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On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote: Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans.
I wouldn't necessarily say that it's the direct results of having only Koreans left. There was so much backstory behind IdrA/MC that it grasped everyone's attention. Losira and MMA just doesn't have that animosity between them, or else it would be a lot different.
But having no foreigners remaining definitely won't help the cause.
Even before the Idra match, during the Naniwa of earlier matches. This thread was moving much much faster.
I know for me personally the level of interest just dropped off, it honestly makes me no difference at all who wins now, because these players mean nothing to me.
Ok so go away and stop posting your anti-korean player crap.
If you can't appreciate good play and just want to base your viewership off of popularity go follow real celebrities.
Yay go MMA ^_^ such a baller nerd
Agreed, true fans of the game can appreciate the amazing skill level of these finals. And I still love cheering against Zerg no matter who's playing
On June 06 2011 06:45 mordk wrote: I think we can take some conclusions from MLG now:
1.- Koreans are the better SC2 players: All koreans (except for moon) performed very well on pool play, while dealing with jetlag. Koreans in the championship bracket were only eliminated by koreans. Top 3 is all-korean. I think it's proof enough, even if I think the foreigner pool could be a bit stronger, I don't think the results would be too different.
2.- Nani is best foreigner protoss, hands down. Idra's position as best foreigner zerg is kinda doubtful, you can't be the best with that terrible mindset.
3.- Thorzain is a great player and TSL3 wasn't a fluke at all. Sheth shows TONS of promise, as do Major and ViBe, for the foreigner scene.
4.- Koreans are better showmakers as far as gaming stuff go. This whole "MC SO BM" thing is ridiculous, he's putting up a show. This is why MC's "BM" is different from idra's. He uses it to entertain the crowd, not to randomly dish shit like Idra does all the time. We could see how MC actually feels about his opponents. He very respectfully hand shook with nani and moon, and probably T-zain as well.
5.- Tastosis is funnier that Day/WHEAT, but the latter can make games a little more exciting.
6.- This was, all in all, a GREAT EVENT. Props to MLG for surviving the Dallas disaster and becoming a lot better. Really, congratulations, you've shown balls.
After this I'm completely convinced that Thorzain, Nani, and Idra are the best foreigners of their races. What other foreigner could have achieved Idra's results? Sheth? Sen? Morrow? Sheth and Morrow tried, and I don't think Sen is on Idra's level.
I would be very careful about talking in absolutes like that. There are some very good player missing at this tourney. Sen and Dimaga are both very close to Idra's level and neither suffer from the mental block that seems to meet Idra when he's faced with the best competition available. What about WhiteRa? Or Strelok? I wouldn't say the are definitly worse than Naniwa and Thorzain.
The Starswar also showed that there is a lot of awesome chinese players that are mostly unknown in the westerns community.
I don't think Sen would've done much better on a skill-by-skill level but he has a much better mentality than IdrA. He would not have tilted against MMA or MC. If he had IdrA's results at that same point in time, I think Sen would've gone further. Of course, pre-tilt IdrA was playing an awesome game so there I don't think Sen would've done better.
Of all the foreigners in MLG, Thorzain impresses the most. He has the will to keep playing even when he's behind, even when everything is against him. And he took MC down two games while playing from behind, compared to IdrA's 0-4 when ahead. I think Thorzain is the best foreigner player this MLG, and it's only because players like Socke, Kas, and White-Ra are not here that I'm not declaring Thorzain the best foreigner player.
This is a good point. While I question the idea in general, I think it's pretty clear that he had ridiculous lings everywhere so he could remake his banelings in large number immediately. Obviously the big hole in that is a nest snipe, which happened, and then it was just like "Oh, well, that's that".
The attack was really bad too, though. I don't think he could have won with that, but, he could have at least cut MMA's army significantly, instead of, not at all.
On June 06 2011 07:12 Savern101 wrote: I don't see how we can say that Koreans have completely dominated when they've blown up their own CC's and done the most retarded attacks (like losira that game)... I am confused.
I dunno, Idra's first 3 losses to MC were even more mindboggling.
im sick of hearing how MMA has done nothing and is only good in the GSTL. are you guys fking watching his games? he aint no jobber. he is code s level easy
On June 06 2011 07:09 YodaGoneMad wrote: Won't happen, if Koreans start coming to major western tournaments then western e-sports will die. They will just dominate everything, the scene will get stagnant and boring, and that will be it.
That is a terrible attitude. Every time we have an event with Koreans like this the foreigners get better, give it time. Also having Koreans owning is good for the general narrative, it will be more awesome when foreigners start winning.
I'm actually happy that Koreans are owning, it means the game is good and practice matters.
MMA is guaranteed the Code S spot right, since even if he loses it'd trickle down to him? Or is in the MLG rules that it has to go to a foreigner? That would be lame =\
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