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On August 04 2011 19:54 HeIios wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 19:53 ellirc wrote:
but it's a bit disappointing that I can't watch swedish players play without commentators in a language I understand. Start learning other languages, the world doesn't revolve around you. Hugs and kisses.
I knew you would reply specifically to that sentence.
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On August 04 2011 19:45 Mioraka wrote:
Dude I wanna be european, casting games while drinking beer? What is this awesomeness......
If you are talking about Khaldor, he is most probably not drinking beer, but energy drinks. I can't watch the stream, 'cause I am at work, but he always drinks energy drinks. And he already explained this about 1000 times to his stream viewers, because everybody always thinks he is getting hammered.
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On August 04 2011 19:55 ellirc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 19:54 HeIios wrote:On August 04 2011 19:53 ellirc wrote:
but it's a bit disappointing that I can't watch swedish players play without commentators in a language I understand. Start learning other languages, the world doesn't revolve around you. Hugs and kisses. I knew you would reply specifically to that sentence.
You are a mind reader good sir.
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On August 04 2011 19:55 Shirohige wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 19:45 Mioraka wrote:
Dude I wanna be european, casting games while drinking beer? What is this awesomeness...... If you are talking about Khaldor, he is most probably not drinking beer, but energy drinks. I can't watch the stream, 'cause I am at work, but he always drinks energy drinks. And he already explained this about 1000 times to his stream viewers, because everybody always thinks he is getting hammered.
Take on the other hand is hammering himself sometimes pretty hard while commentating/streaming  .
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SarenS is probably the strongest player in Sen's group, outside of Sen of course, so that should be a good match. In the mean time, Dimaga and Morrow both look to be doing quite well. I think Zergs will have a good showing this Assembly, though Huk and/or Nada may tear them up.
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On August 04 2011 19:55 Shirohige wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 19:45 Mioraka wrote:
Dude I wanna be european, casting games while drinking beer? What is this awesomeness...... If you are talking about Khaldor, he is most probably not drinking beer, but energy drinks. I can't watch the stream, 'cause I am at work, but he always drinks energy drinks. And he already explained this about 1000 times to his stream viewers, because everybody always thinks he is getting hammered.
Damn, wasn't following him so i wouldn't know....but I swear those bottles look exactly like beer....lol
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when i'm grandmaster, iwill play faster
they call me bonjwa, just like my name was flash
like this song^^
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On August 04 2011 19:57 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 19:55 Shirohige wrote:On August 04 2011 19:45 Mioraka wrote:
Dude I wanna be european, casting games while drinking beer? What is this awesomeness...... If you are talking about Khaldor, he is most probably not drinking beer, but energy drinks. I can't watch the stream, 'cause I am at work, but he always drinks energy drinks. And he already explained this about 1000 times to his stream viewers, because everybody always thinks he is getting hammered. Take on the other hand is hammering himself sometimes pretty hard while commentating/streaming .
True! Take is an awesome guy. Met him at the homestory cup in Krefeld. He deserves every single beer (or vodka) while he streams.
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On August 04 2011 19:58 TaoTeKing wrote:
when i'm grandmaster, iwill play faster
they call me bonjwa, just like my name was flash
like this song^^
GTR probably hates this song.
"Teamliquid has arrived" BOOOM.Go HuK!
+ Show Spoiler +
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Are there going to be results up for this tournament on the LR or do I have to go on the assembly website?
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On August 04 2011 19:59 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 19:58 TaoTeKing wrote:
when i'm grandmaster, iwill play faster
they call me bonjwa, just like my name was flash
like this song^^ GTR probably hates this song. "Teamliquid has arrived" BOOOM.Go HuK! + Show Spoiler +
Consuming a plastic bottle before his games to power up!
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On August 04 2011 19:57 Azarkon wrote:
SarenS is probably the strongest player in Sen's group, outside of Sen of course, so that should be a good match. In the mean time, Dimaga and Morrow both look to be doing quite well. I think Zergs will have a good showing this Assembly, though Huk and/or Nada may tear them up.
If anything Sen and Dimaga both has records of beating the best of the best Koreans. (In ZvZ, I know, but still....one can always have hope....)
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I feel like when it comes to Dimaga it just matters "which" Dimaga shows up.. The one that falls out early or the one that somehow beat Nesta .
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On August 04 2011 19:43 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 19:25 BackSideAttack wrote:On August 04 2011 19:16 bgx wrote:On August 04 2011 19:08 Jakkerr wrote:On August 04 2011 19:04 hewley wrote:On August 04 2011 19:00 Jakkerr wrote:On August 04 2011 18:58 Swagasaurus wrote:On August 04 2011 18:52 Jakkerr wrote:
People should stop whining about the 'lack' of Koreans.
If u want 10+ Koreans at every tourney and have them take all the topspots u don't support the foreign scene and don't want it to grow.
Guess what, the 'foreign scene' is behind the korean scene in every way and it's simply not gonna catch up by itself.
If you keep giving all money to koreans the foreign scene is gonna keep falling more and more behind and in 2-3 years maybe there won't be any foreign players that even stand a chance in KR. This is one of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen on TL. Please don't post when you don't know what you're talking about. Ah, that's why a lot of progamers are getting demotivated to even go to LANS. I have allready heard on multiple streams from the best players in the world: 'Why bother to go to that tourney, theres like 5 koreans coming' yeah why bother practicing, why can't they just hand us our checks and prizes see what I did there... Ur missing the point though, I don't say they should do that at all. But at the moment it just feels like people from a division lower are competing vs people they are never gonna beat in this situation anyway, mostly because for 90% of those people it's simply not possible to practice 10-12 hours a day since they need to make a living too. I don't think the foreign scene will get any better from getting stomped by koreans on every occasion. oh stop it for all of them its a job, they still get paid, they still win online cups, if they want to get bigger piece of pie they need to step up their game and win vs decent opponents, the difference is NOT that big, and top foreigners already proved it by taking games/series, its just their dedication limiting them, its funny because it shouldnt be the case when it is their freaking job to be the best its not about their mood to compete with koreans if we isolate foreigner tournaments from Korea the difference will be even bigger and every international tournament gonna get stomped (see BW) The mentality that the difference is not that big was valid during Beta and has slowly been disproved as time goes on. After MLG just had top 6 Koreans and a number 7 Korean trained foreigner, you really can't say the gap isn't THAT big. Also if you look at a lot of the games that foreigners took off of Koreans at recent tournaments, they are mostly cause of luck. For example: 1. Sjow took a game off of July by transitioning to dual port banshee after getting banneling busted and taking heavy damage 2. Losira losing a game to Incontrol playing with only a mouse. 3. MMA losing a game to Drewbie when it was lagging really hard. And if you want to take into consideration online play, Koreans still roll foreigners WITH lag. The players you mentioned arent even the top3 in their own countries, of course it were flukes, i meant that there are players much better who are underperforming. What we want now is example of foreigners beating koreans. Isolation means insta-defeat. At least put up a fight. Of course you can see the results and see that Koreans are far cry above foreigners but when you see the games, its not that scary as you portray.
I only mentioned those examples because they were some of the few times foreigners took games off of the Koreans. In particular, I used the prior examples because results aren't everything; even though the foreigners won the game, it was due to outside factors, or luck. If you only want to look at Top 3 players, then the reality becomes even more grim.
1. Losira and MMA both 2-0 Naniwa
2. Boxer 2-0s Idra, Zenio 4-0 against Idra.
3. MVP 2-0s Select
4. Ret loses to MMA 2-0
5. KiwiKaki losing to Ganzi 2-0
If Top Foreigners can't even beat mediocre Koreans like Boxer, Ganzi, Zenio, or even Moon, how can you say the gap isn't huge.
The closest thing to a competitive game you have is Thorzain vs MC (4-2 in favor of MC) and ever since after MLG Columbus, Thorzain hasn't accomplished anything.
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Anyone know what that music was? Really wanna know.
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On August 04 2011 20:05 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 19:43 bgx wrote:On August 04 2011 19:25 BackSideAttack wrote:On August 04 2011 19:16 bgx wrote:On August 04 2011 19:08 Jakkerr wrote:On August 04 2011 19:04 hewley wrote:On August 04 2011 19:00 Jakkerr wrote:On August 04 2011 18:58 Swagasaurus wrote:On August 04 2011 18:52 Jakkerr wrote:
People should stop whining about the 'lack' of Koreans.
If u want 10+ Koreans at every tourney and have them take all the topspots u don't support the foreign scene and don't want it to grow.
Guess what, the 'foreign scene' is behind the korean scene in every way and it's simply not gonna catch up by itself.
If you keep giving all money to koreans the foreign scene is gonna keep falling more and more behind and in 2-3 years maybe there won't be any foreign players that even stand a chance in KR. This is one of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen on TL. Please don't post when you don't know what you're talking about. Ah, that's why a lot of progamers are getting demotivated to even go to LANS. I have allready heard on multiple streams from the best players in the world: 'Why bother to go to that tourney, theres like 5 koreans coming' yeah why bother practicing, why can't they just hand us our checks and prizes see what I did there... Ur missing the point though, I don't say they should do that at all. But at the moment it just feels like people from a division lower are competing vs people they are never gonna beat in this situation anyway, mostly because for 90% of those people it's simply not possible to practice 10-12 hours a day since they need to make a living too. I don't think the foreign scene will get any better from getting stomped by koreans on every occasion. oh stop it for all of them its a job, they still get paid, they still win online cups, if they want to get bigger piece of pie they need to step up their game and win vs decent opponents, the difference is NOT that big, and top foreigners already proved it by taking games/series, its just their dedication limiting them, its funny because it shouldnt be the case when it is their freaking job to be the best its not about their mood to compete with koreans if we isolate foreigner tournaments from Korea the difference will be even bigger and every international tournament gonna get stomped (see BW) The mentality that the difference is not that big was valid during Beta and has slowly been disproved as time goes on. After MLG just had top 6 Koreans and a number 7 Korean trained foreigner, you really can't say the gap isn't THAT big. Also if you look at a lot of the games that foreigners took off of Koreans at recent tournaments, they are mostly cause of luck. For example: 1. Sjow took a game off of July by transitioning to dual port banshee after getting banneling busted and taking heavy damage 2. Losira losing a game to Incontrol playing with only a mouse. 3. MMA losing a game to Drewbie when it was lagging really hard. And if you want to take into consideration online play, Koreans still roll foreigners WITH lag. The players you mentioned arent even the top3 in their own countries, of course it were flukes, i meant that there are players much better who are underperforming. What we want now is example of foreigners beating koreans. Isolation means insta-defeat. At least put up a fight. Of course you can see the results and see that Koreans are far cry above foreigners but when you see the games, its not that scary as you portray. I only mentioned those examples because they were some of the few times foreigners took games off of the Koreans. In particular, I used the prior examples because results aren't everything; even though the foreigners won the game, it was due to outside factors, or luck. If you only want to look at Top 3 players, then the reality becomes even more grim. 1. Losira and MMA both 2-0 Naniwa 2. Boxer 2-0s Idra, Zenio 4-0 against Idra. 3. MVP 2-0s Select 4. Ret loses to MMA 2-0 5. KiwiKaki losing to Ganzi 2-0 If Top Foreigners can't even beat mediocre Koreans like Boxer, Ganzi, Zenio, or even Moon, how can you say the gap isn't huge. The closest thing to a competitive game you have is Thorzain vs MC (4-2 in favor of MC) and ever since after MLG Columbus, Thorzain hasn't accomplished anything. Also, go look at the games between MMA and Socke at MLG Anaheim. MMA got a 50 supply macro lead doing the same build, while constantly multitasking with harassment. If you actually watch any of the games, Korean mechanics and strategies at this point are vastly superior to their foreign counterparts. Oops meant to edit but ended up quoting instead.
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On August 04 2011 20:05 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 19:43 bgx wrote:On August 04 2011 19:25 BackSideAttack wrote:On August 04 2011 19:16 bgx wrote:On August 04 2011 19:08 Jakkerr wrote:On August 04 2011 19:04 hewley wrote:On August 04 2011 19:00 Jakkerr wrote:On August 04 2011 18:58 Swagasaurus wrote:On August 04 2011 18:52 Jakkerr wrote:
People should stop whining about the 'lack' of Koreans.
If u want 10+ Koreans at every tourney and have them take all the topspots u don't support the foreign scene and don't want it to grow.
Guess what, the 'foreign scene' is behind the korean scene in every way and it's simply not gonna catch up by itself.
If you keep giving all money to koreans the foreign scene is gonna keep falling more and more behind and in 2-3 years maybe there won't be any foreign players that even stand a chance in KR. This is one of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen on TL. Please don't post when you don't know what you're talking about. Ah, that's why a lot of progamers are getting demotivated to even go to LANS. I have allready heard on multiple streams from the best players in the world: 'Why bother to go to that tourney, theres like 5 koreans coming' yeah why bother practicing, why can't they just hand us our checks and prizes see what I did there... Ur missing the point though, I don't say they should do that at all. But at the moment it just feels like people from a division lower are competing vs people they are never gonna beat in this situation anyway, mostly because for 90% of those people it's simply not possible to practice 10-12 hours a day since they need to make a living too. I don't think the foreign scene will get any better from getting stomped by koreans on every occasion. oh stop it for all of them its a job, they still get paid, they still win online cups, if they want to get bigger piece of pie they need to step up their game and win vs decent opponents, the difference is NOT that big, and top foreigners already proved it by taking games/series, its just their dedication limiting them, its funny because it shouldnt be the case when it is their freaking job to be the best its not about their mood to compete with koreans if we isolate foreigner tournaments from Korea the difference will be even bigger and every international tournament gonna get stomped (see BW) The mentality that the difference is not that big was valid during Beta and has slowly been disproved as time goes on. After MLG just had top 6 Koreans and a number 7 Korean trained foreigner, you really can't say the gap isn't THAT big. Also if you look at a lot of the games that foreigners took off of Koreans at recent tournaments, they are mostly cause of luck. For example: 1. Sjow took a game off of July by transitioning to dual port banshee after getting banneling busted and taking heavy damage 2. Losira losing a game to Incontrol playing with only a mouse. 3. MMA losing a game to Drewbie when it was lagging really hard. And if you want to take into consideration online play, Koreans still roll foreigners WITH lag. The players you mentioned arent even the top3 in their own countries, of course it were flukes, i meant that there are players much better who are underperforming. What we want now is example of foreigners beating koreans. Isolation means insta-defeat. At least put up a fight. Of course you can see the results and see that Koreans are far cry above foreigners but when you see the games, its not that scary as you portray. I only mentioned those examples because they were some of the few times foreigners took games off of the Koreans. In particular, I used the prior examples because results aren't everything; even though the foreigners won the game, it was due to outside factors, or luck. If you only want to look at Top 3 players, then the reality becomes even more grim. 1. Losira and MMA both 2-0 Naniwa 2. Boxer 2-0s Idra, Zenio 4-0 against Idra. 3. MVP 2-0s Select 4. Ret loses to MMA 2-0 5. KiwiKaki losing to Ganzi 2-0 If Top Foreigners can't even beat mediocre Koreans like Boxer, Ganzi, Zenio, or even Moon, how can you say the gap isn't huge. The closest thing to a competitive game you have is Thorzain vs MC (4-2 in favor of MC) and ever since after MLG Columbus, Thorzain hasn't accomplished anything.
White-Ra has been doing quite well vs mc. lost 4-3 in dreamhack for example
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On August 04 2011 20:05 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 19:43 bgx wrote:On August 04 2011 19:25 BackSideAttack wrote:On August 04 2011 19:16 bgx wrote:On August 04 2011 19:08 Jakkerr wrote:On August 04 2011 19:04 hewley wrote:On August 04 2011 19:00 Jakkerr wrote:On August 04 2011 18:58 Swagasaurus wrote:On August 04 2011 18:52 Jakkerr wrote:
People should stop whining about the 'lack' of Koreans.
If u want 10+ Koreans at every tourney and have them take all the topspots u don't support the foreign scene and don't want it to grow.
Guess what, the 'foreign scene' is behind the korean scene in every way and it's simply not gonna catch up by itself.
If you keep giving all money to koreans the foreign scene is gonna keep falling more and more behind and in 2-3 years maybe there won't be any foreign players that even stand a chance in KR. This is one of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen on TL. Please don't post when you don't know what you're talking about. Ah, that's why a lot of progamers are getting demotivated to even go to LANS. I have allready heard on multiple streams from the best players in the world: 'Why bother to go to that tourney, theres like 5 koreans coming' yeah why bother practicing, why can't they just hand us our checks and prizes see what I did there... Ur missing the point though, I don't say they should do that at all. But at the moment it just feels like people from a division lower are competing vs people they are never gonna beat in this situation anyway, mostly because for 90% of those people it's simply not possible to practice 10-12 hours a day since they need to make a living too. I don't think the foreign scene will get any better from getting stomped by koreans on every occasion. oh stop it for all of them its a job, they still get paid, they still win online cups, if they want to get bigger piece of pie they need to step up their game and win vs decent opponents, the difference is NOT that big, and top foreigners already proved it by taking games/series, its just their dedication limiting them, its funny because it shouldnt be the case when it is their freaking job to be the best its not about their mood to compete with koreans if we isolate foreigner tournaments from Korea the difference will be even bigger and every international tournament gonna get stomped (see BW) The mentality that the difference is not that big was valid during Beta and has slowly been disproved as time goes on. After MLG just had top 6 Koreans and a number 7 Korean trained foreigner, you really can't say the gap isn't THAT big. Also if you look at a lot of the games that foreigners took off of Koreans at recent tournaments, they are mostly cause of luck. For example: 1. Sjow took a game off of July by transitioning to dual port banshee after getting banneling busted and taking heavy damage 2. Losira losing a game to Incontrol playing with only a mouse. 3. MMA losing a game to Drewbie when it was lagging really hard. And if you want to take into consideration online play, Koreans still roll foreigners WITH lag. The players you mentioned arent even the top3 in their own countries, of course it were flukes, i meant that there are players much better who are underperforming. What we want now is example of foreigners beating koreans. Isolation means insta-defeat. At least put up a fight. Of course you can see the results and see that Koreans are far cry above foreigners but when you see the games, its not that scary as you portray. I only mentioned those examples because they were some of the few times foreigners took games off of the Koreans. In particular, I used the prior examples because results aren't everything; even though the foreigners won the game, it was due to outside factors, or luck. If you only want to look at Top 3 players, then the reality becomes even more grim. 1. Losira and MMA both 2-0 Naniwa 2. Boxer 2-0s Idra, Zenio 4-0 against Idra. 3. MVP 2-0s Select 4. Ret loses to MMA 2-0 5. KiwiKaki losing to Ganzi 2-0 If Top Foreigners can't even beat mediocre Koreans like Boxer, Ganzi, Zenio, or even Moon, how can you say the gap isn't huge. The closest thing to a competitive game you have is Thorzain vs MC (4-2 in favor of MC) and ever since after MLG Columbus, Thorzain hasn't accomplished anything.
Naniwa beat MC at homestory-cup
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On August 04 2011 20:08 Savern101 wrote:
Anyone know what that music was? Really wanna know.
yeah this music was pretty cool indeed
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