|
On June 29 2011 02:40 FairForever wrote:How did July get screwed? If Tester had won the first match and then lost to Nestea they'd be in the exact same position. The only person that really benefited from this was Nestea: he would qualify unless he lost two games in a row. July and Tester fought for a chance to be in the same situation as Nestea. July won so he got two shots at making the elim phase (one for Tester), he wasn't able to capitalize on either.
july got screwed because he was the only player not to get a free win vs rain. if july got the free win ibstead of tester, he would have advanced.
also tester didnt have to face nestea while july did. this group play with a player gone is certainly not the most fair situation
|
On June 29 2011 02:04 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 01:59 KimJongChill wrote:
Just wondering, is Group B wearing eyeliner in that 4 pane picture? Their eyes are really popping! It's the theme of July code S, seems they'll all be wear makeup :D Forgot to screen the group A but even july had eyeliner. Can't wait for huk, MKP and MC tho :D
MKP will look really good with it on, I can feel it~
|
On June 29 2011 01:27 godemperor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 01:17 mikep wrote:On June 29 2011 01:06 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 28 2011 21:11 dpL wrote:On June 28 2011 21:10 branflakes14 wrote:
Did anyone really expect Clide to not go through? He's tipped to win the whole GSL. No one except Wolf. Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide is good stuff. Clide is a group stage monster. Im pretty sure he has NEVER lost a group stage match in the GSL. Hasn't he won his group in every single GSL? (talking about jan march, may, and now july... not the single elim tourneys) Him and Nada are the only ones who has never not hit ro16 (not talking about open season). NaDa has always achieved at least ro8.
And Nada has made it to the Round of 4 in the prior GSL Code S season (inca, nada, nestea, scfou)
|
Oh dear! the people in group b seem to have some eyeliner
|
good job Tester steppin up
|
Wtf? The group stages have always been screwed up. I really don't think I have a strong bias towards either player (possibly July) but he seriously got screwed. He beats Tester once, and then loses to Tester once, and Tester advances. And Tester only plays those 2 games...
Why do they not each just play each other... doesn't that make more sense?!?!?
In that case, July would lose to Nestea, and lets assume Tester would also lose to Nestea, then July would have a win over Tester, and July would advance. Even if Tester beat Nestea, then they would have a 3 way tie and would have to play it out. Terrible format... my god.
|
Canada1637 Posts
On June 29 2011 04:01 Chicane wrote:
Wtf? The group stages have always been screwed up. I really don't think I have a strong bias towards either player (possibly July) but he seriously got screwed. He beats Tester once, and then loses to Tester once, and Tester advances. And Tester only plays those 2 games...
Why do they not each just play each other... doesn't that make more sense?!?!?
In that case, July would lose to Nestea, and lets assume Tester would also lose to Nestea, then July would have a win over Tester, and July would advance. Even if Tester beat Nestea, then they would have a 3 way tie and would have to play it out. Terrible format... my god.
Sigh, do you not understand that the group was played out as though Rain was giving forfeit wins? Nestea was 2-0, Tester 2-1, July 1-2, and Rain 0-2. Obviously in this case July did get the short end of the stick, but this is how the seeding benefits Nestea. You can say he got screwed, but he is guaranteed safe from the up and down match which is also somewhat of an "unfair benefit".
Regardless, July played god awful in his 2nd game and deserves to lose for it -.-
|
It's a terrible system and hugely unfair. But for some reason there's a tendency for sc-tournament arrangers (see NASL, mlg) to equate intricate and arbitrary with exciting.
|
On June 29 2011 04:07 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 04:01 Chicane wrote:
Wtf? The group stages have always been screwed up. I really don't think I have a strong bias towards either player (possibly July) but he seriously got screwed. He beats Tester once, and then loses to Tester once, and Tester advances. And Tester only plays those 2 games...
Why do they not each just play each other... doesn't that make more sense?!?!?
In that case, July would lose to Nestea, and lets assume Tester would also lose to Nestea, then July would have a win over Tester, and July would advance. Even if Tester beat Nestea, then they would have a 3 way tie and would have to play it out. Terrible format... my god. Sigh, do you not understand that the group was played out as though Rain was giving forfeit wins? Nestea was 2-0, Tester 2-1, July 1-2, and Rain 0-2. Obviously in this case July did get the short end of the stick, but this is how the seeding benefits Nestea. You can say he got screwed, but he is guaranteed safe from the up and down match which is also somewhat of an "unfair benefit". Regardless, July played god awful in his 2nd game and deserves to lose for it -.-
Ya I agree with the underlined part, and that is the point I was making.
Tester got through the group by going 1-1 against July. I think neither of them would beat Nestea.
Was Tester going to "play" Rain no matter what? It sounded like that from his interview. If so then that is even worse because all he has to do when walking into the group is win the last game, and lose everything else. July would have to at least beat 1 of his opponents just to get to the last game with a chance to stay in.
So let me quote you "Obviously in this case July did get the short end of the stick" Yup. He got screwed. I'm just glad I wasn't really cheering for one to get through over the other, otherwise I would be quite pissed. 
|
On June 29 2011 04:16 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 04:07 Adebisi wrote:On June 29 2011 04:01 Chicane wrote:
Wtf? The group stages have always been screwed up. I really don't think I have a strong bias towards either player (possibly July) but he seriously got screwed. He beats Tester once, and then loses to Tester once, and Tester advances. And Tester only plays those 2 games...
Why do they not each just play each other... doesn't that make more sense?!?!?
In that case, July would lose to Nestea, and lets assume Tester would also lose to Nestea, then July would have a win over Tester, and July would advance. Even if Tester beat Nestea, then they would have a 3 way tie and would have to play it out. Terrible format... my god. Sigh, do you not understand that the group was played out as though Rain was giving forfeit wins? Nestea was 2-0, Tester 2-1, July 1-2, and Rain 0-2. Obviously in this case July did get the short end of the stick, but this is how the seeding benefits Nestea. You can say he got screwed, but he is guaranteed safe from the up and down match which is also somewhat of an "unfair benefit". Regardless, July played god awful in his 2nd game and deserves to lose for it -.- Ya I agree with the underlined part, and that is the point I was making. Tester got through the group by going 1-1 against July. I think neither of them would beat Nestea. Was Tester going to "play" Rain no matter what? It sounded like that from his interview. If so then that is even worse because all he has to do when walking into the group is win the last game, and lose everything else. July would have to at least beat 1 of his opponents just to get to the last game with a chance to stay in. So let me quote you "Obviously in this case July did get the short end of the stick" Yup. He got screwed. I'm just glad I wasn't really cheering for one to get through over the other, otherwise I would be quite pissed.
Are you sure? You sound pretty pissed to me. :D
So if Rain was there and Tester beat Rain and then beat July he would advance and July would not even if they went 1-1. That's just how these group plays go in GSL. Live with it.
|
On June 29 2011 04:19 sefio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 04:16 Chicane wrote:On June 29 2011 04:07 Adebisi wrote:On June 29 2011 04:01 Chicane wrote:
Wtf? The group stages have always been screwed up. I really don't think I have a strong bias towards either player (possibly July) but he seriously got screwed. He beats Tester once, and then loses to Tester once, and Tester advances. And Tester only plays those 2 games...
Why do they not each just play each other... doesn't that make more sense?!?!?
In that case, July would lose to Nestea, and lets assume Tester would also lose to Nestea, then July would have a win over Tester, and July would advance. Even if Tester beat Nestea, then they would have a 3 way tie and would have to play it out. Terrible format... my god. Sigh, do you not understand that the group was played out as though Rain was giving forfeit wins? Nestea was 2-0, Tester 2-1, July 1-2, and Rain 0-2. Obviously in this case July did get the short end of the stick, but this is how the seeding benefits Nestea. You can say he got screwed, but he is guaranteed safe from the up and down match which is also somewhat of an "unfair benefit". Regardless, July played god awful in his 2nd game and deserves to lose for it -.- Ya I agree with the underlined part, and that is the point I was making. Tester got through the group by going 1-1 against July. I think neither of them would beat Nestea. Was Tester going to "play" Rain no matter what? It sounded like that from his interview. If so then that is even worse because all he has to do when walking into the group is win the last game, and lose everything else. July would have to at least beat 1 of his opponents just to get to the last game with a chance to stay in. So let me quote you "Obviously in this case July did get the short end of the stick" Yup. He got screwed. I'm just glad I wasn't really cheering for one to get through over the other, otherwise I would be quite pissed. Are you sure? You sound pretty pissed to me. :D So if Rain was there and Tester beat Rain and then beat July he would advance and July would not even if they went 1-1. That's just how these group plays go in GSL. Live with it.
Alright first of all good job trying to be rude by saying "Are you sure? You sound pretty pissed to me. :D" If someone actually is in a bad mood over something like this, then saying that only looks to start an argument, and is therefore really stupid to say. (Edit: And let me clarify, when I said argument I meant like two people getting pissed at each other, not just debating a point... because I'm sure someone is going to say "lolololololol looks like you are arguing now!!")
"That's just how these group plays go in GSL" Yes... I'm aware, and I said it is a bad format. I don't know why people can't just acknowledge that this is actually a bad format especially for this circumstance rather than trying to defend it.
|
On June 29 2011 02:54 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 02:40 FairForever wrote:On June 29 2011 02:37 Malpractice.248 wrote:
Wowwww july got screwed. How did July get screwed? If Tester had won the first match and then lost to Nestea they'd be in the exact same position. The only person that really benefited from this was Nestea: he would qualify unless he lost two games in a row. July and Tester fought for a chance to be in the same situation as Nestea. July won so he got two shots at making the elim phase (one for Tester), he wasn't able to capitalize on either. july got screwed because he was the only player not to get a free win vs rain. if july got the free win ibstead of tester, he would have advanced. also tester didnt have to face nestea while july did. this group play with a player gone is certainly not the most fair situation
On June 29 2011 04:26 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 04:19 sefio wrote:On June 29 2011 04:16 Chicane wrote:On June 29 2011 04:07 Adebisi wrote:On June 29 2011 04:01 Chicane wrote:
Wtf? The group stages have always been screwed up. I really don't think I have a strong bias towards either player (possibly July) but he seriously got screwed. He beats Tester once, and then loses to Tester once, and Tester advances. And Tester only plays those 2 games...
Why do they not each just play each other... doesn't that make more sense?!?!?
In that case, July would lose to Nestea, and lets assume Tester would also lose to Nestea, then July would have a win over Tester, and July would advance. Even if Tester beat Nestea, then they would have a 3 way tie and would have to play it out. Terrible format... my god. Sigh, do you not understand that the group was played out as though Rain was giving forfeit wins? Nestea was 2-0, Tester 2-1, July 1-2, and Rain 0-2. Obviously in this case July did get the short end of the stick, but this is how the seeding benefits Nestea. You can say he got screwed, but he is guaranteed safe from the up and down match which is also somewhat of an "unfair benefit". Regardless, July played god awful in his 2nd game and deserves to lose for it -.- Ya I agree with the underlined part, and that is the point I was making. Tester got through the group by going 1-1 against July. I think neither of them would beat Nestea. Was Tester going to "play" Rain no matter what? It sounded like that from his interview. If so then that is even worse because all he has to do when walking into the group is win the last game, and lose everything else. July would have to at least beat 1 of his opponents just to get to the last game with a chance to stay in. So let me quote you "Obviously in this case July did get the short end of the stick" Yup. He got screwed. I'm just glad I wasn't really cheering for one to get through over the other, otherwise I would be quite pissed. Are you sure? You sound pretty pissed to me. :D So if Rain was there and Tester beat Rain and then beat July he would advance and July would not even if they went 1-1. That's just how these group plays go in GSL. Live with it. Alright first of all good job trying to be rude by saying "Are you sure? You sound pretty pissed to me. :D" If someone actually is in a bad mood over something like this, then saying that only looks to start an argument, and is therefore really stupid to say. (Edit: And let me clarify, when I said argument I meant like two people getting pissed at each other, not just debating a point... because I'm sure someone is going to say "lolololololol looks like you are arguing now!!") "That's just how these group plays go in GSL" Yes... I'm aware, and I said it is a bad format. I don't know why people can't just acknowledge that this is actually a bad format especially for this circumstance rather than trying to defend it.
How is this hard for anyone to understand. Nothing special happened. Just imagine they played all the Rain vs X matches and rain lost but they just didn't show it on stream. Because that's like exactly what happened.
Edit: You wouldn't be saying this was unfair to July if Rain was instead replaced by some bronze noobie. But either way it would be the same.
|
I love how in the beta and the early months of the release, everyone thought Tester was the #1 protoss in the world, and cheered for him in any situation.
Now people are complaining that he's advancing >_>;
|
On June 29 2011 04:35 DaRkFrosT wrote:
I love how in the beta and the early months of the release, everyone thought Tester was the #1 protoss in the world, and cheered for him in any situation.
Now people are complaining that he's advancing >_>;
Times change, and fanboys are forever fickle.
|
On June 29 2011 04:35 DaRkFrosT wrote:
I love how in the beta and the early months of the release, everyone thought Tester was the #1 protoss in the world, and cheered for him in any situation.
Now people are complaining that he's advancing >_>;
Fans are fickle.
But yeah, dude, people need to give Trickster a break. He made it through, therefore he deserves the spot. Stop ragging on the poor guy. There's nothing you can do about the format either; it's not like arguing on a TL forum will make them change it. If anything, blame Rain for pulling out at the last second.
|
And I'm still wondering why the makeup crew never attempted doing their magic on NesTea, July and Trickster. It would have been the best moment in esports ever.
|
On June 29 2011 04:41 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 04:35 DaRkFrosT wrote:
I love how in the beta and the early months of the release, everyone thought Tester was the #1 protoss in the world, and cheered for him in any situation.
Now people are complaining that he's advancing >_>; Fans are fickle. But yeah, dude, people need to give Trickster a break. He made it through, therefore he deserves the spot. Stop ragging on the poor guy. There's nothing you can do about the format either; it's not like arguing on a TL forum will make them change it. If anything, blame Rain for pulling out at the last second.
Not really. As I said, if Rain was replaced by someone in bronze who can barely play, the results would have been the same. The only person to blame is July for losing two matches.
|
On June 29 2011 04:30 fraktoasters wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 02:54 jmbthirteen wrote:On June 29 2011 02:40 FairForever wrote:On June 29 2011 02:37 Malpractice.248 wrote:
Wowwww july got screwed. How did July get screwed? If Tester had won the first match and then lost to Nestea they'd be in the exact same position. The only person that really benefited from this was Nestea: he would qualify unless he lost two games in a row. July and Tester fought for a chance to be in the same situation as Nestea. July won so he got two shots at making the elim phase (one for Tester), he wasn't able to capitalize on either. july got screwed because he was the only player not to get a free win vs rain. if july got the free win ibstead of tester, he would have advanced. also tester didnt have to face nestea while july did. this group play with a player gone is certainly not the most fair situation Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 04:26 Chicane wrote:On June 29 2011 04:19 sefio wrote:On June 29 2011 04:16 Chicane wrote:On June 29 2011 04:07 Adebisi wrote:On June 29 2011 04:01 Chicane wrote:
Wtf? The group stages have always been screwed up. I really don't think I have a strong bias towards either player (possibly July) but he seriously got screwed. He beats Tester once, and then loses to Tester once, and Tester advances. And Tester only plays those 2 games...
Why do they not each just play each other... doesn't that make more sense?!?!?
In that case, July would lose to Nestea, and lets assume Tester would also lose to Nestea, then July would have a win over Tester, and July would advance. Even if Tester beat Nestea, then they would have a 3 way tie and would have to play it out. Terrible format... my god. Sigh, do you not understand that the group was played out as though Rain was giving forfeit wins? Nestea was 2-0, Tester 2-1, July 1-2, and Rain 0-2. Obviously in this case July did get the short end of the stick, but this is how the seeding benefits Nestea. You can say he got screwed, but he is guaranteed safe from the up and down match which is also somewhat of an "unfair benefit". Regardless, July played god awful in his 2nd game and deserves to lose for it -.- Ya I agree with the underlined part, and that is the point I was making. Tester got through the group by going 1-1 against July. I think neither of them would beat Nestea. Was Tester going to "play" Rain no matter what? It sounded like that from his interview. If so then that is even worse because all he has to do when walking into the group is win the last game, and lose everything else. July would have to at least beat 1 of his opponents just to get to the last game with a chance to stay in. So let me quote you "Obviously in this case July did get the short end of the stick" Yup. He got screwed. I'm just glad I wasn't really cheering for one to get through over the other, otherwise I would be quite pissed. Are you sure? You sound pretty pissed to me. :D So if Rain was there and Tester beat Rain and then beat July he would advance and July would not even if they went 1-1. That's just how these group plays go in GSL. Live with it. Alright first of all good job trying to be rude by saying "Are you sure? You sound pretty pissed to me. :D" If someone actually is in a bad mood over something like this, then saying that only looks to start an argument, and is therefore really stupid to say. (Edit: And let me clarify, when I said argument I meant like two people getting pissed at each other, not just debating a point... because I'm sure someone is going to say "lolololololol looks like you are arguing now!!") "That's just how these group plays go in GSL" Yes... I'm aware, and I said it is a bad format. I don't know why people can't just acknowledge that this is actually a bad format especially for this circumstance rather than trying to defend it. How is this hard for anyone to understand. Nothing special happened. Just imagine they played all the Rain vs X matches and rain lost but they just didn't show it on stream. Because that's like exactly what happened. Edit: You wouldn't be saying this was unfair to July if Rain was instead replaced by some bronze noobie. But either way it would be the same.
Wrong. I called the format bad in the past, and I think this situation just magnifies it.
|
On June 29 2011 04:45 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 04:30 fraktoasters wrote:On June 29 2011 02:54 jmbthirteen wrote:On June 29 2011 02:40 FairForever wrote:On June 29 2011 02:37 Malpractice.248 wrote:
Wowwww july got screwed. How did July get screwed? If Tester had won the first match and then lost to Nestea they'd be in the exact same position. The only person that really benefited from this was Nestea: he would qualify unless he lost two games in a row. July and Tester fought for a chance to be in the same situation as Nestea. July won so he got two shots at making the elim phase (one for Tester), he wasn't able to capitalize on either. july got screwed because he was the only player not to get a free win vs rain. if july got the free win ibstead of tester, he would have advanced. also tester didnt have to face nestea while july did. this group play with a player gone is certainly not the most fair situation On June 29 2011 04:26 Chicane wrote:On June 29 2011 04:19 sefio wrote:On June 29 2011 04:16 Chicane wrote:On June 29 2011 04:07 Adebisi wrote:On June 29 2011 04:01 Chicane wrote:
Wtf? The group stages have always been screwed up. I really don't think I have a strong bias towards either player (possibly July) but he seriously got screwed. He beats Tester once, and then loses to Tester once, and Tester advances. And Tester only plays those 2 games...
Why do they not each just play each other... doesn't that make more sense?!?!?
In that case, July would lose to Nestea, and lets assume Tester would also lose to Nestea, then July would have a win over Tester, and July would advance. Even if Tester beat Nestea, then they would have a 3 way tie and would have to play it out. Terrible format... my god. Sigh, do you not understand that the group was played out as though Rain was giving forfeit wins? Nestea was 2-0, Tester 2-1, July 1-2, and Rain 0-2. Obviously in this case July did get the short end of the stick, but this is how the seeding benefits Nestea. You can say he got screwed, but he is guaranteed safe from the up and down match which is also somewhat of an "unfair benefit". Regardless, July played god awful in his 2nd game and deserves to lose for it -.- Ya I agree with the underlined part, and that is the point I was making. Tester got through the group by going 1-1 against July. I think neither of them would beat Nestea. Was Tester going to "play" Rain no matter what? It sounded like that from his interview. If so then that is even worse because all he has to do when walking into the group is win the last game, and lose everything else. July would have to at least beat 1 of his opponents just to get to the last game with a chance to stay in. So let me quote you "Obviously in this case July did get the short end of the stick" Yup. He got screwed. I'm just glad I wasn't really cheering for one to get through over the other, otherwise I would be quite pissed. Are you sure? You sound pretty pissed to me. :D So if Rain was there and Tester beat Rain and then beat July he would advance and July would not even if they went 1-1. That's just how these group plays go in GSL. Live with it. Alright first of all good job trying to be rude by saying "Are you sure? You sound pretty pissed to me. :D" If someone actually is in a bad mood over something like this, then saying that only looks to start an argument, and is therefore really stupid to say. (Edit: And let me clarify, when I said argument I meant like two people getting pissed at each other, not just debating a point... because I'm sure someone is going to say "lolololololol looks like you are arguing now!!") "That's just how these group plays go in GSL" Yes... I'm aware, and I said it is a bad format. I don't know why people can't just acknowledge that this is actually a bad format especially for this circumstance rather than trying to defend it. How is this hard for anyone to understand. Nothing special happened. Just imagine they played all the Rain vs X matches and rain lost but they just didn't show it on stream. Because that's like exactly what happened. Edit: You wouldn't be saying this was unfair to July if Rain was instead replaced by some bronze noobie. But either way it would be the same. Wrong. I called the format bad in the past, and I think this situation just magnifies it.
How exactly is that wrong? Rain went 0-2. If he played and lost all his games the situation is EXACTLY the same as it is now.
|
Didn't watch the games, but just realized the first July - Tester game practically didn't matter lol. Actually, it would almost be advantageous to lose, so you get a free win against Rain. Although that's partially because Nestea is so good - if it was someone else July or Tester could have hoped to go 2-0.
Sucks hardcore for July, I'm really surprised GOM let it play out like that.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
