On August 08 2011 19:38 illumn wrote:
Wow, drops are so good (safe) against zealot archon.
Wow, drops are so good (safe) against zealot archon.
If you go chargelot/archon you really must have multiple observers covering all the map.
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
August 08 2011 10:39 GMT
#2761
On August 08 2011 19:38 illumn wrote: Wow, drops are so good (safe) against zealot archon. If you go chargelot/archon you really must have multiple observers covering all the map. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
August 08 2011 10:39 GMT
#2762
On August 08 2011 19:39 Yaotzin wrote: Best LB strategy: bet against Protoss in every game, unless the Protoss is obviously vastly better than his opponent! Don't give away my strat ![]() | ||
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itsjuspeter
United States668 Posts
August 08 2011 10:39 GMT
#2763
On August 08 2011 19:39 Yaotzin wrote: Best LB strategy: bet against Protoss in every game, unless the Protoss is obviously vastly better than his opponent! I only bet protoss if its MC sadly | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
August 08 2011 10:39 GMT
#2764
On August 08 2011 19:38 Asha` wrote: Wolf is trying to make his own thing. Oh tails, stop 1A'ing absolutely everything. What do you want him to do? This is what Tarson did to beat Naniwa when he did Zealot Archon. Big drops are a huge weakness | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
August 08 2011 10:39 GMT
#2765
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
August 08 2011 10:39 GMT
#2766
That said: Taeja playing pretty sexy. Makes me wanna mass drop just for a building here and there | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
August 08 2011 10:39 GMT
#2767
On August 08 2011 19:26 Fyzar wrote: 1/1/1 incoming 100% Where is the 1.1.1 now? stop whining protoss, we can beat you without this 1base push too | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
August 08 2011 10:39 GMT
#2768
On August 08 2011 19:39 Drazerk wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2011 19:38 Drazerk wrote: On August 08 2011 19:38 Drazerk wrote: On August 08 2011 19:37 Drazerk wrote: On August 08 2011 19:36 Drazerk wrote: On August 08 2011 19:36 Drazerk wrote: On August 08 2011 19:35 Drazerk wrote: On August 08 2011 19:35 Drazerk wrote: On August 08 2011 19:34 Drazerk wrote: On August 08 2011 19:34 Drazerk wrote: [quote] 9:10 Three more gates + templar archive + both gases at the natural for tails Taeja getting bio weapons +1 10:00 Drop takes out the twilight council and a few probes 11:00 Twilight council being remade Feedback on the medivacs 11:40 Both players taking a third base 12:10 Ghost academy on the way for taeja 13:00 Massive doom drop for taeja 13:50 Forge + a lot of tails army is taken out Taeja retreats without losing much 15:00 Nexus in the main is sniped by a drop Third now being hit 15:30 third base is taken out 16:10 Cloak and a fourth base for taeja Tails is rebuilding his bases 17:00 Taeja going in for the final hit | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
August 08 2011 10:39 GMT
#2769
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flodeskum
Iceland1267 Posts
August 08 2011 10:40 GMT
#2770
It's a pretty huge hole in the zealot/archon build, can't deal with drops at all. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
August 08 2011 10:40 GMT
#2771
the drop play was good though, don't get me wrong | ||
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Sabu113
United States11087 Posts
August 08 2011 10:40 GMT
#2772
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Flanq
United Kingdom2694 Posts
August 08 2011 10:40 GMT
#2773
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Mike15xp
United States595 Posts
August 08 2011 10:40 GMT
#2774
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
August 08 2011 10:40 GMT
#2775
On August 08 2011 19:39 Drazerk wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2011 19:39 Drazerk wrote: On August 08 2011 19:38 Drazerk wrote: On August 08 2011 19:38 Drazerk wrote: On August 08 2011 19:37 Drazerk wrote: On August 08 2011 19:36 Drazerk wrote: On August 08 2011 19:36 Drazerk wrote: On August 08 2011 19:35 Drazerk wrote: On August 08 2011 19:35 Drazerk wrote: On August 08 2011 19:34 Drazerk wrote: [quote] 10:00 Drop takes out the twilight council and a few probes 11:00 Twilight council being remade Feedback on the medivacs 11:40 Both players taking a third base 12:10 Ghost academy on the way for taeja 13:00 Massive doom drop for taeja 13:50 Forge + a lot of tails army is taken out Taeja retreats without losing much 15:00 Nexus in the main is sniped by a drop Third now being hit 15:30 third base is taken out 16:10 Cloak and a fourth base for taeja Tails is rebuilding his bases 17:00 Taeja going in for the final hit 18:00 Taeja now hitting the natural taking out the forge | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
August 08 2011 10:40 GMT
#2776
On August 08 2011 19:39 graNite wrote: Where is the 1.1.1 now? stop whining protoss, we can beat you without this 1base push too The map is too big for 1-1-1 | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
August 08 2011 10:40 GMT
#2777
On August 08 2011 19:38 HolyArrow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2011 19:31 Ocedic wrote: On August 08 2011 19:26 HolyArrow wrote: On August 08 2011 19:24 Ocedic wrote: On August 08 2011 19:21 HolyArrow wrote: On August 08 2011 19:18 Ocedic wrote: On August 08 2011 19:15 dani` wrote: On August 08 2011 19:15 Ocedic wrote: What's with so much whining from Protoss in this thread? If the strategy was uncounterable then it would be used every game of every match at the highest levels. Are you saying it is not? In every bo3 TvP it's used at least once by the Terran and it's a win :D Did you read what I said? Remember back when 5 rax reaper was viable (pre reaper nerf)? It was used virtually EVERY game. If the strategy WAS uncounterable it would be used EVERY game. It's not, so you're wrong. Stop whining and get better. Some maps aren't good to 1-1-1 on. Your logic is stupid. You're basically saying, "It's not used in 100% of the games, therefore, it's not uncounterable, l2p". For one thing, most people here don't think it's uncounterable, but just that the skill and effort that takes to counter it far outstrips the skill and effort needed to execute it. And it IS used very, very often, with a very high winrate. Maybe you should go tell Puzzle and SangHo to stop whining and get better since I also saw them complaining about it, and they're not even known for QQ. Maybe they should stop QQ? There are numerous examples throughout BROOD WAR history where matchups were considered much one sided, then someone (Boxer, Bisu, JulyZerg, Savior, etc) came along and shook up the entire matchup with something new. But no, modern gamers can't be bothered with that. Let's just cry for nerfs every time a strategy is 'too hard' to counter. Okay, so basically, you're calling upon historical precedent of a different, arguably better-designed game to justify telling pros to shut up and learn to play. You realize that 1-1-1 has been around for a year, right? It's not a hot new strategy that's taking people by surprise. People have had plenty of time to figure out good counters. So then you are in favor of nerfing/buffing around flavor of the month builds? 1-1-1 has been around for a while but it only recently came back (it was gone for a few months.) I mean, did you watch the game? Taeja had 14 marines, 3 tanks and 2 bansshees against 3 stalkers and 3 sentries. You saying it's overpowered that the T force wins against 6 units? Might I recommend you start playing the novice maps, there are rocks that prevent rushes so you can play as greedy as you like. Your last statement is funny because you imply that I'm some terrible noob who needs novice maps, yet, a fast expansion (what I'm assuming your statement about being "greedy" is aimed at) is actually agreed upon by many good Toss players to be the best way to deal with 1-1-1. So who's the one who doesn't understand the game? Oh, and Tails had more than just 3 stalkers and 3 sentries, so maybe you're the one that needs to watch more carefully... Implying someone else's ignorance while simultaneously being ignorant yourself doesn't... really work. Hearsay isn't a good arugment, especially when you don't even cite your sources. 'Many good Toss players' agree with you? I can do the same thing, many good non-Protoss players disagree with you. Also, first you claim no counter to the strategy exists, now you say there is a way to deal with it. Make up your mind, balance whiner! | ||
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MagmaRam
United States395 Posts
August 08 2011 10:40 GMT
#2778
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Akhee
Brazil811 Posts
August 08 2011 10:40 GMT
#2779
even my gold friends can do this o_o | ||
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fant0m
964 Posts
August 08 2011 10:40 GMT
#2780
Terran EMPs almost every Archon down to 10 hp and then instantly focuses them down. Doa: "Bad EMPs" Wolf has to correct him. :/ | ||
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