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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
August 21 2011 16:58 GMT
#3261
On August 22 2011 01:58 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 01:57 MoonBear wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:56 MoonBear wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:56 MoonBear wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:55 MoonBear wrote:
Match 2: Terminus RE
oGs.MC 0 vs 1 EG.(T)PuMa

(T)PuMa spawns as Blue Terran @6
(P)MC spawns as Red (T)Protoss @12

4:00
CyberCore for MC, Puma opening with very similar build to Game 1 but with a fast CC.

5:10
Puma makes 2 more raxes. Nexus for MC at nat.

6:10
4 gate and Robo for MC. That's a lot.

7:00
Stim and Combat Shield both being researched. Marauders being made too.

8:00
Marines being churned out. MC taking gas at nat. More Facts for Puma. Conc Shells on the way.

9:00
Stim and ConcShells complete. Templar Archievs about to finish.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 16:59:08
August 21 2011 16:58 GMT
#3262
On August 22 2011 01:56 Coal wrote:
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On August 22 2011 01:54 Zane wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:54 Brotatolol wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:53 Maghetti wrote:
SlayerSAlicia 양준식
111 imba
3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

The Chosen One has spoken.

The QQing one more like it.


Just be quiet please...

Why? Alicia's PvT consists of 90% voidrays and DTs so I don't get his qqiing.
McMonty
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada379 Posts
August 21 2011 16:58 GMT
#3263
On August 22 2011 01:52 Plansix wrote:
Clearly the 1-1-1 build is awesome and makes for great games. Love that that it denies scouting any solid scouting, prevents protoss expanding and allows the Terran all twice in a row. Also, love how the raven makes stalkers useless, since they are protoss's only solid anti air.



I agree. I love how it makes the game easy and stress free for the observer because you know who is going to win the game before it actually ends!
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
August 21 2011 16:58 GMT
#3264
On August 22 2011 01:57 Micket wrote:
WTF people saying teching to colossus? Against 3 banshees and a raven, you aren't gonna have any stlkaers, and you are gonna die. MC lost to banshees that game and he teched to charge which was a far smaller investment.


he overreacted to the tanks. made like 5 immortals lol... also engaged in the worst location possible, and didn't back as pdd was set down. it's cuz he thought he could just win even though he attacked into a choke cuz he was so far ahead
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
August 21 2011 16:59 GMT
#3265
Puma far behind already. Don't really understand his build tbh
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clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
August 21 2011 16:59 GMT
#3266
On August 22 2011 01:57 pAzand wrote:
1-1-1, pretty damn strong.. Don't know why MC don't attack the marine train all the way from the terrans base though? He, if any protoss, should be able to do it?

You can only do it with Stalker, and he had those in his base because of Banshees
syno
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland150 Posts
August 21 2011 16:59 GMT
#3267
On August 22 2011 01:56 NexUmbra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 01:54 syno wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:50 Mercury- wrote:
Quit bitching Protoss'. None of you complained when MC 4 and 6gated to his 2 GSL championships.

The difference is 6gate is so easy to stop.
MC exactly knew what was coming and still lost, even he did everything perfect.


Bullshit, you need colossus to defend that.

U saw the first engagement? oO
Good Brain
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
August 21 2011 16:59 GMT
#3268
On August 22 2011 01:58 Alpino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 01:56 HaXXspetten wrote:
As sad as I am that Puma won that game, I can't help but feel it was good for the future that he did.
I pretty much never blame inbalance, but 1/1/1 I've found pretty damn imba from the start. This game was probably the best example yet of it. Hopefully Blizzard will pay attention now, this really needs to be nerfed.


You can't nerf 1-1-1 without making Terran helplessly bad.

if they got rid of banshee completely terran would still be fine.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
August 21 2011 16:59 GMT
#3269
On August 22 2011 01:58 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 01:58 MoonBear wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:57 MoonBear wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:56 MoonBear wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:56 MoonBear wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:55 MoonBear wrote:
Match 2: Terminus RE
oGs.MC 0 vs 1 EG.(T)PuMa

(T)PuMa spawns as Blue Terran @6
(P)MC spawns as Red (T)Protoss @12

4:00
CyberCore for MC, Puma opening with very similar build to Game 1 but with a fast CC.

5:10
Puma makes 2 more raxes. Nexus for MC at nat.

6:10
4 gate and Robo for MC. That's a lot.

7:00
Stim and Combat Shield both being researched. Marauders being made too.

8:00
Marines being churned out. MC taking gas at nat. More Facts for Puma. Conc Shells on the way.

9:00
Stim and ConcShells complete. Templar Archievs about to finish.

9:30
Blink for MC. Turrets going up for Puma. +1 Weapons for Bio too.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
August 21 2011 16:59 GMT
#3270
On August 22 2011 01:57 TheBamf wrote:
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On August 22 2011 01:49 Demonaz wrote:
haha that was sick, have the feeling MC should not have re-expanded after the first push. Should have sensed another all-in coming. Also some collossus would have been nice!


Hahahahahahahah, how is a 1 base protoss with an excess of probes and gates gonna hold another off another all-in? God...



Well then the first all in was successful right? The second won just finished the job
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
August 21 2011 16:59 GMT
#3271
On August 22 2011 01:58 akaname wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 01:55 najreteip wrote:
SlayerSAlicia 양준식
111 imba
4 minutes ago

Koreans are watching :D

or he just got 111ed over and over again on the ladder!

Maybe he got Destiny Cloud Fisted :o
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
August 21 2011 16:59 GMT
#3272
On August 22 2011 01:57 Fig wrote:
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On August 22 2011 01:54 dcsoda wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:52 Fig wrote:
Best toss in the world.....Makes no mistakes.......Holds off first all-in.........25 supply up..........terran does same attack again.......wins............


Too much damage to banshees in between attacks = mistake

Puma did the least damage with his CLOAKED banshee of ANY terran I have ever seen do this build. Puma's banshee control was not even close to up to par with people normally doing this build. And yet he still beat the best toss, even with the ineffective harass.


Did you not see the massive amounts of damage between the first and second attacks?

Or did you just chose to ignore it?
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Gator
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States3432 Posts
August 21 2011 16:59 GMT
#3273
MC cuttin probes
TSM
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
August 21 2011 16:59 GMT
#3274
On August 22 2011 01:57 Ashworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 01:56 ZapRoffo wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:55 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:53 Alpino wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:51 Tegin wrote:
1/1/1 pretty OP. Shouldn't be able to transition into a second wave even more powerful as the first and win like that. Oh well..GG. You got him in game 2 MC!


Why not? He did a lot of damage with the first attack, he has mules. You are lacking understanding of the game ,there is a reason that when an all-in fail the next step is all-in again. I'm not defending the use of this build, but I'd do it if I'm playing MC on xel'naga.

Puma was 30 supply behind, just saying.

More like 25 and 20 of it was the worker difference.



So mules make 25 supply worth of probes off 1 cc.

Nice to know.

Nah MC mined more before the first attack but was less cost effective.
Puma mined more/it was equal between the attacks cause MC was now oversaturated 1 base vs. 1 base mules.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
August 21 2011 16:59 GMT
#3275
On August 22 2011 01:55 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 01:53 Badfatpanda wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:52 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:49 _Repo wrote:
LOL @ all the QQers, PUMA FTW.

Keep up the crying guys, and im a zerg player.

Of course you are a Zerg, I've yet to see a Zerg not whining about Protoss.


Sheth?

I'm obviously talking about low-ranked Zerg players in TL, because professionals know that the races are balanced.

uhh...every race has a thing they hate and you can't really expect a 1 year game to be fully balanced yet.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
August 21 2011 16:59 GMT
#3276
On August 22 2011 01:59 Lann555 wrote:
Puma far behind already. Don't really understand his build tbh


You pressure with drops while you tech up and get a third because the toss has to stay in his base.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
akaname
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom599 Posts
August 21 2011 17:00 GMT
#3277
On August 22 2011 01:57 stevorino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 01:54 Otori wrote:
Butthurt protosses whining about 1base terran all over this thread. You do realize puma is a good terran and can pull off all ins as well as straight up games right? It's not like he's a random noob who lucked out with a 1base allin. It's pure skill, even those 1base strats

If 1-1-1 was unstoppable it would been used every single game in a tvp, but it's not unstoppable, it's a risk.



amen.

imho it is not a gimme win, it's just too powerful for what it requires. i'm really getting bored of watching so many crap GSL games due to it, to the extent that I might stop watching GSL.
There can be only none
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
August 21 2011 17:00 GMT
#3278
On August 22 2011 01:57 pAzand wrote:
1-1-1, pretty damn strong.. Don't know why MC don't attack the marine train all the way from the terrans base though? He, if any protoss, should be able to do it?

tanks have more range than stalkers, have mad dps in unsieged mode and bonus damage against stalkers
bisu
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
August 21 2011 17:00 GMT
#3279
On August 22 2011 01:59 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 01:58 MoonBear wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:58 MoonBear wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:57 MoonBear wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:56 MoonBear wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:56 MoonBear wrote:
On August 22 2011 01:55 MoonBear wrote:
Match 2: Terminus RE
oGs.MC 0 vs 1 EG.(T)PuMa

(T)PuMa spawns as Blue Terran @6
(P)MC spawns as Red (T)Protoss @12

4:00
CyberCore for MC, Puma opening with very similar build to Game 1 but with a fast CC.

5:10
Puma makes 2 more raxes. Nexus for MC at nat.

6:10
4 gate and Robo for MC. That's a lot.

7:00
Stim and Combat Shield both being researched. Marauders being made too.

8:00
Marines being churned out. MC taking gas at nat. More Facts for Puma. Conc Shells on the way.

9:00
Stim and ConcShells complete. Templar Archievs about to finish.

9:30
Blink for MC. Turrets going up for Puma. +1 Weapons for Bio too.

10:30
Puma floats a fact for scouting. Third CC going up. Medivacs coming out. A single stimmed marine sees everything.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
August 21 2011 17:00 GMT
#3280
"Yes indeed"

That is how I will remember IEM
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
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