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aruken
Profile Joined March 2011
France348 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4281
On June 06 2011 01:58 ptbl wrote:
The era of Korean SC2 dominance truly starts today.

let it be known
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4282
On June 06 2011 01:59 Whalecore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 01:58 Plexa wrote:
On June 06 2011 01:58 Benjef wrote:
On June 06 2011 01:57 rpgalon wrote:
On June 06 2011 01:51 Jochan wrote:
I love the fact that Naniwa is not trying to do some all-in/cheesy moves. He is playing straight up macro games

he is showing why if you don't chese or do a timing atack (all in) you just lose vs zerg

I kind of agree. It shows Protoss can't win in a straight up macro game. You need to harass, you cannot let Zerg macro like that.

No it shows that Naniwa fell behind significantly in economy and paid the price...

What do you suggest Naniwa doing? Taking a 3rd so he dies even earlier?

Perhaps doing something during the time Losira is making 1231231 drones ?? You can safely get a third up around the same time as a zerg if he just sits there and masses drones like losira is doing.
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Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4283
On June 06 2011 01:59 Zzoram wrote:
Naniwa would benefit from training in Korea, but if he doesn't place top 4 he won't get the seed into Code A so it'll be tough to go.

He is pretty much already guaranteed Code A invite since Idra/MMA/Losira are also in top 6 with him.
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3525 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4284
On June 06 2011 01:59 Zeburial wrote:
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FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4285
On June 06 2011 01:58 Corrik wrote:
Naniwa clearly messed up in Game 2. I'll say it again. He was on tilt.


He played fine. What did you expect him to do? His FFs were amazing, just got outmacroed by one of the best Zerg in the world. All the small things just added up

1) Losira scouting the 3rd and 4th gas timings -> eliminated air and DTs as a possibility. This allowed Losira to really go late lair just to mass up on the drones.

2) The ling runbys that slowed Naniwa down

3) Not allowing Naniwa to scout Losira at all (till the obs popped), while Losira got good scouting info on Naniwa.
Tyrr
Profile Joined March 2011
United States216 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4286
On June 06 2011 01:58 Slakter wrote:
Im in Spain so I havent been able to watch the stream at all except for today (Staying up until grand final!) Has the event been this good all the time?



I'd say so :D
im bad
xza
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore1600 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4287
does anyone know ETA for next match? I feel like laddering but im afraid that MMA vs idra or MC vs thorzain will come up at any moment :/
"What a terrible final. This is why BO3s are horrible. Seriously MKP vs Moon in a final and having it BO3 is like having Mila Kunis naked in your bed and all she'll give you is a HJ with her PJs on. Pffffffffffffffftt." -greatZERG
pompey606
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom98 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4288
Losira just played perfectly against what Naniwa was doing. Kudos
Is this the website for Counter Strike?
PantsB
Profile Joined January 2011
United States77 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4289
Nexus first you have to attack off two bases v Z IMO. Have to at least try to hurt them or it'll just become macrofest. I think he was anticipating Losira doing his ling roach attack.
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4290
On June 06 2011 01:59 Chainfire99 wrote:
How can you defeat a zerg who macro's that well? Early pressure is hard because of the raw number of units zerg can get out at any time plus they have the fastest units in the game (speedlings) so the threat of counters are always there. I don't know how toss can beat zerg now.

forcing zerg to make units hurts their economy, remember
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WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4291
On June 06 2011 01:58 FairForever wrote:
Wow.

And you can't even say it's due to any of the buffs, Losira just won with mass roach/ling.

If Naniwa can't beat Losira... wow. Guess I have to cross him off the contenders list for top contenders.

1) Losira
2) MC
3) Idra
4) MMA
5) July

The contenders.

roaches got a nice range buff (:

Dear god when that singer from the commercial comes on and doesnt shut up and its 5X as loud as the actual stream jesus. why does it have to be so loud...
Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4292
I think zergs just have that early expand style completely figured out, the expansion @5min mark, mass drones and low tier in exchange for a strong mid game while protoss is still building up.

And protoss just doesn't have an anwser for that yet.
elitesniper420
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada135 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4293
I'll be using the +1 melee ling style from now on. It's amazing how with Tier 1 units he's able to counter both the broken colossus and the no skill F spam sentries. Very versatile too.

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NightAngel
Profile Joined June 2010
United States144 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 17:03:24
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4294
On June 06 2011 01:57 TheKefka wrote:
Why are people so impressed by Losira?All he did was drone up and than a-move his roaches....
And ran speedlings into naniwas base


Yeah, completely dominating the Dallas champion is no big deal. Making him look like a scrubbins Masters player... no big deal.

I was really rooting for Nani, though. =\
[QUOTE][B]On August 05 2011 05:06 Beerdrinker wrote:[/B] TSL needs to be more sensitive about doing business in korea, they need to be respectful of the culture, their contracts and verbal obligations[/QUOTE]
Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4295
On June 06 2011 01:58 Whalecore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 01:57 TheKefka wrote:
Why are people so impressed by Losira?All he did was drone up and than a-move his roaches....
And ran speedlings into naniwas base

This.


That's what's impressive. He made it look so easy against Naniwa. Not against a random scrub, but against Naniwa.
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Brainiac
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland641 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 17:01:29
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4296
Seems like every PvZ looks the same nowadays. Everything seems equal at around 100 supply mark, but then Zerg just explodes and gains like 70 supply lead. I dunno what to think about this, seen many games unfolding like that (idra vs mc, losira vs nani etc.). Seems like even perfect forcefields can't save toss players.
Si vis pacem para bellum
Spitmode
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1510 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4297
when is idra vs mma?
"Make house -> Robots come out of house -> Robots shoot lazers -> Someone wins"
Huggerz
Profile Joined May 2011
Great Britain919 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4298
A lot of strange choices by Nani... really early +1 attack but did nothing with it, rushed to colossus and did nothing with them, Losira was left free to drone for ever and then just roll over what Nani had with a crap load of zerglings and roaches with good creep spread
“It's like poker. You can play your best, but you've got to know when to fold your cards and take a rest, and know when to hold your cards, hold your breath and hope that nobody else is stacking the deck."
kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4299
On June 06 2011 01:59 Senx wrote:
Naniwa doesn't play abusive enough to beat losira, he's too passive and letting losira do whatever he plans.


All the abusive builds of Protoss are already nerfed.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 05 2011 17:00 GMT
#4300
On June 06 2011 01:59 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 01:57 TheKefka wrote:
Why are people so impressed by Losira?All he did was drone up and than a-move his roaches....
And ran speedlings into naniwas base

A move? He was microing all that time. He did dual attacks, kept on microing everything during that time.

He just did a crazy strategy that involved 3 base drone pumping into just a bunch of roach lings. I mean, he had 4 hatcheries BEFORE he had his lair. How crazy is that!

During the entire time he was attacking he kept macroing, and reinforcements just kept on swarming in. His entire strategy was beautiful.

It really wasn't. I'm not gonna detract from Losira here because he DID completely outplay Naniwa, but his play was anything but beautiful.

Idra against MC was beautiful. This was standard.
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