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Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
August 08 2011 10:30 GMT
#2661
CC?
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
illumn
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand437 Posts
August 08 2011 10:30 GMT
#2662
On August 08 2011 19:28 gogatorsfoster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 19:26 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:24 Ocedic wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:21 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:18 Ocedic wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:15 dani` wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:15 Ocedic wrote:
What's with so much whining from Protoss in this thread? If the strategy was uncounterable then it would be used every game of every match at the highest levels.

Are you saying it is not? In every bo3 TvP it's used at least once by the Terran and it's a win :D


Did you read what I said? Remember back when 5 rax reaper was viable (pre reaper nerf)? It was used virtually EVERY game. If the strategy WAS uncounterable it would be used EVERY game.

It's not, so you're wrong. Stop whining and get better.


Some maps aren't good to 1-1-1 on. Your logic is stupid. You're basically saying, "It's not used in 100% of the games, therefore, it's not uncounterable, l2p". For one thing, most people here don't think it's uncounterable, but just that the skill and effort that takes to counter it far outstrips the skill and effort needed to execute it. And it IS used very, very often, with a very high winrate. Maybe you should go tell Puzzle and SangHo to stop whining and get better since I also saw them complaining about it, and they're not even known for QQ.


Maybe they should stop QQ? There are numerous examples throughout BROOD WAR history where matchups were considered much one sided, then someone (Boxer, Bisu, JulyZerg, Savior, etc) came along and shook up the entire matchup with something new.

But no, modern gamers can't be bothered with that. Let's just cry for nerfs every time a strategy is 'too hard' to counter.


Okay, so basically, you're calling upon historical precedent of a different, arguably better-designed game to justify telling pros to shut up and learn to play. You realize that 1-1-1 has been around for a year, right? It's not a hot new strategy that's taking people by surprise. People have had plenty of time to figure out good counters.

In court precedent is more important than testimony, Also no Pro`s spend their time crapping up the LR thread for the rest of us who want to enjoy ourselves.


What the hell? How do precedent and testimony intersect in any way?
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
August 08 2011 10:30 GMT
#2663
ZERO ON HOLY WORLD WOLF
itsjuspeter
Profile Joined November 2010
United States668 Posts
August 08 2011 10:30 GMT
#2664
no 1/1/1 from taeja, i am disappoint
StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
August 08 2011 10:30 GMT
#2665
Wolf picking up Artosisms.

The "No! You can't do that!"
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
August 08 2011 10:30 GMT
#2666
On August 08 2011 19:29 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 19:29 Drazerk wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:28 Drazerk wrote:
Game Three on daybreak

In the bottom left is Taeja

While in the top right is Tails



2:30

Barracks / gateway finishing

No gas for taeja


3:10

Core on the way for Tails now


3:40

Warpgate for tails

Taeja getting a command centre
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
August 08 2011 10:30 GMT
#2667
--- Nuked ---
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
August 08 2011 10:30 GMT
#2668
On August 08 2011 19:29 hewley wrote:
Just interested, wouldn't a 3gate blink stalker rush crush the 1-1-1 build as there is only a bunker and you just skip it???

Hehheeh I think the scvs and marines roll you, and then you lose to cloaked banshees :D
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Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
August 08 2011 10:30 GMT
#2669
Hes referring to holy world right?
龔智禮 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ CJ NATION
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
August 08 2011 10:30 GMT
#2670
I'm gonna laugh if this ends up being a two base version of 1-1-1
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
August 08 2011 10:30 GMT
#2671
On August 08 2011 19:27 Beyonder wrote:
I doubt there's goign to be a 111 on this map though? Its so big?


The only weakness of the 1-1-1 is that it's one base. Protoss has an econ advantage, but the 1-1-1 hits before Protoss can sufficiently benefit from it. Therefore, the longer the 1-1-1 takes the cross the map, the weaker it is. The biggest the map, the easier to slow the push by forcing sieges and falling back a lot.

Daybreak is pretty big.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
August 08 2011 10:30 GMT
#2672
On August 08 2011 19:29 Asha` wrote:
How have the games on Daybreak been so far btw? It looks like a fun map.

Thank god for no 1-1-1 from Taeja (is sneakily watching)

We had only 1 TvT and 1 TvP, both good games Maps seems promising.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 08 2011 10:30 GMT
#2673
On August 08 2011 19:30 Dommk wrote:
I'm gonna laugh if this ends up being a two base version of 1-1-1

2-2-2?
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
August 08 2011 10:30 GMT
#2674
On August 08 2011 19:29 Yew wrote:
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On August 08 2011 19:28 OrchidThief wrote:
Not really surprising that terrans do this many early game allins when you can so easily get rolled by almost any lategame protoss tech. Be it Archons, HT's or Colossus.

Oh please, Protoss isn't unstoppable late game c'mon. Good EMP's will wreck a protoss army.


EMP doesn't rack mass Zealots . It doesn't matter if the Archons are down to 10 HP if you can't hit them because Zealots block the Bio from hitting them.
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
August 08 2011 10:30 GMT
#2675
so all Terrans are beating Protosses with 1-1-1 and still Protosses even though they know its coming cant stop it?

Makes me laugh this game..... Terran are far toos trong early game with so many different options
Live and Let Die!
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
August 08 2011 10:31 GMT
#2676
On August 08 2011 19:28 gogatorsfoster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 19:26 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:24 Ocedic wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:21 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:18 Ocedic wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:15 dani` wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:15 Ocedic wrote:
What's with so much whining from Protoss in this thread? If the strategy was uncounterable then it would be used every game of every match at the highest levels.

Are you saying it is not? In every bo3 TvP it's used at least once by the Terran and it's a win :D


Did you read what I said? Remember back when 5 rax reaper was viable (pre reaper nerf)? It was used virtually EVERY game. If the strategy WAS uncounterable it would be used EVERY game.

It's not, so you're wrong. Stop whining and get better.


Some maps aren't good to 1-1-1 on. Your logic is stupid. You're basically saying, "It's not used in 100% of the games, therefore, it's not uncounterable, l2p". For one thing, most people here don't think it's uncounterable, but just that the skill and effort that takes to counter it far outstrips the skill and effort needed to execute it. And it IS used very, very often, with a very high winrate. Maybe you should go tell Puzzle and SangHo to stop whining and get better since I also saw them complaining about it, and they're not even known for QQ.


Maybe they should stop QQ? There are numerous examples throughout BROOD WAR history where matchups were considered much one sided, then someone (Boxer, Bisu, JulyZerg, Savior, etc) came along and shook up the entire matchup with something new.

But no, modern gamers can't be bothered with that. Let's just cry for nerfs every time a strategy is 'too hard' to counter.


Okay, so basically, you're calling upon historical precedent of a different, arguably better-designed game to justify telling pros to shut up and learn to play. You realize that 1-1-1 has been around for a year, right? It's not a hot new strategy that's taking people by surprise. People have had plenty of time to figure out good counters.

In court precedent is more important than testimony, Also no Pro`s spend their time crapping up the LR thread for the rest of us who want to enjoy ourselves.


This isn't court, so that example is pointless. When you watch a Terran win with 1-1-1, there isn't really much else to talk about besides 1-1-1, so talking about it is pretty relevant.
Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
August 08 2011 10:31 GMT
#2677
well i think the protoss wins this about 100% of the time when it's played out straight up
MrBitter: Phoenixes... They're like flying hellions. Always cost efficient.
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
August 08 2011 10:31 GMT
#2678
On August 08 2011 19:26 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 19:24 Ocedic wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:21 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:18 Ocedic wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:15 dani` wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:15 Ocedic wrote:
What's with so much whining from Protoss in this thread? If the strategy was uncounterable then it would be used every game of every match at the highest levels.

Are you saying it is not? In every bo3 TvP it's used at least once by the Terran and it's a win :D


Did you read what I said? Remember back when 5 rax reaper was viable (pre reaper nerf)? It was used virtually EVERY game. If the strategy WAS uncounterable it would be used EVERY game.

It's not, so you're wrong. Stop whining and get better.


Some maps aren't good to 1-1-1 on. Your logic is stupid. You're basically saying, "It's not used in 100% of the games, therefore, it's not uncounterable, l2p". For one thing, most people here don't think it's uncounterable, but just that the skill and effort that takes to counter it far outstrips the skill and effort needed to execute it. And it IS used very, very often, with a very high winrate. Maybe you should go tell Puzzle and SangHo to stop whining and get better since I also saw them complaining about it, and they're not even known for QQ.


Maybe they should stop QQ? There are numerous examples throughout BROOD WAR history where matchups were considered much one sided, then someone (Boxer, Bisu, JulyZerg, Savior, etc) came along and shook up the entire matchup with something new.

But no, modern gamers can't be bothered with that. Let's just cry for nerfs every time a strategy is 'too hard' to counter.


Okay, so basically, you're calling upon historical precedent of a different, arguably better-designed game to justify telling pros to shut up and learn to play. You realize that 1-1-1 has been around for a year, right? It's not a hot new strategy that's taking people by surprise. People have had plenty of time to figure out good counters.


So then you are in favor of nerfing/buffing around flavor of the month builds? 1-1-1 has been around for a while but it only recently came back (it was gone for a few months.) I mean, did you watch the game? Taeja had 14 marines, 3 tanks and 2 bansshees against 3 stalkers and 3 sentries. You saying it's overpowered that the T force wins against 6 units?

Might I recommend you start playing the novice maps, there are rocks that prevent rushes so you can play as greedy as you like.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 08 2011 10:31 GMT
#2679
Guys he doesnt want to 111 because of backlash. Everyone knows the build needs to be looked at but doing it every game makes you very unpopular.
twitch.tv/medrea
Orpheusz
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia210 Posts
August 08 2011 10:31 GMT
#2680
On August 08 2011 19:29 hewley wrote:
Just interested, wouldn't a 3gate blink stalker rush crush the 1-1-1 build as there is only a bunker and you just skip it???


A straight up 4 gate and 3 gate stargate can beat it too, but not all of us want to blindly allin every game.
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