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Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
July 12 2011 12:29 GMT
#2161
hatch first for Losira, CC first for TOP
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
July 12 2011 12:29 GMT
#2162
On July 12 2011 21:26 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 21:25 lunchforthesky wrote:
lol @ people who said Losira was bad versus Terran.


He was.

He had a retarded raoch/bane style.

Now he is doing the superior ling/muta/bane into hive style that nestea and idra have been using forever.

Roaches are to counter hellions. Nestea used them against Ensnare just today. It's a pretty metagame choice, and a lot of Terrans go mass hellions for early game harassment recently. Losira just didn't bother getting Roach, realizing that TOP likes to transition into Banshees.
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L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
July 12 2011 12:29 GMT
#2163
15cc! nice xD
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Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
July 12 2011 12:29 GMT
#2164
On July 12 2011 21:27 Medrea wrote:
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On July 12 2011 21:24 Snowbear wrote:
I don't see a possibility to win againt this broodlord infestor combo, unless the terran is much ahead. Ghost are okay but very expensive


200/100 is not expensive.

And they have snipe which is good against bio units. Which just so happen to be every single zerg unit and structure.

And they have EMP which is good against units with energy or shields, which just so happens to be every protoss unit and structure.

They are good!


They are good when you got 10 or more. 10 = 2000/1000. You can not just get that if you are not on 4+ bases... Then when you got them, they are not very cost effective, unless you can emp clumped infestors. They will get some snipes off, but broodlords will kill them.
Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
July 12 2011 12:29 GMT
#2165
broodlord infestor definitely looks miserable to deal with
MrBitter: Phoenixes... They're like flying hellions. Always cost efficient.
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
July 12 2011 12:29 GMT
#2166
On July 12 2011 21:26 Mercury- wrote:
WTF is wrong with you??

MMA's playstyle is constant aggro.

So? Only because he is constantly dropping/attacking it's not a macro game?

Macro game does not mean turtle until 200/200 lol
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
July 12 2011 12:30 GMT
#2167
On July 12 2011 21:28 Rayansaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 21:26 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:25 lunchforthesky wrote:
lol @ people who said Losira was bad versus Terran.


He was.

He had a retarded raoch/bane style.

Now he is doing the superior ling/muta/bane into hive style that nestea and idra have been using forever.


That was never his problem. Losing half is shit to tanks before he even engaged and losing waaay too much to drops because he started his spire at 20 mins was

If he is on the agressive side, no one can beat losira, but his defending used to be awful. He did well this game tho, the nestea spines helped a lot too



That is a result of going bane/roach into infestor. Your entire army is weak to siege tanks, and there is no way to pick tanks off without a direct battle.

You need those 20 mutalisks to kill tanks and workers all-game or terran can actually just out-macro you because your army isn't very good in a ground war.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
July 12 2011 12:30 GMT
#2168
On July 12 2011 21:29 L3g3nd_ wrote:
15cc! nice xD


TOP is crazy yo =P
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Shalaiyn
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2735 Posts
July 12 2011 12:30 GMT
#2169
Is Wolf reffering to a certain IdrA vs Tyler game? :D
brentsen
Profile Joined November 2010
1252 Posts
July 12 2011 12:30 GMT
#2170
I hope that wall is tight.
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
July 12 2011 12:30 GMT
#2171
On July 12 2011 21:27 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 21:24 Snowbear wrote:
I don't see a possibility to win againt this broodlord infestor combo, unless the terran is much ahead. Ghost are okay but very expensive


200/100 is not expensive.

And they have snipe which is good against bio units. Which just so happen to be every single zerg unit and structure.

And they have EMP which is good against units with energy or shields, which just so happens to be every protoss unit and structure.

They are good!



In the situation TOP was in, I think he was basically dead anyway before the broods came, he lost ALOT of scv's to the ling counterattacks, he didn't have a ghost acad so vikings were the best option, but his econ was dead anyway.
Alric
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia517 Posts
July 12 2011 12:30 GMT
#2172
On July 12 2011 21:27 MCDayC wrote:
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On July 12 2011 21:26 Mercury- wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:25 clusen wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:22 Mercury- wrote:
Does going into a macrogame like that ever actually work against Z at a high level?

Yes? TOP needed a PF at the gold and should've switched to Ghosts earlier and he would've had a decent chance to win.

Or look how MMA plays TvZ


WTF is wrong with you??

MMA's playstyle is constant aggro.

So? It works.

Constant aggro is really good for T against Z. Z relies on stopping a push then droning / rebuilding. Constant aggression messes with them and gradually wears them down. Zerg can't build drones while they have to constantly build units, while terran can.
"...he drew from his robe one of the five Eblis Stones, and for a few moments it made him an equal of Balor. The rest of the Legion was sacrificed... to give us time to take Balor's head."
Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
July 12 2011 12:30 GMT
#2173
On July 12 2011 21:28 marvin. wrote:
damn who is that chick who did losira's intro

Hyewon from 5dolls.
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
July 12 2011 12:31 GMT
#2174
Did Unstable just say that the SCV was repairing the building CC?
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 12 2011 12:31 GMT
#2175
I play P, but goddam I love watching ZvT at high level. So cool in the midgame.
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Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 12:32:28
July 12 2011 12:31 GMT
#2176
Losira played that pretty perfectly but the game was pretty decided by the opener - Losira just followed the Artosis rule while playing well and it made him look really good. Put simply, he flipped a coin by droning to a ridiculous level (56!) before the terran even expanded and it paid off. If TOP had done any sortof 1base timing follow-up he would've won that game; trying to go super heavy macro from an aggressive opener, as is his tendency, was way too predictable.

Overall that was a nice read by Losira but probably doesn't show how good he is at ZvT in general. It definitely isn't enough to redeem his past ZvT failures, lol
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 12 2011 12:32 GMT
#2177
On July 12 2011 21:29 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 21:27 Medrea wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:24 Snowbear wrote:
I don't see a possibility to win againt this broodlord infestor combo, unless the terran is much ahead. Ghost are okay but very expensive


200/100 is not expensive.

And they have snipe which is good against bio units. Which just so happen to be every single zerg unit and structure.

And they have EMP which is good against units with energy or shields, which just so happens to be every protoss unit and structure.

They are good!


They are good when you got 10 or more. 10 = 2000/1000. You can not just get that if you are not on 4+ bases... Then when you got them, they are not very cost effective, unless you can emp clumped infestors. They will get some snipes off, but broodlords will kill them.


Ghosts are awesome against broodlords. Snipe!

10 or more!? Holy crap that is a lot of ghosts. Im not talking about canister rifle DPS you know!

Either way. Colossus are 300/200. I dont see the gripe.
twitch.tv/medrea
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 12:33:41
July 12 2011 12:32 GMT
#2178
Hellions out for TOP roaming around the map
Losira getting a spire and baneling nest, researching burrow
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 12 2011 12:32 GMT
#2179
On July 12 2011 21:30 snafoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 21:27 Medrea wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:24 Snowbear wrote:
I don't see a possibility to win againt this broodlord infestor combo, unless the terran is much ahead. Ghost are okay but very expensive


200/100 is not expensive.

And they have snipe which is good against bio units. Which just so happen to be every single zerg unit and structure.

And they have EMP which is good against units with energy or shields, which just so happens to be every protoss unit and structure.

They are good!



In the situation TOP was in, I think he was basically dead anyway before the broods came, he lost ALOT of scv's to the ling counterattacks, he didn't have a ghost acad so vikings were the best option, but his econ was dead anyway.


Oh yeah definitly, he was dead.
twitch.tv/medrea
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
July 12 2011 12:33 GMT
#2180
people who complain that ghosts are expensive should try and get out a couple of broodlords + some infestors..
Dead girls don't say no.
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