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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 08 2011 10:26 GMT
#2601
does 1-1-1 work on Daybreak?
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
August 08 2011 10:26 GMT
#2602
On August 08 2011 19:23 Scribble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 19:20 Dfgj wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:18 Scribble wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:16 Dfgj wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:15 Scribble wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:09 bittman wrote:
Hmm...yeah ok even after reading like 30 pages of discussions about how Protoss can hold it, the skill in holding it is far superior to the skill required to executing that.

To me, that's the definition of something that might need to be rebalanced.


It's much easier to 6 pool than to hold a 6 pool. Nerf 6-pool?

Remember a few months ago when the Zerg tears were flowing about how impossible ZvP felt, and what the response was? "Figure it out."

And that is always the correct response. Figure it out. Don't hope for balance changes, look for solutions. It's way too early to call this imba.

A build used since Beta with a hilarious winrate is too early?


It's been around since beta, and yet protoss have had success since then. It's only been since recently that it exploded to the point where everybody is using it TvP. If it hasn't been used frequently up until very recently, then it doesn't matter how long it's been around because only now is it becoming a real problem for toss.

The frequency is what's changed. This sort of attack has been winning games for ages, and no total solution has been found, which is ridiculous for a blind all-in that can be scouted long before it hits.


The point I was trying to make is that because it wasn't used frequently before there was less exposure to it, and less effort went into solving that problem. No sense practicing your ass off to solve one specific build that isn't even very widely used, is there? Quite different from putting a lot of effort into something that is now so popular that you can reliably expect to see.

I personally quit playing ladder sometime last October because I lost 90% to that build, even when I felt I knew what I was doing and practiced against it. I had LANs in the same month where Terrans would use it 2-3 games in a row on every Protoss they encountered. I honestly can't tell you why it faded out and only resurged lately.

Meanwhile though, nice game between these two. Chargelot archon is glorious :o
rfoster
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1005 Posts
August 08 2011 10:26 GMT
#2603
On August 08 2011 19:17 Caesarion wrote:
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On August 08 2011 19:16 Chezus wrote:
I expect a discussion thread on the protoss counter to the 1-1-1 all-in today. We need to theorycraft. And quick before this build starts to get too popular on ladder.


Actually..

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250379&currentpage=All



If you havent read this thread in depth, I implore you to turn off this cast, close this LR thread, and learn how your supposed to do it, rather than complaining. What does complaining get you?
wristuzi
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1168 Posts
August 08 2011 10:26 GMT
#2604
YES Tails, good job.
MarineKingPrime ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Naniwa ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Morrow
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
August 08 2011 10:26 GMT
#2605
It's on the new map.
NotSoSerious
Profile Joined August 2010
151 Posts
August 08 2011 10:26 GMT
#2606
On August 08 2011 19:26 Hikari wrote:
1-1-1 next game?


Yep.
Really?
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
August 08 2011 10:26 GMT
#2607
On August 08 2011 19:24 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 19:21 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:18 Ocedic wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:15 dani` wrote:
On August 08 2011 19:15 Ocedic wrote:
What's with so much whining from Protoss in this thread? If the strategy was uncounterable then it would be used every game of every match at the highest levels.

Are you saying it is not? In every bo3 TvP it's used at least once by the Terran and it's a win :D


Did you read what I said? Remember back when 5 rax reaper was viable (pre reaper nerf)? It was used virtually EVERY game. If the strategy WAS uncounterable it would be used EVERY game.

It's not, so you're wrong. Stop whining and get better.


Some maps aren't good to 1-1-1 on. Your logic is stupid. You're basically saying, "It's not used in 100% of the games, therefore, it's not uncounterable, l2p". For one thing, most people here don't think it's uncounterable, but just that the skill and effort that takes to counter it far outstrips the skill and effort needed to execute it. And it IS used very, very often, with a very high winrate. Maybe you should go tell Puzzle and SangHo to stop whining and get better since I also saw them complaining about it, and they're not even known for QQ.


Maybe they should stop QQ? There are numerous examples throughout BROOD WAR history where matchups were considered much one sided, then someone (Boxer, Bisu, JulyZerg, Savior, etc) came along and shook up the entire matchup with something new.

But no, modern gamers can't be bothered with that. Let's just cry for nerfs every time a strategy is 'too hard' to counter.


Okay, so basically, you're calling upon historical precedent of a different, arguably better-designed game to justify telling pros to shut up and learn to play. You realize that 1-1-1 has been around for a year, right? It's not a hot new strategy that's taking people by surprise. People have had plenty of time to figure out good counters.
Chibithor
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 10:27:17
August 08 2011 10:26 GMT
#2608
Nice, now we'll see the new map again
ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
August 08 2011 10:26 GMT
#2609
Terrans 1-1-1 because they don't want to mess with Protoss late game.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
August 08 2011 10:26 GMT
#2610
On August 08 2011 19:26 Beyonder wrote:
Tell me there's a huge map incoming. Im a huge slayers fan, but I watn some TERRAN BLOOD!

Daybreak
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 10:27:21
August 08 2011 10:26 GMT
#2611
These guys are casting the GSL and they don't even bother reading the TeamLiquid calender for matches? This is ridiculous...
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
Midgetman101
Profile Joined February 2011
United States825 Posts
August 08 2011 10:27 GMT
#2612
1-1-1 might work on this map
~Terran For Life~
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
August 08 2011 10:27 GMT
#2613
On August 08 2011 19:26 Beyonder wrote:
Tell me there's a huge map incoming. Im a huge slayers fan, but I watn some TERRAN BLOOD!


Daybreak. I think it's not a 1-1-1 friendly map, at least. I want to see more of it before I decide for sure, though.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12042 Posts
August 08 2011 10:27 GMT
#2614
Taeja fighting! SlayerS needs as many players in both codes as possible as SlayerS is so cool :D
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
August 08 2011 10:27 GMT
#2615
Poll: Will we see the 1-1-1?

Yes-Yes-Yes (29)
 
71%

Nope.jpg (12)
 
29%

41 total votes

Your vote: Will we see the 1-1-1?

(Vote): Yes-Yes-Yes
(Vote): Nope.jpg



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sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
August 08 2011 10:27 GMT
#2616
On August 08 2011 19:26 Beyonder wrote:
I bet the protoss is gonna cheese this game, any takers? :D


I'll go with 111 vs protoss standard game.
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Ravomat
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany422 Posts
August 08 2011 10:27 GMT
#2617
On August 08 2011 19:26 Hierarch wrote:
Is that Trivium?


it was

I don't understand why Tails didn't research storm.
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
August 08 2011 10:27 GMT
#2618
On August 08 2011 19:26 Beyonder wrote:
I bet the protoss is gonna cheese this game, any takers? :D

Hope he does.
Phats
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 10:27:55
August 08 2011 10:27 GMT
#2619
wheres the death poll that there will be a 1-1-1!!
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
August 08 2011 10:27 GMT
#2620
On August 08 2011 19:26 Shellshock1122 wrote:
does 1-1-1 work on Daybreak?

Just happen on this map in the earlier group. and yeah they worked very well on DayBreak :D
Terran
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