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On August 08 2011 22:07 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 22:05 Toadvine wrote:On August 08 2011 21:54 ondik wrote:
can't watch the games know, but was there any infamous banshee/marine/tank allin in TvP games and how did it go? You can figure it out from the recommended game polls pretty easily. In essence: The build was used in every TvP Bo3, and went 3-0 in a very convincing fashion against what is supposed to be the optimal response. Fun times. I wouldn't count the sC vs Extreme Game though sC was so far ahead in supply before he pushed he would've won with just about any composition. Don't even understand how that happened.
I think Extreme expected it come earlier with fewer units, and screwed himself over by cutting probes too early. Kind of the inverse of a Zerg making too many drones against an all-in.
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On August 08 2011 22:09 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 22:05 Toadvine wrote:On August 08 2011 21:54 ondik wrote:
can't watch the games know, but was there any infamous banshee/marine/tank allin in TvP games and how did it go? You can figure it out from the recommended game polls pretty easily. In essence: The build was used in every TvP Bo3, and went 3-0 in a very convincing fashion against what is supposed to be the optimal response. Fun times. Maybe wait until there are actually some good Protosses playing? If, say, Puzzle lost to TheBest doing this push, then I think we can all be concerned.
Puzzle loses to this everytime on his stream. He's complained about it a lot.
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On August 08 2011 22:09 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 22:05 Toadvine wrote:On August 08 2011 21:54 ondik wrote:
can't watch the games know, but was there any infamous banshee/marine/tank allin in TvP games and how did it go? You can figure it out from the recommended game polls pretty easily. In essence: The build was used in every TvP Bo3, and went 3-0 in a very convincing fashion against what is supposed to be the optimal response. Fun times. Maybe wait until there are actually some good Protosses playing? If, say, Puzzle lost to TheBest doing this push, then I think we can all be concerned.
its pretty harsh you say that, these players are TOP players, they are GM in the korea ladder, its not like they are just random bronze kids, they are good, they probs knew it was comming, its not like they are bad players who have no idea..
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On August 08 2011 22:09 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 22:05 Toadvine wrote:On August 08 2011 21:54 ondik wrote:
can't watch the games know, but was there any infamous banshee/marine/tank allin in TvP games and how did it go? You can figure it out from the recommended game polls pretty easily. In essence: The build was used in every TvP Bo3, and went 3-0 in a very convincing fashion against what is supposed to be the optimal response. Fun times. Maybe wait until there are actually some good Protosses playing? If, say, Puzzle lost to TheBest doing this push, then I think we can all be concerned.
Well luckily we don't have to worry about that because Puzzle escaped into Code S. Oh wait, how many terrans are in there again? =P
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On August 08 2011 22:09 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 22:05 Toadvine wrote:On August 08 2011 21:54 ondik wrote:
can't watch the games know, but was there any infamous banshee/marine/tank allin in TvP games and how did it go? You can figure it out from the recommended game polls pretty easily. In essence: The build was used in every TvP Bo3, and went 3-0 in a very convincing fashion against what is supposed to be the optimal response. Fun times. Maybe wait until there are actually some good Protosses playing? If, say, Puzzle lost to TheBest doing this push, then I think we can all be concerned.
Tassadar went 0-3 against it in the Up/Downs against players who were probably worse than him. Including a player he 2-0d easily in Code A beforehand.
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On August 08 2011 22:08 twiitar wrote:
Protoss, stop crying about 1-1-1 - there's a solution in TL forums, you just need to go to the SC2 Strategy board.
Expected more out of InCa vs DRG, it was tiresome to watch but that's what you get when it's both players' worst matchup..
are u an idiot? Lets send all the korean semi pro and pro players to the team liquid strategy board....
This is hard to stop, if it wasnt how come every single terran is doing it and winning vs Protoss. The Protoss players even know its coming and still cannot stop it unless they play amazingly and the Terran plays so badly...
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yay my liquibet is 8/8, i was really worried when i saw some first game results but it turned out great!
Unlike the previous ro32 code a games. lol total fiasco.
Now lets watch some of them.
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I hope a Nerf for T or the expansion come early... it's becoming a bit boring....
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On August 08 2011 21:48 dooraven wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 21:46 La1 wrote:yay , at least 1 protoss qualifed for the round of 16 .. .  what is happening to all the protoss at the moment? They're dying to the 1/1/1 and most of them don't know how to play PvZ at the moment.
yeah they are all dying to 1/1/1 all in cause they dont cancel nexus
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On August 08 2011 22:08 twiitar wrote:
Protoss, stop crying about 1-1-1 - there's a solution in TL forums, you just need to go to the SC2 Strategy board.
Expected more out of InCa vs DRG, it was tiresome to watch but that's what you get when it's both players' worst matchup..
Rofl it doesn't even work against good Terran, jesus.
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On August 08 2011 21:44 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 21:25 FallDownMarigold wrote:On August 08 2011 21:22 Maken wrote:On August 08 2011 21:15 FallDownMarigold wrote:On August 08 2011 21:11 Maken wrote:
Fruitdealer stays and MKP beats FD, so i'm pretty confident. Fail logic lol. There is no transitive property of starcraft. MKP faces Hack. 2 months ago I would say Lol EZ mkp wins; now it's very likely that mkp will drop out for good. He doesn't have what it takes to win given his last god knows how many GSL games I have no logic i'm MKP fanboy so I think he'll win. Fair enough. I like watching MKP micro. He's good at that. It just gets tough thinking he'll win only to have him lose pretty much always now in GSL related games don't know how representative it is, but hack had a 90% winrate on the us server so he should be quite good. crybabyking.prime might not be bonjwa for some time
Mvp had like 97% winrate on US server with more than 100 games
Any decent korean should have 90%+ on US server depending on how bad the latency is, that doesn't define how good they are lol.
About MKP vs Hack it'll be a bit random as usual with new hellion tvt :D, but MKP is far better so he'll find a way to win with mech
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On August 08 2011 22:13 Toadvine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 22:09 ZasZ. wrote:On August 08 2011 22:05 Toadvine wrote:On August 08 2011 21:54 ondik wrote:
can't watch the games know, but was there any infamous banshee/marine/tank allin in TvP games and how did it go? You can figure it out from the recommended game polls pretty easily. In essence: The build was used in every TvP Bo3, and went 3-0 in a very convincing fashion against what is supposed to be the optimal response. Fun times. Maybe wait until there are actually some good Protosses playing? If, say, Puzzle lost to TheBest doing this push, then I think we can all be concerned. Tassadar went 0-3 against it in the Up/Downs against players who were probably worse than him. Including a player he 2-0d easily in Code A beforehand.
Against the player he 2:0-ed that was no 1-1-1 , all-in. Look i won't deny that this push is pretty strong but there are Maps where you can expect this push on and where not and actually prepare accordingly from the beginning. Not saying they'll hold it BUT most of the time they'll react too late .
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THEBESTTTTT NOOOOOOOOOOO.
Damn, I expected you to win everything and prove all the haters wrong...
well your games proved the haters wrong, but unfortunately people are still going to not care because they don't actually watch...
Seriously... TheBest deserves WAY more credit than he gets that it annoys me.
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On August 08 2011 22:05 Toadvine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 21:54 ondik wrote:
can't watch the games know, but was there any infamous banshee/marine/tank allin in TvP games and how did it go? You can figure it out from the recommended game polls pretty easily. In essence: The build was used in every TvP Bo3, and went 3-0 in a very convincing fashion against what is supposed to be the optimal response. Fun times.
thanks..yea, that's what I did, I just wanted to be sure 
I really want to see MC (too bad he's the only toss that comes to my mind ) go against this build. I know he's been losing to it but he had lot of time to prepare an answer. If he can't beat it then no protoss can I'm afraid (taking into account only when the 1-1-1 is executed well)
I wonder why no foreigners are trying this build. Shouldn't be too hard to pull off, but always very hard to defense.
On August 08 2011 22:08 twiitar wrote:
Protoss, stop crying about 1-1-1 - there's a solution in TL forums, you just need to go to the SC2 Strategy board.
Yea, I guess all the players who lost to this in up'n'down matches and today are worse than average TL'er.
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On August 08 2011 22:15 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 22:13 Toadvine wrote:On August 08 2011 22:09 ZasZ. wrote:On August 08 2011 22:05 Toadvine wrote:On August 08 2011 21:54 ondik wrote:
can't watch the games know, but was there any infamous banshee/marine/tank allin in TvP games and how did it go? You can figure it out from the recommended game polls pretty easily. In essence: The build was used in every TvP Bo3, and went 3-0 in a very convincing fashion against what is supposed to be the optimal response. Fun times. Maybe wait until there are actually some good Protosses playing? If, say, Puzzle lost to TheBest doing this push, then I think we can all be concerned. Tassadar went 0-3 against it in the Up/Downs against players who were probably worse than him. Including a player he 2-0d easily in Code A beforehand. Against the player he 2:0-ed that was no 1-1-1 , all-in.
Hm, was that the game on Crevasse? In that case, it was still an all-in, just a bit later off 2 bases, and with more units. Don't actually have any complaints about that, since Tassadar was clearly tilted and playing quite bad. Still, he is pretty good, and lost to the build just the same.
Also, Puzzle loses to it all the time. MC also lost to it against Bomber, and at least twice against Thorzain.
On August 08 2011 22:14 sVnteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 21:48 dooraven wrote:On August 08 2011 21:46 La1 wrote:yay , at least 1 protoss qualifed for the round of 16 .. . what is happening to all the protoss at the moment? They're dying to the 1/1/1 and most of them don't know how to play PvZ at the moment. yeah they are all dying to 1/1/1 all in cause they dont cancel nexus
I'm really starting to hate Wolf because of this nonsense. :/
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On August 08 2011 22:18 wklbishop wrote:
THEBESTTTTT NOOOOOOOOOOO.
Damn, I expected you to win everything and prove all the haters wrong...
well your games proved the haters wrong, but unfortunately people are still going to not care because they don't actually watch...
Seriously... TheBest deserves WAY more credit than he gets that it annoys me.
yeah, he plays badly in one series and is immediately the second worst player of all time (behind bitbybit)
it annoys me how much tastosis will hype someone up or tear them down based on a single series, or worse, a single game.
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On August 08 2011 22:15 s3rp wrote:
Against the player he 2:0-ed that was no 1-1-1 , all-in. Look i won't deny that this push is pretty strong but there are Maps where you can expect this push on and where not and actually prepare accordingly from the beginning. Not saying they'll hold it BUT most of the time they'll react too late .
The issue is you dont get alot of time to react to it.. you dont get alot of info once marines etc are out.. you need to wait for observer and by then its normally too late to react..
my clue is if i see a bunch of marines and or a bunker.. i start preparing for the 1 base all in, but there are ALOT of variations and it could just be banshee harrass or an expansion build
its hard to know what to prepare for..
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I'm so sad NEXTREME lost
I wanted to root for him all the way to code S, what an awesome name
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Right, so because P are trying to one-gate FE and are losing to a one-base all-in that pulls workers, the all-in needs to be nerfed. Obviously something is just wrong with the game if a one-base all-in with workers pulled can beat a FE off of one unit-producing structure. Obviously.
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On August 08 2011 22:23 La1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 22:15 s3rp wrote:
Against the player he 2:0-ed that was no 1-1-1 , all-in. Look i won't deny that this push is pretty strong but there are Maps where you can expect this push on and where not and actually prepare accordingly from the beginning. Not saying they'll hold it BUT most of the time they'll react too late . The issue is you dont get alot of time to react to it.. you dont get alot of info once marines etc are out.. you need to wait for observer and by then its normally too late to react.. my clue is if i see a bunch of marines and or a bunker.. i start preparing for the 1 base all in, but there are ALOT of variations and it could just be banshee harrass or an expansion build its hard to know what to prepare for..
Thats the point, you know its coming - theres just nothing you can do about it.
Panzer - standard Teamliquid moron. The all in hits at 9 minutes - do you think Protoss has 1 gate at 9 minutes? A one gate expand is the ONLY way you can have a chance of holding the build! You can 3 gate robo and still get crushed..
Jesus why are you so stupid?
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