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Cant believe theres so much hate in these threads while we're so blessed with a wonderful event, with wonderful games. Last warning, whine and insult the players or commentators? See you.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
July 31 2011 23:33 GMT
#10261
Where did people get this idea that TvT is a coinflip?
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
July 31 2011 23:33 GMT
#10262
On August 01 2011 08:26 Robinsa wrote:
I know djwheat and co says that bringing Koreans to the events does increase the competition but I'm not even going to watch an all korean Bo 4. MLG bringing in more and more Koreans every time is slowly ruining the event and by that foreign esport. Who benefits from people losing interest and all the money going to Korea?

Other then this I love MLG and the games where I can see my favorite players compete with great casting / production.



Thank god, all major tournies started inviting Koreans.
I simply don't watch when a tour is consisted only by foreigns.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
SxYSpAz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1451 Posts
July 31 2011 23:34 GMT
#10263
On August 01 2011 08:32 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 08:30 TheSilverfox wrote:
GSL Next season:
Terran = 53% (17 Terrans)
Protoss = 25% (8 Protoss)
Zerg = 22% (7 Zerg)

Prepare for a TvT August! :D


GSL Next season:
Nestea = 1
Not Nestea = 31


haha, best post ever. so true. i don't care how much T dominance there is at this MLG, you have to realize nestea wasn't here
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
July 31 2011 23:34 GMT
#10264
so much down time... grrrr. hope they start soon
babyToSS
Profile Joined December 2009
233 Posts
July 31 2011 23:34 GMT
#10265
On August 01 2011 08:17 leo23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 08:16 Gamegene wrote:
AAA fuck.

Boxer vs Student in the finals of a big tournament?

REMEMBER LAST TIME?

[image loading]


what's the story of this one??


Boxer vs iloveoov and the very thorough establishment of the fact that strong macro play trumps micro/cute play unit compositions etc.
babyToSS here! Can u go easy on me plzzz?
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
July 31 2011 23:34 GMT
#10266
On August 01 2011 08:33 happyness wrote:
Since DRG lost to MMA and MVP(2-1 in both series) it means he's overrated!? Come on people, stop being so fucking ignorant. He's still one of the best zerg's in the world.

The roach hydra thing though really wasn't good though, I will admit that.


Because he lost those 4 games hard. Even though MMA lost like 20 marines to two banelings and killed his own CC. The only games he won were on Dual Sight, enough said.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
Teejing
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany1360 Posts
July 31 2011 23:34 GMT
#10267
Got i am so disappointed now , would have loved to see a zerg go to the finals. >.< yea im selfish~~
QuantumPhysX
Profile Joined January 2011
Philippines273 Posts
July 31 2011 23:34 GMT
#10268
If only DRG stuck to his Mutalisk play!
A man once asked me if I saw the glass half empty or half full. I turned and said, "Neither. I see a glass twice as big as it should be."
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 31 2011 23:34 GMT
#10269
On August 01 2011 08:33 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 08:26 Robinsa wrote:
I know djwheat and co says that bringing Koreans to the events does increase the competition but I'm not even going to watch an all korean Bo 4. MLG bringing in more and more Koreans every time is slowly ruining the event and by that foreign esport. Who benefits from people losing interest and all the money going to Korea?

Other then this I love MLG and the games where I can see my favorite players compete with great casting / production.



Thank god, all major tournies started inviting Koreans.
I simply don't watch when a tour is consisted only by foreigns.


I don't like watching my money go to the best players of the world either.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Spiner
Profile Joined February 2011
United States360 Posts
July 31 2011 23:35 GMT
#10270
On August 01 2011 08:32 cursor wrote:
The Koreans winning is actually a really good for SC2 as a game. With the work they put in, it produces more predictable results, and that means the game is a lot more solid, has an ever expanding skill ceiling, and isn't as volatile in the early game as we may have thought 6 months ago.

I'm considering making a good thread on why its a good sign for the game, and relating it to BroodWar, competitive play, and "bonjwa" status players- if I get the time.


Yeah the less luck based this game is the better overall
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 31 2011 23:35 GMT
#10271
On August 01 2011 08:33 NotSorry wrote:
Where did people get this idea that TvT is a coinflip?

nobody thinks tvt is a coinflip

i'm pretty sure the people that hate tvts are the terrans, because of how long/frustrating/tiring/confusing/HARD tvt is

just like how zergs hate zvz and protoss hate pvp
i actually really enjoy tvt, as a protoss myself
lalala
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
July 31 2011 23:35 GMT
#10272
On August 01 2011 08:33 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 08:26 Robinsa wrote:
I know djwheat and co says that bringing Koreans to the events does increase the competition but I'm not even going to watch an all korean Bo 4. MLG bringing in more and more Koreans every time is slowly ruining the event and by that foreign esport. Who benefits from people losing interest and all the money going to Korea?

Other then this I love MLG and the games where I can see my favorite players compete with great casting / production.



Thank god, all major tournies started inviting Koreans.
I simply don't watch when a tour is consisted only by foreigns.


Yeah, I mean it's nice to cheer for your favorite players, but at the end of the day, you know they are still nothing compared to Koreans .
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
parker-
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany285 Posts
July 31 2011 23:35 GMT
#10273
On August 01 2011 08:32 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 08:32 parker- wrote:
On August 01 2011 08:29 zaii wrote:
LOL MMA killed his own CC again vs DRG! Sacrificing CC's to the SC gods for wins!

[image loading]

mutas still alive


Check out that concave.

That is not a muta killing concave.

Also note they are not moving.

thats the funny thing about it, u know?
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9027 Posts
July 31 2011 23:35 GMT
#10274
Nestea is right.
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
July 31 2011 23:35 GMT
#10275
On August 01 2011 08:33 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 08:26 Zinthar wrote:
On August 01 2011 08:23 Chicane wrote:
On August 01 2011 08:20 HolyArrow wrote:
DRG loses to MVP and MMA, suddenly he's overrated. LOL, people really have no idea what they're talking about. DRG may be Code B, but he clearly exhibits play capable of hanging with Code S-caliber players.


I don't see anyone saying he isn't Code S quality, but people treating him like a god when he has similar results to MMA makes him overrated (not because of the comparison to MMA, but because he is treated like the best player in the world when he's not)

Yes he is a VERY solid player who has a lot of potential... I don't see anyone denying that.


He's treated as a top 5 zerg player in the world, because he probably is.

Terrans make up over 50% of Code S, so it's hard to say whether MMA is similarly in the highest echelon of them (he probably is) because there's Bomber, Mvp, Byun, Clide, MKP, sC, Ryung, etc. etc.

This. MMA and DRG are about equal. But because there are about a billion incredible Terran players in Korea, and Zerg have a few (ridiculously) good top tier players, DRG gets all the attention. For me, in Zerg rankings it goes Nestea, who is a long way above Losira, who is a long way above DRG.


DRG isn't overrated so to speak, just a bit overhyped up for this tournament. MMA and DRG from what I've seen are pretty much equal in skill. MVP is just a whole step above DRG, but that's a given granted he's a 2 time gsl champ.
The Notorious Winkles
koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
July 31 2011 23:35 GMT
#10276
On August 01 2011 08:16 dcsoda wrote:
Show nested quote +
Lol at people that think that DRG is in the same league as Losira and Nestea.
Just no.
He's not even close


From the finals Losira isn't in the same league as Nestea either. DRG is really good, let it go.

yea, that and the fact that DRG only loses to MMA in televised games. Has Nestea ever vsed MMA? No. What if nestea vsed mma, and got crushed by mma's multitasking, like how losira got owned by mma? We have yet to see a mma vs nestea, and if nestea got owned by oGsTOP, then he can definitely lose to MMA.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
July 31 2011 23:35 GMT
#10277
On August 01 2011 08:26 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 08:23 Talin wrote:
On August 01 2011 08:20 HolyArrow wrote:
DRG loses to MVP and MMA, suddenly he's overrated. LOL, people really have no idea what they're talking about. DRG may be Code B, but he clearly exhibits play capable of hanging with Code S-caliber players.


That's just the TL logic of ranking players.

Nobody bothers to rate players by the games they play, people just look at achievement lists and use it as a be all end all argument. -_-

I got used to it already.


Well I watched all his games this tournament and he seems to be doing the same thing all the time and when his muta-harass and counterattacks get shut down he looks lost.


Doing same thing all the time isn't a bad thing, and it's only going to be more normal as the metagame stabilizes. All this ground breaking innovation every month or two and people trying dozens of conceptually different strategies is going to wear off pretty soon. It's also the first reason why you can't put much faith in tournament results in first 1-2 years of SC2 to determine the most skilled players.

DRG and MMA are both fundamentally good players, which so many players (even in Korea) that have had greater success and even won tournaments are just not, in comparison.

They could both be in Code A/B for another year, but eventually they'll replace the stock of current Code S players who can't multitask or macro at a high enough level if their life depended on it.
xN.07)MaK
Profile Joined January 2006
Spain1159 Posts
July 31 2011 23:35 GMT
#10278
On August 01 2011 08:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 08:21 BoomNasty wrote:
they need to stop sending over 4 koreans for pool play.... i know its cool and all seeing them play, but i want to see more foreigners in contention

So do I, but the problem isn't koreans coming over, its foreigners not being good enough.


The real problem is not skill but performance in tournaments. How Naniwa was eliminated was embarrassing, 1base void ray in first game and hidden gold expo in second. Usually this top tier players don't make such mistakes but for some reason they do against koreans.
El micro es el último recurso que les queda a los que no producen lo suficiente
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 31 2011 23:35 GMT
#10279
On August 01 2011 08:34 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 08:33 happyness wrote:
Since DRG lost to MMA and MVP(2-1 in both series) it means he's overrated!? Come on people, stop being so fucking ignorant. He's still one of the best zerg's in the world.

The roach hydra thing though really wasn't good though, I will admit that.


Because he lost those 4 games hard. Even though MMA lost like 20 marines to two banelings and killed his own CC. The only games he won were on Dual Sight, enough said.

I wouldn't say hard. If he didn't barely lose his 3rd that hard contain game he would've won, Hydras made no sense, yeah, and MVP is a fucking beast.
Aetherial
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia917 Posts
July 31 2011 23:35 GMT
#10280
Hmm they are running a little late...
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