong, I think they are the weakest in their pools, but they're all more or less performing at their skill levels--right in the middle of mediocrity. But to say that "they're terrible!" and they need to get thrown out is a little much.

I would also say that I wouldn't mind if any of them got switched out with some of the other players who consistently get far in the Open. You could mix and match them all day long and I would agree with it. It just happens that right, iNcontroL, Machine, Haypr0, and TLO are those guys.

The sad thing is that after this MLG, people are going to shit on each of them and only continue to praise the Open Bracket heroes... even though they're all at roughly the same level (with exceptions of the the Koreans).

Again, people were saying the same about Tyler. But now that he's an Open Bracket hero 2 times in a row, there isn't going to be a single negative thing said about him.
Kamikazess
Profile Joined February 2011
Brazil400 Posts
August 28 2011 03:48 GMT
#10519
On August 28 2011 12:46 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:41 Kamikazess wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:37 tylermakesmusic wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:29 Kamikazess wrote:
Well, it really doesn't make sense. They're both at 4-1, but Select with 8-2 and DRG with 8-3. So it couldn't be a tie. I think it's pretty silly the fact that individual matches doesn't make a difference. But it's the system...

How the hell doesn't it make sense? DRG beat Select. It's as simple as that. Why can't people grasp the concept of head to head victories?


It would make perfect sense if both players records' were exactly the same. If Select lost one individual match less than DRG, he should be ahead. But I already know that it's the way MLG works. I think it is wrong, but it's the way it is.

They did have the same record. 4-1. Individual games isn't the actual record. Its just the second tie breaker behind head to head.


And that's exactly my point. Head-to-head shouldn't be the second tie breaker. Individual games should.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
KingPaddy
Profile Joined November 2010
1053 Posts
August 28 2011 03:48 GMT
#10520
On August 28 2011 12:46 snafoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:40 KingPaddy wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:25 Ghoststrikes wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:24 Kamikazess wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:23 karis wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:22 Kamikazess wrote:
DRG' record is 8-3 and Select's 8-2, right? How is this a tie?


match record. + drg won head to head.


But Select has lost less games. So, he is ahead, not?


No. DRG beat him, as simple as that. It's like that in every sport.


In which sports is it that way? Not in any I follow at least..
Is it perhaps an NA vs EU-thing?



.... in any sport that has a group stage.... seriously.... its not hard to understand lol


That is just wrong, as I mentioned above.. seriously.... its not hard to understand lol
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