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Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
July 07 2011 19:11 GMT
#161
On July 08 2011 04:07 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 20:53 FaRess wrote:
On July 07 2011 18:26 Ocedic wrote:
So Europe continues to embarrass NA. Nothing new here.


I don't agree with you, even in NA drewbie and CatZ don't do well in tournaments, guys like White Ra KaS or beastyqt do very well in both online and for some of them offline tournaments.

I just think they are on a different level, it's as simple as that, you can't compare NA and Europe in this case.

If it was Kiwikaki, Idra or Select it would make sense


Either way I find it ironic that Catz talks about keeping those money-stealing Koreans out because of their 'superior infrastructure for gaming' when he can't even beat Europeans.


Europeans actually have a superior infrastructure for gaming as well. I'm not saying I agree with the idea of keeping anyone out of any event because I'm interested in seeing the top level of play. However, Europeans have been more invested in eSports for a bit longer to my knowledge.
Special Endrey
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1929 Posts
July 07 2011 21:24 GMT
#162
On July 08 2011 04:02 Sandermatt wrote:
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On July 08 2011 03:57 deerpark87 wrote:
Why not get idra, kiwi or select to represent NA? This is embarrassing to us NAers.


Because they are not in the Clan complexity. The Clan complexity is making this showmatches as far as I understood.



Who told you that?

this is not the case
This signature is ruining eSports - -Twitter: @SpecialEndrey
ct2299
Profile Joined February 2011
380 Posts
July 08 2011 02:37 GMT
#163
On July 07 2011 06:48 Worldatlarge wrote:
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On July 07 2011 06:41 Morrisson wrote:
3-0 by Goody, really? Last time I saw goody, It was quit bad... did he step up his game?


He was much more solid, but on the other hand, Catz didn't play to his ability.


And that ability is...?
The same 1-8 ability in NASL?

Hope CatZ doesn't get fed up near the end and destroy his own hatch with drones and quit. :x
inamorato
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States263 Posts
July 08 2011 02:56 GMT
#164
On July 07 2011 19:13 dani` wrote:
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On July 07 2011 18:26 Ocedic wrote:
So Europe continues to embarrass NA. Nothing new here.

I seriously wonder which NA player can consistently do well vs top EU players. KiWiKaKi (technically Canada), SeleCT (Korean), and IdrA definitely, but other than that? Sadface.


North America includes Canada genius.
You're one microscopic cog in his catastrophic plan Designed and directed by his red right hand
mechavoc
Profile Joined December 2010
United States664 Posts
July 08 2011 13:16 GMT
#165
On July 08 2011 04:10 sob3k wrote:
SixJaxMajor could easily compete w/ any EU player right now

I would give DDE a good shot too based on some recent play, still gotta cement his propro position though.


In case you missed it on Endrey's cast Major was first approached he said he would do it but then when the details were gone over (format, opponents etc..) he backed out of it. pulled a major

So all of you saying major is the champion of NA realize he wanted nothing to do with facing the best of Europe.

Perhaps you should give some respect for Catz/Drewbie and any future pros who do this knowing they are going to face the best of the best from Europe in front of thousands of people.
qbs
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland771 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 13:34:51
July 08 2011 13:34 GMT
#166
gogo CATz gogog show crazy games not like drewbie CC kills : D
DeMusliM !!!
schben
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany60 Posts
July 08 2011 13:41 GMT
#167
Since when is Major one of the best americans?
Liquipedia tells me that he got 16th at MLG from the open bracket, lost 0-3 in the Finals of the TeamSpeak TL Open 16 to HwangSin, and lost 0-3 to Sheth in the SpazCraft Justin.tv Invitational #1 (semis I guess).
Obviously thats far from being a bad player but these results alone dont justify the hype for me.
Did I miss something importantor is he just hyped because Artosis hyped him at MLG?
Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 13:53:32
July 08 2011 13:52 GMT
#168
On July 07 2011 23:50 Rayjin wrote:
A game against Darkforce would be nice. I think they are on the same level.


omg please not! Darkforce stated in a recent podcast that he will play risky coinflip openings in ZvZ only cause it's such a coinflip matchup. I don't want to see games that are decided within the first minutes cause of BO wins/losses.
And even if there's not BO win, ZvZ is still horrible mass roach+infestor. Nobody would want to tune in for that.

I still would love to see some other interesting maps in the map pool, maybe support this petition or use another iCCup map. It's fun to see new maps
Member of TPW mapmaking team/// twitter.com/Ragoo_ /// "goody represents border between explainable reason and supernatural" Cloud
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
July 08 2011 14:03 GMT
#169
On July 08 2011 22:41 schben wrote:
Since when is Major one of the best americans?
Liquipedia tells me that he got 16th at MLG from the open bracket, lost 0-3 in the Finals of the TeamSpeak TL Open 16 to HwangSin, and lost 0-3 to Sheth in the SpazCraft Justin.tv Invitational #1 (semis I guess).
Obviously thats far from being a bad player but these results alone dont justify the hype for me.
Did I miss something importantor is he just hyped because Artosis hyped him at MLG?


No, people actually look at his gameplay instead of a piece of text on liquipedia and notice a very skilled, well rounded macro player. He hasn't participated in many tournaments yet to be able to get amazing results, although his effort from the open bracket at MLG was pretty strong. He's definitely one of the best in NA.
skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
July 08 2011 14:08 GMT
#170
Do they make this tournament to make Europe look good or something?
We got them GOM TvT's and them mlGG's
DoubleB
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany870 Posts
July 08 2011 14:12 GMT
#171
Sheth could own some Europeans I guess : )
Corvi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany1406 Posts
July 08 2011 14:20 GMT
#172
On July 08 2011 23:08 skrzmark wrote:
Do they make this tournament to make Europe look good or something?


its only endrey doing those showmatches, and i doubt that is his reason for it.
schben
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany60 Posts
July 08 2011 14:22 GMT
#173
On July 08 2011 23:03 AxionSteel wrote:
No, people actually look at his gameplay instead of a piece of text on liquipedia and notice a very skilled, well rounded macro player. He hasn't participated in many tournaments yet to be able to get amazing results, although his effort from the open bracket at MLG was pretty strong. He's definitely one of the best in NA.

Thanks, I dont follow the american scene so i dont know much about his playstyle
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
July 08 2011 17:00 GMT
#174
On July 08 2011 23:08 skrzmark wrote:
Do they make this tournament to make Europe look good or something?


compared to who? It was always europe>America

and I also don't understand the comment that europe's gaming infrastructure is better than NA's. The key difference between the korean&foreign scene are the teamhouses and the whole practice environement. As far as I know europe has only one Pro-Gaming house in sweden and NA the future EG House( not sure about any other). Europe just has a lot more better Players and only a few NA Players can compete with the top european scene. (Idra, [Huk], Major, Sheth and Kiwikaki, who lacks some recent results though)

gg goody and I don't see much hope for catz if he loses to goody 0:3 against overall better ruopean top players.

Maybe Europeans should be excluded from MLG, as well.
ct2299
Profile Joined February 2011
380 Posts
July 09 2011 00:49 GMT
#175
On July 08 2011 22:16 mechavoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2011 04:10 sob3k wrote:
SixJaxMajor could easily compete w/ any EU player right now

I would give DDE a good shot too based on some recent play, still gotta cement his propro position though.


In case you missed it on Endrey's cast Major was first approached he said he would do it but then when the details were gone over (format, opponents etc..) he backed out of it. pulled a major

So all of you saying major is the champion of NA realize he wanted nothing to do with facing the best of Europe.

Perhaps you should give some respect for Catz/Drewbie and any future pros who do this knowing they are going to face the best of the best from Europe in front of thousands of people.


I'm not sure I get your train of thought. I could play too and get hammered by European pros. Would I get respect as well? :3
Special Endrey
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1929 Posts
July 12 2011 23:03 GMT
#176
updated the OP - wednseday CatZ vs Kas - this time for realzzz
This signature is ruining eSports - -Twitter: @SpecialEndrey
flyersa
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany141 Posts
July 13 2011 09:41 GMT
#177
ha we will see
CEO of reGame.tv and co-founder of Berlin eSports e.V.
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
July 13 2011 09:44 GMT
#178
Im predicting 3-0 for Kas

Europeans still rolling ^.^
provrorsbarn
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden766 Posts
July 13 2011 11:14 GMT
#179
Can you change it to a bo7? :D would be pretty awesome
cuz i like both players (kas and catz) and I feel a bo7 series is always better then a bo5 imo
Im just a zerg
dani`
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands2402 Posts
July 13 2011 11:27 GMT
#180
Oh they play on US. Since it's 1 US vs all Europe I assumed it was being played on Europe. But I guess it's not bad to handicap the Europe players just by a little bit :D
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