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EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
June 06 2011 06:20 GMT
#541
Poor boxer PainUser really should have made it his priority to notify NASL that he would not be playing out his games.
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
June 06 2011 06:28 GMT
#542
NASL format is not working all too well
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
June 06 2011 06:28 GMT
#543
I say this:

First off, get in contact with him, he better have a good reason OR ; Give him a permenant warning or a ban from the next NASL.


People need to realize:

PAINburger TOOK SOMEONE ELSES SPOT. If it had not been PainUser there, someone else would have had the chance to compete and win 50 000$. To be given this chance and then to shit on the competition and your co-competitors is inexuisable if you don't warn anyone in advance, that's just bullshit attitude and had I been Geoff I'd had a godamn rant about how this is just pure shit from PainUser and an insult not only to the tournament but everyone in it and most of all everyone who didn't get a chance to be in it.
My Comment Doesnt Matter Because No One Reads It
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 06 2011 06:29 GMT
#544
On June 06 2011 15:08 Paradice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 14:57 TooN wrote:
This whole NASL thing is not shaping well. So many walkovers.


I disagree. The walkovers that we're having aren't affecting the top 10 spots. Anyone with a chance at going through is all over it.

In fact the finals part of NASL is going to be ridiculously stacked. Just look at these players (people with <= 2 losses taken from the standings page, so as at the start of this week, may have changed a little this week but it demonstrates my point)

SeleCT
Sen
July
Ret
Squirtle
Boxer
Morrow
Strelok
KiWiKaKi
Fenix
Moon
Zenio
ACE
IdrA
NaDa
Sheth
SjoW
White-Ra

Who is the weakest link? Moon? Who else? This is going to be an epic finale. I think when it's played out, the early missteps and the walkovers will be long forgotten.


I think the LAN tournament is going to really great, but I think they should look at a way of adjusting the format so that there are less walkovers, and they have more excitement and momentum going into the finals. I don't know the best way to that, but there has to be a way.


TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
June 06 2011 06:34 GMT
#545
On June 06 2011 15:28 Talack wrote:
NASL format is not working all too well

Well, as far as i see it the NASL format is working.
It's the attitude of a small set of people which leads to these bad situations.
Now NASL will have to take a less idealistic view on their players and might have to think about possibilities about punishing bad behavior or making a difference in a 8th and 9th spot. Players like qxc who keep fighting show real spirit.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
June 06 2011 06:35 GMT
#546
I knew Boxer would do well in this group, but I wasn't thinking he would be in the first place spot! That is amazing! The offline part of the tournament is going to be HUGE if he participates!
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
June 06 2011 06:36 GMT
#547
poor boxer having to stay up all day

painuser dropped the ball on this one
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
Corrupted
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1255 Posts
June 06 2011 06:42 GMT
#548
The people trying to defend PainUser are being ridiculous.

When he accepted his invite into the league, he committed to showing up for every match, every week. If there was going to be any problems for a given week, it is his responsibility to notify them (I'm sure all players were given very specific instructions on how to do this given every other player has done so).

The notion that players are not given notice is absurd. They have already stated that they send everyone an email every week reminding them of their schedule. Beyond that, they do everything to get a hold of you on the day of your game if you have somehow forgotten.

Geoff somehow taking any of the blame because he is on a show with PU is silly. Do you really think it is Geoff's responsibility to get the scoop on every player every week? The guy is the caster...clearly that logistical stuff is someone else's responsibility. He's probably not even privy to the vast majority of the behind the scenes stuff going on unless it becomes his job to inform people on the stream.

Three weeks. There is no excuse that would be good enough. There is no need to hear PU's side of the story other than curiosity. He made a commitment to the league, the fans and the other players from the start to see the tournament through and he didn't fulfill that. If that wasn't bad enough, he didn't even show them the slightest bit of respect in informing them of his choice.

Those trying to defend PU or spread the blame must have some seriously questionable ethics/morals going on.
"MarineKing rolling double sevens there" -Artosis
Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
June 06 2011 06:52 GMT
#549
What was NASL's official response? I can't imagine they said exactly what OP wrote in the thread.

Painuser, disappointed =(
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starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 07:00:24
June 06 2011 06:56 GMT
#550
NASL really needs to think of some form of punishment for failure to show without giving notice. There were way too many walkovers throughout season 1 and unfortunately a lot of the matches we never got to see were some of the ones I was looking forward to the most.

NASL's system is also inherently flawed in that if you know you have NO chance in qualifying (such as in the case of painuser) for the finals there is no reason to play unless you're just trying to knock a specific player further down to help someone else.

Having a full round robin in the cast of MLG is very important because every game matters even if you lose the first 3 of 5 matches because someone might go 0-5 or 1-4 and then you find yourself ahead of them.

Hopefully we get some revamp of their setup. I am also finding myself less and less interested in the weeks now that I know certain players have no chance. For this I just watched the IdrA and Zenio matches because of this.

When there is so much content going on having matches that actually matter is important otherwise people might as well just watch some livestream for $0
LwReisen
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia94 Posts
June 06 2011 07:06 GMT
#551
PainUser took someone elses spot (read: insert any high level euro/korean here), then no-showed.

As far as I'm concerned, if he got hit by a truck tomorrow I won't care nor shed a tear and neither should you. PainUser has just demonstrated how worthless he is.
MORDEKAIZER ES #1
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
June 06 2011 07:14 GMT
#552
On June 06 2011 15:56 starcraft911 wrote:
NASL's system is also inherently flawed in that if you know you have NO chance in qualifying (such as in the case of painuser) for the finals there is no reason to play unless you're just trying to knock a specific player further down to help someone else.

I disagree, Every other sport is like that. If players/teams stop playing in the regular season of NBA/NHL right at the point where they realize they have no chance of advancing into the playoff, the whole league will fall apart. But this doesn't happen simply because the players and the teams have sportsmanship, care about their reputation, as well as following through with their contracts.
Shaetan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1175 Posts
June 06 2011 07:30 GMT
#553
On June 06 2011 15:08 Paradice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 14:57 TooN wrote:
This whole NASL thing is not shaping well. So many walkovers.


I disagree. The walkovers that we're having aren't affecting the top 10 spots. Anyone with a chance at going through is all over it.

In fact the finals part of NASL is going to be ridiculously stacked. Just look at these players (people with <= 2 losses taken from the standings page, so as at the start of this week, may have changed a little this week but it demonstrates my point)

SeleCT
Sen
July
Ret
Squirtle
Boxer
Morrow
Strelok
KiWiKaKi
Fenix
Moon
Zenio
ACE
IdrA
NaDa
Sheth
SjoW
White-Ra

Who is the weakest link? Moon? Who else? This is going to be an epic finale. I think when it's played out, the early missteps and the walkovers will be long forgotten.


Painuser is giving free wins to Boxer and Zenio these last 2 weeks, who are fighting with Idra and Sen for top 2 spots.
My Casts: www.youtube.com/Shaetan
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 06 2011 07:32 GMT
#554
On June 06 2011 16:14 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 15:56 starcraft911 wrote:
NASL's system is also inherently flawed in that if you know you have NO chance in qualifying (such as in the case of painuser) for the finals there is no reason to play unless you're just trying to knock a specific player further down to help someone else.

I disagree, Every other sport is like that. If players/teams stop playing in the regular season of NBA/NHL right at the point where they realize they have no chance of advancing into the playoff, the whole league will fall apart. But this doesn't happen simply because the players and the teams have sportsmanship, care about their reputation, as well as following through with their contracts.


The key difference is that NBA/NHL players get paid, even if they lose, by their teams for participating.

Now we know one of the reasons why the NASL demands players be part of teams to participate ... there needs to be something holding them accountable other than the NASL.
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 07:43:31
June 06 2011 07:38 GMT
#555
On June 06 2011 16:06 LwReisen wrote:
PainUser took someone elses spot (read: insert any high level euro/korean here), then no-showed.

As far as I'm concerned, if he got hit by a truck tomorrow I won't care nor shed a tear and neither should you. PainUser has just demonstrated how worthless he is.


Whoa...

I like how TLO steps in for Cloud vs Mana according to the OP

EDIT:
Oh and just read up on the Painuser thingie, pretty BM to do that to the Emperor of all people.
Who would not want to play Boxer just for having done so?
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
June 06 2011 07:39 GMT
#556
just so you know, they record NASL long in advance.
They've probably already recorded the next weeks games id imagine.

lost ALL respect for painuser. Fair enough his record wasnt good, but you can still play the game or at least notify NASL
Bluebush
Profile Joined March 2011
United States218 Posts
June 06 2011 07:44 GMT
#557
Pretty dick move by PU but I'm sure NASL will figure out a way to discourage stuff like this for Season 2. Live and learn.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 08:07:08
June 06 2011 08:02 GMT
#558
Oh yeah, TLO stepping in and winning the last set of Sen vs Cloud!!!

edit:

On June 06 2011 15:28 Krehlmar wrote:
I say this:

First off, get in contact with him, he better have a good reason OR ; Give him a permenant warning or a ban from the next NASL.


Saddest thing there is: this won't even hit him that much.
Personally, I'll definitely boycott all of his casting because of this.
(he's trying to get into casting, as I understand)
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 08:07:44
June 06 2011 08:05 GMT
#559
edit: doublepost, sry.
didn't notice I already replied to this thread such a short time ago... <.<
vojnik
Profile Joined October 2010
Macedonia923 Posts
June 06 2011 08:06 GMT
#560
PU should not get invited into a single tournament after this kind of behavior, totally unacceptable and straight up rude, YEAH MAN A PLAYER LIKE DIMAGA COULD HAVE HAD YOUR SPOT FFS!!!!!
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