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bEwArE
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom121 Posts
August 02 2011 09:48 GMT
#1981
Group A and B look nuts
IMMVP #1 Terran
gengka
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia461 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 09:55:57
August 02 2011 09:54 GMT
#1982
On August 02 2011 18:42 roymarthyup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 18:40 gengka wrote:
On August 02 2011 18:26 JKira wrote:
On August 02 2011 18:02 gengka wrote:
On August 02 2011 17:49 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 02 2011 17:44 gengka wrote:
On August 02 2011 17:38 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 02 2011 17:00 tuho12345 wrote:
On August 02 2011 16:55 HolyArrow wrote:
The funny thing is that people assume MC will be able to figure out a consistent counter to the 1-1-1 all-in. It's been around for ages and no Protoss seems to have a consistent answer yet. Why would MC figure something out at such an arbitrary time when the all-in has still been effective for so long?

Well b/c he's MC. The Protoss President. Who has revolutionize the Protoss's play style back in the day he won GSL with 6 gates timing attack, show ppl how to use FFs, Stargates phoenix opening vs both Zerg and terran. If anyone has changed and helped protoss the most, that's must be MC.


Oh, I definitely agree that MC has been the hero of Protoss and seems to have pioneered so many different things for Toss. But that doesn't change the fact that the 1-1-1 all-in has been so effective for so long, thus my doubt that MC will find a way to consistently deal with it in less than a week. But I'd love to be proven wrong, since I'm tired of seeing it work so much.


1-1-1 is not unbeatable. the key is to be able to scout and find out early that he is doing 1-1-1. Early Pressure like 3 or 4 gates, blink stalker rush or fast HT can defeat the build since it has one of the weakest openings (just marines)


I never said it was unbeatable. My point is to mention that no consistent solution has been found. You make it sound so simple and easy to deal with, but it doesn't change the fact that we saw Inca, Tassadar, and anyPro get 1-1-1'd into oblivion in the Up/Downs, we saw MC fall to it when Bomber did it, and IIRC (I may be wrong about this one) Ganzi did it to HuK at MLG Anaheim. We've seen Genius fall to it from Rain a good while back. Puzzle died to it on his stream recently. It's definitely not unbeatable but it's definitely really hard to hold off, which is why I say that no consistent solution has been found for it.


alrite i have to agree with you that its hard to hold off the 1-1-1 timing push. However i would like to bring out the fact that its hard if you are turtling or playing FE. I am actually a terran myself and i have a high win rate against protoss who plays FE without proper scouting. However terran players themselves is also taking a great risk against early pressure/push aggressive play by protoss if they decide to do 1-1-1. Early blink stalkers especially, when they can blink into ur base ignoring ur early wall in, n also targetting down your early banshee easily.


So you're saying the way to beat the 1-1-1 allin is to do a faster allin? :p


its not necessary an all in. but an early pressure/observer play into expansion is better than you do some greedy FE build to hold off 1-1-1. At least u need to be able to defend or preferably kill the first cloacked/uncloacked banshee then it will make life alot harder for the terran.


opening blink stalker is horrible against terran. even if the terran is going 1-1-1. getting a robo too? suicide


i had tested it out. you will have your blink stalkers just slightly later than terran's first banshee is out. and u can surprise the terran, killing his banshee with ur blinks in a blink of an eye lol. After his 1st banshee died, he will need quite some time to prepare his siegetanks and wat more a raven. You will have plenty of time to get prepared or apply more pressure to the terran. Furthermore, if the game is dragged to mid/late game, blink stalkers are good if you blink into their sieged up tanks line, they will hurt themselves with their splash damage. And of course i do not mean that u ONLY have blink stalkers till the end, mix in some psi storms and chargelots for their marines and banshees. yes u will the edge or at least an even game.
I am not making this up tho, i had experienced this just that i dont have replays now
Make Love Not War
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
August 02 2011 11:30 GMT
#1983
groups A, B, C and E are really sick. particularly group B, which I'd call group of death.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Mista_Masta
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands557 Posts
August 02 2011 11:36 GMT
#1984
Group B is definitely the strongest group in theory, with 3 GSL winners. Kinda sad that at least one of them will go to up/down...
darcevader88
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada648 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 12:11:22
August 02 2011 12:10 GMT
#1985
On August 02 2011 20:36 Mista_Masta wrote:
Group B is definitely the strongest group in theory, with 3 GSL winners. Kinda sad that at least one of them will go to up/down...

i thought top 3 didn't go to up/down and only the #4 guy did?
edit: to clarify, i know only 2 go on to the next round but i thought #3 was safe but #4 went to up/down
"The ground is my ocean, I'm the shark and most people don't even know how to swim."
plutonowy
Profile Joined August 2011
Afghanistan287 Posts
August 02 2011 12:15 GMT
#1986
MMA vs Nestea and MC vs MVP LOL
that could be finals of semis easlie ;/
Fan of gomtv code s. Best SC2. KR >>>ALL Tasteless + Artosis >>>ALL
TVUmK
Profile Joined April 2011
United States91 Posts
August 02 2011 12:28 GMT
#1987
Group A looks good, cant wait to see MMA vs NesTea. MMA has shown some great TvZ in the past (notably vs DRG at MLG Anaheim, and vs Losira at MLG Colombus), and it will be cool to see how he fares vs NesTea.
"Just go (freaking) kill him!"-Day9
Nevarix
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden294 Posts
August 02 2011 13:28 GMT
#1988
On August 02 2011 21:10 darcevader88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 20:36 Mista_Masta wrote:
Group B is definitely the strongest group in theory, with 3 GSL winners. Kinda sad that at least one of them will go to up/down...

i thought top 3 didn't go to up/down and only the #4 guy did?
edit: to clarify, i know only 2 go on to the next round but i thought #3 was safe but #4 went to up/down


Assuming that they havent changed the system again, you are correct.
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
August 02 2011 14:58 GMT
#1989
On August 02 2011 21:10 darcevader88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 20:36 Mista_Masta wrote:
Group B is definitely the strongest group in theory, with 3 GSL winners. Kinda sad that at least one of them will go to up/down...

i thought top 3 didn't go to up/down and only the #4 guy did?
edit: to clarify, i know only 2 go on to the next round but i thought #3 was safe but #4 went to up/down

Yes, which is exactly what he just says...
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
Binabik
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany686 Posts
August 02 2011 15:03 GMT
#1990
On August 02 2011 18:54 gengka wrote:
i had tested it out. you will have your blink stalkers just slightly later than terran's first banshee is out. and u can surprise the terran, killing his banshee with ur blinks in a blink of an eye lol. After his 1st banshee died, he will need quite some time to prepare his siegetanks and wat more a raven. You will have plenty of time to get prepared or apply more pressure to the terran. Furthermore, if the game is dragged to mid/late game, blink stalkers are good if you blink into their sieged up tanks line, they will hurt themselves with their splash damage. And of course i do not mean that u ONLY have blink stalkers till the end, mix in some psi storms and chargelots for their marines and banshees. yes u will the edge or at least an even game.
I am not making this up tho, i had experienced this just that i dont have replays now

You won't have any detection for his first banshee ._.
And if your opponent lets his banshee die to Blink Stalkers he's not higher than Diamond.

Psi Storm/Charge/Blink cost 550/550 btw, are you serious? No way you can afford that, because then you don't even have any High Templar...

And we are still talking about someone who could just go for an inbase expansion, because you can't scout him before the 8 minute mark (cloak means that you can't scout with the first observer)
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
August 02 2011 19:05 GMT
#1991
Group B=Group of Death

Though quite frankly all of these groups are stacked...
Entusman #54 (-_-) ||"Gold is for the Mistress-Silver for the Maid-Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade. "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall, But Iron — Cold Iron — is master of them all|| "Optimism is Cowardice."- Oswald Spengler
gideel
Profile Joined January 2011
1503 Posts
August 02 2011 19:25 GMT
#1992
My picks:

Group A:
+ Show Spoiler +
(Z)NesTea
(Z)Kyrix
(T)MMA
(T)Happy


Group B:
+ Show Spoiler +
(P)MC
(T)MVP
(T)Polt
(T)Noblesse


Group C:
+ Show Spoiler +
(T)Bomber
(Z)viOlet
(P)HuK
(P)Killer


Group D:
+ Show Spoiler +
(Z)CoCa
(T)Keen
(T)NaDa
(P)Alicia


Group E:
+ Show Spoiler +
(T)Byun
(Z)Zenio
(T)asd
(P)Puzzle


Group F:
+ Show Spoiler +
(P)Trickster
(T)Ryung
(T)aLive
(T)TOP


Group G:
+ Show Spoiler +
(P)HongUn
(T)Virus
(T)Clide
(T)SuperNoVa


Group H:
+ Show Spoiler +
(Z)LosirA
(T)Ensnare
(Z)July
(P)Genius

Bezelheim
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada61 Posts
August 02 2011 19:33 GMT
#1993
On August 02 2011 23:58 NexUmbra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 21:10 darcevader88 wrote:
On August 02 2011 20:36 Mista_Masta wrote:
Group B is definitely the strongest group in theory, with 3 GSL winners. Kinda sad that at least one of them will go to up/down...

i thought top 3 didn't go to up/down and only the #4 guy did?
edit: to clarify, i know only 2 go on to the next round but i thought #3 was safe but #4 went to up/down

Yes, which is exactly what he just says...


He says "...3 GSL winners. Kinda sad that at least one of them will go to up/down...". There are 4 players in a group. He's saying that one of the GSL winners must go to up/down, meaning either the fourth member is going to make it (no way to know that, and the chances are very unlikely anyway), or that two people are going down.

Go MVP and MC, two of my favorite players!
wolfe
Profile Joined March 2010
United States761 Posts
August 02 2011 23:33 GMT
#1994
Sick... sick groups... compare code S now to it was 1 year ago. World of difference in caliber. Now imagine next year. :D
Swift as the wind, felt before noticed.
sisternx
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden61 Posts
August 03 2011 01:16 GMT
#1995
Ah good matches right off the start i want to see mma vs nestea and mc vs mvp :p
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
August 03 2011 01:23 GMT
#1996
Damn, I'm trying to listen to the vods for nominations but the music in the background is killing me. Wonder why they added it.
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