On August 23 2011 21:58 Supamang wrote: Was that even the 1-1-1 build? Game 2, didnt Virus have 3 barracks? And in both games didnt he have marauders? I thought 1-1-1 was marines, tanks, banshee, raven along with SCVs?
In the traditional sense, no. Game 1 was a 111-style push, but Virus didn't really get starport units to support it, instead getting stim+combat shields. Game 2 was I believe going to transition into another weird 111 push with cloaked banshees and marauders, but that build kinda sucked. Then game 3 was totally not a 111 at all obviously.
On August 23 2011 21:58 Supamang wrote: Was that even the 1-1-1 build? Game 2, didnt Virus have 3 barracks? And in both games didnt he have marauders? I thought 1-1-1 was marines, tanks, banshee, raven along with SCVs?
Nope he didn't do the "real" 1/1/1 at all
well it was a 1/1/1 as he had a rax fact starport. just he didnt get banshee's and instead got stim and a medivac and more marines
1/1/1 refers to a build, not to have all 3 buildings. Otherwise every macro game is 1/1/1
On August 23 2011 21:58 Supamang wrote: Was that even the 1-1-1 build? Game 2, didnt Virus have 3 barracks? And in both games didnt he have marauders? I thought 1-1-1 was marines, tanks, banshee, raven along with SCVs?
Nope he didn't do the "real" 1/1/1 at all
well it was a 1/1/1 as he had a rax fact starport. just he didnt get banshee's and instead got stim and a medivac and more marines
Yes, but when people talk about the 1/1/1 they are not talking about the build Virus did. Just like when people talk about a 4 gate they aren't talking about going up to 4 gates after your nexus.
On August 23 2011 21:53 canastaa wrote: Yes genius give them of their own medicine >
What medicine? Virus didn't do 1/1/1 in any of these games, the first match was a tank/marine push.
with 20 scvs... a push? really? get out of here...
I like that you can't count.
what, is the number closer to 0 then?
It was around 10.
Look, are we honestly going to call every build that incorporates tanks a 1/1/1 all-in? He didn't get banshees, he didn't get a raven, he got stim and a medivac. That's classic biomech, and it was a timing push to kill the expo and contain. Of course your bring SCVs on a push, it doesn't automatically make it a Bitbybit all-in.
when will terran learn that if they do not 111 they will get all in from toss ). Pretty much funny match up right now. If terran 111 all-in, they will have about 80% win.
Protoss will either try to hold 1-1-1 or all in first and pray it works
On August 23 2011 21:53 canastaa wrote: Yes genius give them of their own medicine >
What medicine? Virus didn't do 1/1/1 in any of these games, the first match was a tank/marine push.
with 20 scvs... a push? really? get out of here...
I like that you can't count.
what, is the number closer to 0 then?
It was around 10.
Look, are we honestly going to call every build that incorporates tanks a 1/1/1 all-in? He didn't get banshees, he didn't get a raven, he got stim and a medivac. That's classic biomech, and it was a timing push to kill the expo and contain. Of course your bring SCVs on a push, it doesn't automatically make it a Bitbybit all-in.
it should just be called a tank - marine allin. The banshees, the Ravens, the SCV's. These are just variations.
On August 23 2011 21:53 canastaa wrote: Yes genius give them of their own medicine >
What medicine? Virus didn't do 1/1/1 in any of these games, the first match was a tank/marine push.
with 20 scvs... a push? really? get out of here...
I like that you can't count.
what, is the number closer to 0 then?
It was around 10.
Look, are we honestly going to call every build that incorporates tanks a 1/1/1 all-in? He didn't get banshees, he didn't get a raven, he got stim and a medivac. That's classic biomech, and it was a timing push to kill the expo and contain. Of course your bring SCVs on a push, it doesn't automatically make it a Bitbybit all-in.
it should just be called a tank - marine allin. The banshees, the Ravens, the SCV's. These are just variations.
But the complaint is SPECIFIC to this 1-1-1 all-in. We DON'T care that somebody manage to stop some all in that does not have a PDD. But we do very very much care when somebody actually manage to solve the all-in that includes the PDD.
On August 23 2011 21:53 canastaa wrote: Yes genius give them of their own medicine >
What medicine? Virus didn't do 1/1/1 in any of these games, the first match was a tank/marine push.
with 20 scvs... a push? really? get out of here...
I like that you can't count.
what, is the number closer to 0 then?
It was around 10.
Look, are we honestly going to call every build that incorporates tanks a 1/1/1 all-in? He didn't get banshees, he didn't get a raven, he got stim and a medivac. That's classic biomech, and it was a timing push to kill the expo and contain. Of course your bring SCVs on a push, it doesn't automatically make it a Bitbybit all-in.
it should just be called a tank - marine allin. The banshees, the Ravens, the SCV's. These are just variations.
I'm not sure that's even fair, because it's all interlinked, if you knew he wasn't getting the banshees then the robo is useless and you'd be better off just getting more gateways.
EPT
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