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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 20 2011 12:58 GMT
#2401
Byun already won his dog. He can now lose with no regrets.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 20 2011 12:59 GMT
#2402
Fuck yea Byun. You are the most underrated badass in this whole tournament. Some people were complaining/flaming me for saying Bomber wouldnt win 3-0 or 3-1 and that Byun had a chance to take this. I LOVE you TvZ Byun. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make this an epic GSL semifinals (the typical "real" final with the series that goes to every game thats 10x better than what happens in the next round). No offense to Hongun vs Nestea but I just don't expect that matchup to be anything exciting.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 20 2011 12:59 GMT
#2403
On July 20 2011 21:58 Fionn wrote:
Byun already won his dog. He can now lose with no regrets.

F that. he's going all the way
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skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
July 20 2011 13:01 GMT
#2404
You guys won't be disappointed from bomber because he just gave you the best Semi Finals match up and potential best finals Losira/Byun and Nestea/Byun.
We got them GOM TvT's and them mlGG's
TheSilverfox
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden1928 Posts
July 20 2011 13:01 GMT
#2405
On July 20 2011 19:50 TheSilverfox wrote:
I wouldn't count out Byun so easy. Zenex is a Up & coming team and we might see an upset here...


It feels so good to be kinda right for once :D. But at the same time I'm a bit sad that we won't be able to watch an epic NesTea vs Bomber final.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 20 2011 13:01 GMT
#2406
On July 20 2011 21:29 EaryKing wrote:
Byun: "Terran is OP" lol

It must be. No other race would 3-0 bomber
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Quintum_
Profile Joined May 2011
United States669 Posts
July 20 2011 13:01 GMT
#2407
On July 20 2011 21:58 Fionn wrote:
Byun already won his dog. He can now lose with no regrets.


Even if he would of lost today he would of won $ 2,800, last time i checked that is enough to get a dog. What was he aiming for, a world class show dog cause that is only dog that would cost 3 grand xp.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 20 2011 13:02 GMT
#2408
On July 20 2011 21:51 Eufouria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 21:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:37 Eufouria wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:36 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:33 Jehct wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:30 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I'm seriously disappointed that bomber decided to attack there after losing all his scvs. That was definitely not his only way out when you have 3 ocs and 1 making and a near max army or an army that would have been maxed if he didn't lose like 50 scvs...


Sitting back on turtling when you're down 50scvs probably isn't the best idea either. It's a clutch call and it didn't pay off. If it had people would be calling him a genius. Accept he lost the game and move on; there is no right decision in that situation.

He won't be in a good position at all, but he has a very big army so that byun can't move out without being super careful and slow so that alone will buy him enough time. Also harder for byun to take a 4th in that situation so it's not like he's gonna be jumping ahead in economy once they both mine out their main and natural. Like tastosis said he actually did end up catching back up in scvs very quickly but just didn't have the army to defend.

I wouldn't have minded if he lost regularly, but that was a huge choke and totally impatient move by bomber there to attack into sieged tanks rather than at least try to take out byuns 3rd again or catch them out of siege.

That was nearly the best engagement he could have hoped for. If he waited longer his army wouldn't be that much bigger and Byun would be maxed and moved out into a better position.

That's just not true because bomber had a near maxed army before he lost scvs so the only hit was to his economy. It was actually the worst engagement he could ask for, byun was well sieged, had maximum vision, and had all his siege tanks there ready. You don't want to attack into a near maxed mech army full of siege tanks even if you're well spread.

Byun has no choice to move out slowly even though he would have had a huge economic lead, you just can't rush into a maxed marauder sieged army and plan on remaxing while the other guy can't because they'll be 20x more cost efficient and have so much left over to roll you with.

I can't really discuss this because I'd at least need to see the VoD again, but the point is that when you are in a situation where your economy gets wrecked you are on a ticking clock. Every minute you get further behind. Bomber had a decent sized army, but soon Byun's army would have been too strong to ever engage so he needed to attack soon and not only crush Byun's army, but be able to kill him right there or at least wreck his economy too.

You'd be right in most situations but the thing is they were both near to max so his army wasn't really going to actually get stronger and magically roll over bomber's. He'd have stockpiled a lot more resources than bomber, and that in itself is a pretty important lead, but he scanned byun being in position with a ton of siege tanks, and if he looked at that scenario over in his head again in a better state of mind there is no way he'd ever think that he had a possibility of winning that engagement. There's just better options to make, and because it took him so long to gg I don't think that that was a last ditch effort sort of thing.

He could have looped around to byun's 3rd, deny that expansion possibly, and if byun splits his army then bomber will roll through it easily. I guess he felt he killed off a lot of helion supply so he wanted to engage as fast as possible, but man, I just don't see how that engagement could have ever worked.
JBanKs
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom617 Posts
July 20 2011 13:02 GMT
#2409
Damn I so expected Bomber to win, gz to Byun
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Genie1
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada333 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 13:06:55
July 20 2011 13:03 GMT
#2410
On July 20 2011 21:34 TranceStorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 21:32 Genie1 wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:30 blooblooblahblah wrote:
On July 20 2011 21:28 Genie1 wrote:
After this match I wouldn't be surprised if bomber retires after this game. His nerves got to him to easily really I thought he had this in the bag.


wtf..


Its not new either players in brood war have done it when losing this close to the semi finals and just can't take it anymore.

Wait. Name some brood war players who were capable of getting to Starleague quarterfinals who retired immediately after a poor result? Most players retired after they were past their prime, I don't think I ever recall a player immediately retiring after a particularly hurtful defeat.


Here you go

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/V-Gundam
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Freemura
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/GGPlay

Note: These are players who lost badly and quit shortly after these games or right after the game.
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Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
July 20 2011 13:04 GMT
#2411
I walked off at 2-0, came back and almost died from shock.

damnit byun stop winning
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 20 2011 13:04 GMT
#2412
On July 20 2011 22:01 TheSilverfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 19:50 TheSilverfox wrote:
I wouldn't count out Byun so easy. Zenex is a Up & coming team and we might see an upset here...


It feels so good to be kinda right for once :D. But at the same time I'm a bit sad that we won't be able to watch an epic NesTea vs Bomber final.

Zenex going for the title sweep!
Don't be too sad about missing out on Nestea vs Bomber. Their last meeting, unfortunately, wasn't too epic. There is still hope, though. Byun has played some absolutely fantastic TvZs with Zenio, mainly the two on Terminus. He seems to be one of the few Terrans smart enough to bust out the ghosts. Hopefully he doesnt trap himself against his tanks and lose this time like he did in the group stage. I'm excited about his Losira games since Losira seems to be suddenly able to TvZ as well.

On a side note.... Is this the first finals that will have a code A finalist in it? (Not counting MVP since he was in Code S finals BEFORE his code A finals)
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6255 Posts
July 20 2011 13:06 GMT
#2413
Hohoho, my post in the underrated players thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=244757&currentpage=28#541

Byun - A player with no real weak matchup and have been showing decent results, while getting better and better. Yet, I feel ppl don't think highly of him.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
July 20 2011 13:07 GMT
#2414
Nestea, Losira, Byun and uhhh... HongUn. Any finals will be a good one as long as it doesn't have HongUn in it.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Schmexi
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden341 Posts
July 20 2011 13:08 GMT
#2415
On July 20 2011 22:01 TheSilverfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 19:50 TheSilverfox wrote:
I wouldn't count out Byun so easy. Zenex is a Up & coming team and we might see an upset here...


It feels so good to be kinda right for once :D. But at the same time I'm a bit sad that we won't be able to watch an epic NesTea vs Bomber final.


To be honest Byun vs Nestea would be a much better final if Bomber vs Nestea in the ST was any indication of how the match will go.
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
July 20 2011 13:09 GMT
#2416
On July 20 2011 22:07 Djagulingu wrote:
Nestea, Losira, Byun and uhhh... HongUn. Any finals will be a good one as long as it doesn't have HongUn in it.

Hongun and Nestea. Because both of them are major downers.

To quote... ahem.. ."i answered that question already"
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
July 20 2011 13:11 GMT
#2417
I, for one, cannot wait for a Hongun vs Byun finals.
KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
July 20 2011 13:12 GMT
#2418
Bomber must have thought it was a best-of-three match, because he looked like he had absolutely nothing planned at all for the remaining three games.

Very interesting performance from him, being godlike in the first two sets then losing the rest like a low Masters.
Will always cheer for: MMA Bomber Taeja Curious Life herO Zest
MrSweetNess
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia312 Posts
July 20 2011 13:13 GMT
#2419
On July 20 2011 22:09 thepuppyassassin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 22:07 Djagulingu wrote:
Nestea, Losira, Byun and uhhh... HongUn. Any finals will be a good one as long as it doesn't have HongUn in it.

Hongun and Nestea. Because both of them are major downers.

To quote... ahem.. ."i answered that question already"


I don't know about you, but I tend to judge finals on the games, not the interviews.

NesTea might not be the most entertaining person to interview, but he is damn sure the best player left. Would be a travesty if he didn't make the finals.
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lurked
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada918 Posts
July 20 2011 13:13 GMT
#2420
On July 20 2011 22:01 Quintum_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 21:58 Fionn wrote:
Byun already won his dog. He can now lose with no regrets.


Even if he would of lost today he would of won $ 2,800, last time i checked that is enough to get a dog. What was he aiming for, a world class show dog cause that is only dog that would cost 3 grand xp.

...

It's for the privilege of having a dog in the team house... Not simply to buy a dog...

When you live with 10ish people, you can't simply head out and buy a dog that will be living with all of you in the team house...
Magic is "just" magic until I get my hands on the source code.
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