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1. Whining about stream
2. Bashing other games
3. Flaming other users
4. Bashing players
5. Complaining about imbalance

Basically just be respectful. Aside from that, enjoy the games, make sure you bring an umbrella and have some delicious waffles! (#)
Allwars
Profile Joined May 2011
164 Posts
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4941
On August 28 2011 05:54 icarly wrote:
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On August 28 2011 05:52 Allwars wrote:
On August 28 2011 05:49 icarly wrote:
to be honest Nobeless played and looked much better than idra game 1. He carelessly lost mutas and was outmacro'd the entire game. 1 fungal won it for him.


I can understand you don't like IdrA but, please, don't make yourself a fool in front of 20k people reading you. How can you say Noblesse outmacroed IdrA when he had 60-70 scvs for 2 patches of mineral in the main and 3-4 mineral patches in the gold. A bit of common sense please.


was at the same supply with idra the entire game? his minerals and gas were in double digits while idra floated over a 1000 with his macro hatch not even hotkeyed?


LOL. You seem to know how the game and specially the zerg race works. I mean, having 1000 minerals on 3 bases when you are going muta in the mid game it's alright, couldn't be in any other way.
fraktoasters
Profile Joined January 2011
United States617 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 20:58:23
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4942
On August 28 2011 05:55 Jono7272 wrote:
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On August 28 2011 05:53 hitpoint wrote:
On August 28 2011 05:50 ken- wrote:
On August 28 2011 05:47 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On August 28 2011 05:44 AsnSensation wrote:
On August 28 2011 05:43 SafeAsCheese wrote:
You guys know NesTea lost to 2rax just a few days ago right?


but it was on bel shir were mvp blocked his base entrance and nestea didn't scout, idra saw it miles ahead, was too greedy and defended terribly


The fuck?

He pulled 7 drones, how is that greedy

Zerg is not allowed to 15 hatch on cross shakuras now because it's geedy?

Was he supposed to fight into those 3 marines with the drones and lose them all?


Hatch first openings is a greedy build.

When half of the TL readers knew what was coming before game 3 started should have been a sign to open 14 pool.


Hatch first is not a greedy build. It's standard and keeps you even.

Its this stupid mentality that loses IdrA games.. Noblesse committed a lot of economy to that rush, IdrA would have been far ahead with a pool first still. It's 2 rax map, IdrA should have expected it.


Idra is stupid for not blind countering it then? That's basically what you're saying.
_Mittens
Profile Joined November 2010
United States168 Posts
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4943
On August 28 2011 05:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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On August 28 2011 05:54 _Mittens wrote:
I'm a platinum league Zerg player, and I am mild to moderately confident I could take a series off Idra. I mean, it MIGHT be 2-1, but I would still take the series.


6pool on Steppes? x3?

I'd probably switch it up with a 7 pool in game 2. META GAMING.
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4944
On August 28 2011 05:56 Jakkerr wrote:
Sirscoots and Alex Garfield:

''Hmm this isn't going well, we buy a house where they practice 8 hours a day and they still get owned. NEED MOAR KOREANZ IN EG JERSEY''


That was something you just made up, right? Right!?
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4945
On August 28 2011 05:56 Pajegetc wrote:
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On August 28 2011 05:54 Miraju wrote:
haypro 2-0 bomber EZ


Interesting Fact, Haypro actually took a game off Bomber the last time they played.


On Xel Naga too. It wasn't exactly a dominating win, but still, very impressive.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Aeze
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7 Posts
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4946
Idra's done as a serious professional player IMO, he just doesn't have it in him anymore.
PimpWilly
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States228 Posts
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4947
Stream showing ret ending his game; doesn't look as excited as I'd be if I had won, so either he lost or he's playing it cool?
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10014 Posts
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4948
On August 28 2011 05:56 Asha` wrote:
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On August 28 2011 05:55 TT1 wrote:
im kinda intrigued in getting ur opinions on who u think the better player is between ret and nada, nada did beat ret yesterday

Poll: Better Player, Ret or NaDa?

Nada (74)
 
65%

Ret (40)
 
35%

114 total votes

Your vote: Better Player, Ret or NaDa?

(Vote): Ret
(Vote): Nada





Nada...for now.

So unconvincing lately, but still good enough to be considered all round stronger than Ret.


u sure? from wat i saw yesterday id give ret a 60-40 edge(skillwise)
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
GrimReefer
Profile Joined March 2011
United States442 Posts
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4949
On August 28 2011 05:52 Designakrobat wrote:
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On August 28 2011 05:47 Eishi_Ki wrote:
On August 28 2011 05:43 Pudge_172 wrote:
EG is having an extremely poor showing.....


They're not worried, least they can bench more than any other progaming team.


cracked me up a bit :p


lol

but back to the 3bunker, 2 racks analysis; hind sight being 20/20, idra should've made more than one spine crawler at the outset. his first crawler was about 80% when he canceled it b/c it was at like 40% health. if he had 3 crawlers, at the very least 2 of them would have gotten up, buying him some more time to figure out how to hold. instead his first crawler was canceled and he gg'd before the second one popped.
i'm not surprised he lost the 3rd game, but that ridiculous ling/roach "all-in" in game 2 was bad.....
You're rapping about homosexuals and Vicodin, I can't sell this sh*t.
Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4950
On August 28 2011 05:49 icarly wrote:
to be honest Nobeless played and looked much better than idra game 1. He carelessly lost mutas and was outmacro'd the entire game. 1 fungal won it for him.

Dude....were you even watching? Idra was up 2 bases almost the entire game, and Nobeless' great macro skill that game consisted primarily of pressing the "make marine" button. Plus he was on 2 mining bases MAX the entire game. It's not good macro if you just turtle on 2 bases the whole game while trying a fail drop every 5 minutes. The only reason he looked so solid is BECAUSE he's playing Idra. If you have 12 broodlords, 10 corruptors, 6 infestors, a crap-load of lings/banelings, and aren't being harassed for 90% of the game....vs a T that stays on 2 mining bases the whole game, you should dominate. Place any korean Z, or even guys like Ret/Sheth/etc in that same situation, and they steamroll that game 5-10 minutes early. I'll bet Destiny could have pulled it out if he ended up in a late-game like that.

Idra played a decent game 1, and then just quit mentally.
kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4951
On August 28 2011 05:55 kickazs wrote:
OH MAN, who's that doing stormdrops on stream?

That was HerO!
SiCkO_
Profile Joined September 2010
United States481 Posts
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4952
On August 28 2011 05:46 TT1 wrote:
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On August 28 2011 05:44 jazzbassmatt wrote:
On August 28 2011 05:43 dog4 wrote:
Idra is still top foreign zerg in the world.


No. He is not


yes he is =], how many times have we gone throught this? dont base ur player assesments off of fucking small samples, look at their overall gameplay(from several games) then make ur judgment based off of that


IdrA does have well thought out builds, yes, but he always seems to lack the ability to "turn it on" and take his game to the next level consistently in tournament situations which is what makes you the best. His past showings at events like MLG, IPL, and elsewhere have shown this. Yes he's a good player, but I would easily rank Sen, Sheth Nerchio, and Ret above him.

EDIT: I would have some issue saying he is the best lately, DIAMAGA, Stephano, and Darkforce have been really good lately and have performed better than idra at this point.
SKT Toss line Fighting! | Bisu, BeSt, By.Sun! |
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4953
On August 28 2011 05:52 megapants wrote:
does EG even have a coach? Why don't these players actually work on their weaknesses instead of just playing games all day?

All EG hate aside, Idra dropped spectacularly in skill and particularly in mental strength since coming back from Korea and the ones already based in US have been constantly poor. I don't think the talent is the problem but rather a lack of discipline, the lack of a proper coach maybe.

That being said, GOOOOO NOBLESSE! :p
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4954
On August 28 2011 05:56 TT1 wrote:
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On August 28 2011 05:54 hrvoje07 wrote:
Just because u lose all the time to idra doesnt make him the best foreign zerg, TT1.
Its not one or two BO3 he lost, its months of losing to plenty of foreigners out there that made him lose this title


dude i didnt say best foreign zerg, learn to read i was arguing for him being ONE of the best foreign zergs


Depends on how far you stretch "one of the best".
wat
arQ
Profile Joined October 2010
1033 Posts
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4955
Why arent we seeing any of these awesome games going down atm?
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." -Carl Sagan || Flash || Mvp || Naniwa ||
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4956
Major League Gaming
Puma takes G3 and wins his Pool D series with Ret 2-1


WOOOO go puma!
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Wheres the counter?"
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
August 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#4957
On August 28 2011 05:56 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 05:54 BackSideAttack wrote:
On August 28 2011 05:51 Sleight wrote:
On August 28 2011 05:49 Jinivus wrote:
On August 28 2011 05:46 TT1 wrote:
On August 28 2011 05:44 jazzbassmatt wrote:
On August 28 2011 05:43 dog4 wrote:
Idra is still top foreign zerg in the world.


No. He is not


yes he is =], how many times have we gone throught this? dont base ur player assesments off of fucking small samples, look at their overall gameplay(from several games) then make ur judgment off of that

Based on his play and results off the last 6 months. Not several games. His play is alright, mindset awful. Sen, nerchio, stephano all so much better atm. Also Idra has never won a tournament that isn't pure NA. he isn't the best foreign zerg not by a long shot.


So him beating Liquid Sheth (someone omst people consider pretty top, even better than Ret) in the finals of a major tournament a couple weeks ago means Sheth is also terrible or what?

Has Sen won IPL or MLG or anything similar? Nerchio? Stephano? I mean, they each individually have consistent small results, but people talk about GSL as the Holy Grail because of its size and talent pool, thus I think larger tournaments count for more.

Personally I think Sheth = IdrA in skill and both are pretty tip top of foreigners.


Actually Sen's NASL result is far superior to idra's IPL and MLG results. Idra won both tournaments when there were only foreigners. Sen won against Koreans.


as sen would say : "you don't play against koreans. you newbieeeeeeee!!! XD"

lmao. But he's right. Beating Koreans but not winning in tourney>winning in tourney with no Koreans.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 27 2011 20:59 GMT
#4958
Ret is 1-3 too then
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
August 27 2011 20:59 GMT
#4959
On August 28 2011 05:56 Flowjo wrote:
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On August 28 2011 05:53 fraktoasters wrote:
On August 28 2011 05:44 PartyBiscuit wrote:
The game was over, an unwinnable situation, Idra typed gg. Everyone is as usual overreacting to nothing.


Maybe because people saw Sheth beat Select when he was in the same position as Idra was in?


I love when Totalbuscuit makes predictions rofl, but yea 11-11 loses so much economy that losing the hatch does not always equate to death

That's not totalbiscuit, excellent comprehension skills.
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
August 27 2011 20:59 GMT
#4960
Ret 1-2 Puma
It appears I have been chosen.
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