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kraut

374 Posts

August 21 2011 11:45 GMT

#301

BEEP BEEP BEEP

MrBitter

United States2940 Posts

August 21 2011 11:46 GMT

#302

On August 21 2011 20:09 HolydaKing wrote:

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On August 21 2011 20:00 befek wrote:

On August 21 2011 19:56 Skilledblob wrote:

On August 21 2011 19:55 Corrik wrote:

On August 21 2011 19:52 billyX333 wrote:

On August 21 2011 19:47 Corrik wrote:

On August 21 2011 19:43 billyX333 wrote:

On August 21 2011 19:31 Corrik wrote:

On August 21 2011 19:29 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:

On August 21 2011 19:18 Finrod1 wrote:
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Well the anti-stuff in general is no problem for me as long it isn't something like laser pointers. The line get's crossed clearly if they are just booing someone out because he is from country x.
As a football example: If my local team play's somewhere else there are 40k people chanting and booing against my hometeam. That is a part of sports but you should do it because you don't like a player and not his nationality.

Team sports and individual sports are different though. Team sports, such as soccer, basketball, football, booing is expected for guest team. But for individual sports, usually there is not much booing at all, it will just get too personal. And also, these kids are only 20 years old, and they are not making millions like Kobe.

I don't buy that reasoning. If you want to be center stage, you take the jeers with the cheers. Just as long as they don't cross the line.

elaborate on why you don't buy that reasoning?

Booing in individual sports is rare. Booing a golfer is generally unheard of unless he is getting media coverage for bad behavior

Picking and choosing examples. So Duke fans ;chanting overrated while Harrison Barnes shoots free throws isn't personal because he is on a team? Or there is reasoning behind it? Because a kid "not making millions" who is "twenty something" played for a rival school?

There is nothing wrong with it. It's normal.

you are still obviously missing the point

No... I got your point. But, it's not correct.

There is booing in every single college sport in America whether individual or not individual sports.

These are all young adults who do not make money.

Your point just is not correct.

There is nothing wrong with booing. In fact, why don't you read articles about players saying they love being booed because then they know they are getting to the other team's fans or such. Booing isn't bad. It's taking it beyond booing, threats and acts of foul play.

Professional athletes have a city where they are liked and everywhere else they are hated. They go into different cities expecting to be hated by the fans. They enjoy making their haters unhappy. I doubt a professional gamer flies into IEM cologne expecting to be hated and booed and I doubt he was thinking "I'm gonna make those haters hate me even more LOL" while still having an entire established fan base elsewhere to fall back on.

Also, You continue to give examples of team sports when refuting a point about individual sports. Please, give me an individual sport where its acceptable to boo players solely because of their nationality?

To further the ridiculousness of your argument, the fans at IEM weren't booing Puma for being Korean. They were booing him for being the favored opponent against their national German favorite. His nationality made no difference... he just wasn't Socke. End of story.

finally someone who understands it

Its still a bad thing.

totally agree about it being bad thing. the blizzard event in poland was so godlike, fans cheering HARD for everyone, was so good. mr. bitters comment yesterday was so stupid, if you ask me that should have consequences.

Trying to recall what I might have said to prompt this discussion.

I was definitely pushing the crowd to support Socke, but I don`t recall asking anyone to boo Puma...

There wasn't a single person in the audience that didn't want to see Socke win yesterday, but there were still a lot of cheers for Puma win he closed out his 3-0.

That said, if I'm overlooking some comment that was way out of line, please let me know, and I'll be sure to address it on stream today.

greatZERG

Australia755 Posts

August 21 2011 11:49 GMT

#303

IT'S A DRAW AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!

Synwave

United States2803 Posts

August 21 2011 11:49 GMT

#304

Its a draw again....fast paced high octane stuff this is.
Is it really fun to play rather than spectate? Im curious.

Tuskon

United States86 Posts

August 21 2011 11:50 GMT

#305

If it weren't for the annoying alarmish sound going off every 5 seconds i would've fallen asleep to this boring "dog fighting space ship game"

I'm just happy it's finally over.. get on to some real E-sport games that are fun for spectators to watch.

Skilledblob

Germany3392 Posts

August 21 2011 11:50 GMT

#306

when I was at gamescom on thursday the crowd at the side stage was way better compared to the main stage.

The main stage is mixed with all different kinds of gamers and even people who dont play at all. The side stage was pure SC2 guys and it was much better and the reactions were better too.

Starcall

Poland24 Posts

August 21 2011 11:50 GMT

#307

On August 21 2011 20:42 greatZERG wrote:

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What makes you think it will be an easy 3-0 given the 3-2 at NASL and the good performance both players are showing?

According to the Puma performance here I can say that MC will crush him 3:0. Mana owned him in the group stage, but yes, you can say, that Mana PvT is fantastic. I can say that the same abt MC's PvT.

sporei

Australia24 Posts

August 21 2011 11:51 GMT

#308

another Zergless final, gg.

greatZERG

Australia755 Posts

August 21 2011 11:52 GMT

#309

The biggest problem with that dog fighting game (apart from 15 minutes of nothing) is that you are only watching it from one person's view. This means that you can't really tell how much health the other person has so the only way to know if it's close is if the guy we're spectating is about to die.

The only way you can become invested in a competition is to know when one team is winning/losing, if we can only know when this one person is losing...we're either invested in hoping they don't die or cheering that they do die..neither of which makes it a viable spectator game.

Asha

United Kingdom38257 Posts

August 21 2011 11:52 GMT

#310

On August 21 2011 20:51 sporei wrote:
another Zergless final, gg.

another final between the best players at the event, gg.

Shinobi1982

1605 Posts

August 21 2011 11:53 GMT

#311

As much as I love Carmac and Take I have to say IEM should seriously do something for the next event to ensure that only true fans of SC/2 are watching the SC2 games. Scr*w the "We need to expose new spectators to watch SC2"... No offense but German random spectators (for whatever personal reason) are not suited to be watching a manner game like SC/SC2. The hate towards players at a lan event is NOT welcome in SC2!!!

With this I'm also boycotting Khaldor's stream for uncontrolled bias towards German players. At least till he shapes his commentary up.

I hope PuMa gets a warm welcome in Arizona to shake off that horrible feeling he got from the crowd at the IEM event.

PuMa hwaiting!

Jinivus

747 Posts

August 21 2011 11:53 GMT

#312

On August 21 2011 20:52 Asha` wrote:

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another final between the best players at the event, gg.

Didn't you know that Nerchio would win a GSL easily? Puma totally cheesed him out though!!! /sarcasm

humbre

353 Posts

August 21 2011 11:54 GMT

#313

On August 21 2011 20:51 sporei wrote:
another Zergless final, gg.

didnt u see that comming when no korean zergs were invited?

Fanek

Poland344 Posts

August 21 2011 11:55 GMT

#314

I just heard sad story, polish flag and protoss banner was stolen from polish fans.
http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season6/cologne/gallery/event/68636425/

discuss?

Valikyr

Sweden2653 Posts

August 21 2011 11:55 GMT

#315

I love how much someone at IEM loves Dream Theater.

greatZERG

Australia755 Posts

August 21 2011 11:55 GMT

#316

On August 21 2011 20:51 sporei wrote:
another Zergless final, gg.

Assembly, IPL Season 2, North American Battle.net Invitational, GSL, 2011 European Battle.net Invitational.

All had Zerg in grand final?

MKroLu

Poland4 Posts

August 21 2011 11:56 GMT

#317

gj! Germans! Stealers pls die fast.

karpo

Sweden1998 Posts

August 21 2011 11:59 GMT

#318

On August 21 2011 19:21 Serashin wrote:
The person/s who attacked Puma with laserpointer should be send to jail imo or beaten horribly , something like this is is not overlookable.

I know this post was made a few hours ago but i just can't help bringing this up. Saying someone should go to jail or be beaten is alot more idiotic than the actual laser pointer incident. (which in itself was stupid as hell)

Kira__

Sweden2672 Posts

August 21 2011 12:01 GMT

#319

On August 21 2011 20:55 Fanek wrote:
I just heard sad story, polish flag and protoss banner was stolen from polish fans.
http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season6/cologne/gallery/event/68636425/

discuss?

stolen, how?