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Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 05 2011 22:17 GMT
#21281
On June 06 2011 07:16 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:16 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:15 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:14 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:14 Drazerk wrote:
Game Three is now starting on Typhon Peaks


In the Top left is Losira

While in the Top Right is MMA


2:00

Refinery on the way for MMA


2:10

Hatch first for Losira


3:00

Pool starting for Losira

Tech lab on the barracks


3:45

Reaper on the way for MMA
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
June 05 2011 22:17 GMT
#21282
On June 06 2011 07:12 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote:
Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!

A couple of things I want to note.
MajOr did an incredible job at this event.
Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level"
MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them.

Now for the bombshell.
I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene.
As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job.

Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA
(3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A)

Sincearly,
Concerned fan.


QUOTED FOR TRUTH!

This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win.


Terrible argument. This could also provide an incentive for foreigners to improve, thus improving and flourishing the scene. But with mentalities like yours, yea foreign scene might die.
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
June 05 2011 22:17 GMT
#21283
So is all that cheering in the background from Halo or CoD? I do have a little room on my monitor for another stream...

PS F off lag screen!
Starleague Forever. RIP KT Violet~
daxile
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada829 Posts
June 05 2011 22:17 GMT
#21284
hey do you guys think the korea foreigner skill gap is bigger now?
to live is to suffer
Steamroller
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland756 Posts
June 05 2011 22:17 GMT
#21285
On June 06 2011 07:12 Sideburn wrote:
I'm disappointed that people don't care now that it's only Koreans. MMA is my favorite player, and I really like MC and July too. It's the foreigners that are the most boring to me, tbh.


U get to see those guys everyday on GSL. I kinda expect to see foreigners competing for the victory of these lan tournaments. But recently it's been just MCMCMCMCMCMCMCMCMCM which is boooooring.
DizzyDrone
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
June 05 2011 22:17 GMT
#21286
On June 06 2011 07:15 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:12 YodaGoneMad wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote:
Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!

A couple of things I want to note.
MajOr did an incredible job at this event.
Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level"
MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them.

Now for the bombshell.
I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene.
As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job.

Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA
(3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A)

Sincearly,
Concerned fan.


QUOTED FOR TRUTH!

This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win.


I found it kinda funny how he talks about growing the NA scene and you talk about 2 europeans. How far is it okay to fly to steal your money? And since he quoted the first prize, $5k, why didn't he mention the other first prize, Code S?


He talks about growing the foreigner scene, not the NA scene.
SlayerSBriefS
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States37 Posts
June 05 2011 22:17 GMT
#21287
there is a code S spot for the MLG winner


Code A Winner will automatically advance to Code S without going through Up & Down Match
- MLG Winner will receive a GSL Code S seed for the following month. (Even if the winner is a Korean player, the seed will be provided). If the winner turns down the Code S seed or is already a Code S player then the runner-up will be given the seed.

winner of MLG will get code S for next gsl. since losira and MC already have it, it's prolly going to go to MMA
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
June 05 2011 22:17 GMT
#21288
--- Nuked ---
Phayt
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada346 Posts
June 05 2011 22:17 GMT
#21289
On June 06 2011 07:14 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:11 Paradice wrote:
Has anyone calculated what happens with the top 16 spots yet? Now that all the non-Koreans are gone it should be possible, right?

Mainly want to know if anyone lost their status and who the 'new' top-16 players are?

These are NOT the rankings, but going down the list the Top 16 would be:
Idra
Naniwa
Slush
Ret
Fenix
Haypro
Thorzain
Sjow
Machine
Major
Sheth
Cruncher
Tyler
Select
KawaiiRice

And someone would have to play for the last spot. This is assuming none of the Koreans including July keep their spot.


It takes into account the results for last time, though, so Drewbie and especially Incontrol may still be in the top 16 for the next MLG, though with much lower seeds (drewbie could very well lose his spot entirely)

Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 05 2011 22:17 GMT
#21290
On June 06 2011 07:17 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:16 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:16 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:15 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:14 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:14 Drazerk wrote:
Game Three is now starting on Typhon Peaks


In the Top left is Losira

While in the Top Right is MMA


2:00

Refinery on the way for MMA


2:10

Hatch first for Losira


3:00

Pool starting for Losira

Tech lab on the barracks


3:45

Reaper on the way for MMA


4:00


Command centre on the way for MMA

Ling speed starting for Losira
Nyor
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany35 Posts
June 05 2011 22:17 GMT
#21291
On June 06 2011 07:15 Il1idan wrote:
just wondering are tastosis casting in korea or at mlg? I Probably missed it and can't find the answer


They're at MLG.
Genome852
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States979 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 22:20:58
June 05 2011 22:17 GMT
#21292
On June 06 2011 07:09 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:03 Coutcha wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:02 rysecake wrote:
On June 06 2011 06:59 Cel.erity wrote:
On June 06 2011 06:55 Contagious wrote:
On June 06 2011 06:52 Stonedviper wrote:
On June 06 2011 06:36 DizzyDrone wrote:
On June 06 2011 06:35 Stonedviper wrote:
So idra gets into code A now right? will he go or say that korea is unbalanced? I don't think he's the type to go back to the major leagues and would rather stay in the minors and dominate the lower talent.


Idra already said he won't go to Korea, not for code A nor code S. In Korea you basically only play the GSL while there's a lot more oppurtunities in the US and Europe


Yea i wouldn't want to play in the NFL and play for $50,000 when i can dominate the CFL and win the $250 prize pools. The only prize pools worth anything in the US are the MLG overall championship and blizzcon and the koreans will come to win those.

Thats the problem with the north american players, they want to settle for lesser leagues because becoming the best takes too much work.

I think idra doesnt want to go back to korea because he got run out the first time because of his attitude is my guess.

He didn't get run out -.-.. He said the scene is easier to succeed here instead of playing in one hard tournament.


Between NASL, IEM, Dreamhack, and MLG, the prize pool for foreign events is bigger than that of the GSL. Korea has their own smaller tournaments, I realize, but I believe the two scenes are pretty equal in terms of prize pool, and the foreign scene is much easier. It makes a lot more sense to stay in the US, where you were _born_, than to live in a foreign country where you'll probably end up making less money.


Foreigners can say goodbye to easy money. If koreans start invading western lans foreigners are gonna be bankrupt soon.


or learn to be better gamer...


Won't happen, if Koreans start coming to major western tournaments then western e-sports will die. They will just dominate everything, the scene will get stagnant and boring, and that will be it.


I am really having trouble seeing how you came to this conclusion.

Korean's aren't better in SC2 because of their genetics. They train harder. There is no reason why Korean players deserve to win any less than westerners. If anything, I'd think it would make the western e-sports scene stronger as people train and compete harder, making the game evolve more quickly as a whole.

Also, blocking tournaments to players because of their race / nationality is pretty much unacceptable.
KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
June 05 2011 22:17 GMT
#21293
On June 06 2011 07:12 Sideburn wrote:
I'm disappointed that people don't care now that it's only Koreans. MMA is my favorite player, and I really like MC and July too. It's the foreigners that are the most boring to me, tbh.


Im not sure why but I don't really care who wins at this point ...I love MMA and MC but for some reason since its not the GSL I dont care which Korean .wins if this was the GSL I would be really into it ..

also ... I have been watching this tourney for 3 days now ... Im pretty tired out
Nightmare1795
Profile Joined June 2011
United States222 Posts
June 05 2011 22:17 GMT
#21294
On June 06 2011 07:16 Wargizmo wrote:

From Sundance:

MLG viewer "heat map"
http://lockerz.com/s/108086220

Some guy in pakistan is watching lol...

Quoting so more people can see. MLG is awesome!
fghtuetg
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany65 Posts
June 05 2011 22:17 GMT
#21295
On June 06 2011 07:16 Wargizmo wrote:

From Sundance:

MLG viewer "heat map"
http://lockerz.com/s/108086220

Some guy in pakistan is watching lol...


and absolutly no one in italy? oO
mholden02
Profile Joined October 2010
387 Posts
June 05 2011 22:17 GMT
#21296
TASTOSIS IS SUPERIOR TO DAY9/WHEAT

I didn't always know this, but it is true. Tastosis take a more professional adult aproach which I have come to appreciate.

Dsy9 is a little too over-excited, like creating excitemennt at a tweens birthday party. Toning down the "CHEER FOR XXXX" stuff is necessary.

IMO
ABPID
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands293 Posts
June 05 2011 22:17 GMT
#21297
On June 06 2011 07:15 NexUmbra wrote:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.

Yeah MMA gets it anyway.


Another thing I spotted is

If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.

So then who gets it, Naniwa, Slush, Moon, ?

because IdrA woul sayno.

Not true for columbus, it's been posted a zillion times here already
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
June 05 2011 22:18 GMT
#21298
On June 06 2011 07:15 KimJongChill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:11 Caphe wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:10 Zane wrote:
MMA is eating Losira alive in a macro game.

No, Losira beat himself by donating units like they are free.


Wow this is just so wrong. What he did do well is snipe the nest though, that was the coffin nail after losira donated his units.


No. Did you see how many units Losira lost by trying to go all the way around MMA's army? He lost like half of the units. MMA did not beat him macro-wise
Provocateur
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1665 Posts
June 05 2011 22:18 GMT
#21299
Seems like there are some occasional lagspikes in the game =/
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
June 05 2011 22:18 GMT
#21300
On June 06 2011 07:16 Coolwhip wrote:
Only Koreans left is kind of a downer. Not sure if it's worth staying up for.

Come on, it was to be expected.
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