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On June 13 2011 01:21 5ukkub wrote:
Who's that Blasphemi troll guy?
Is he omnipotent to judge inquestionably who's better?
ever seen an ugly building?
if you watch a lot of pro games it's easy to criticize pro players and identify mistakes
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Also for people asking for updates, the Bracket image on the first page of this thread is getting updated as players are eliminated/re-seeded.
I really like Ra but I'm kind of hoping for an all mouz finals.
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On June 13 2011 01:26 ChickenLips wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 01:21 5ukkub wrote:
Who's that Blasphemi troll guy?
Is he omnipotent to judge inquestionably who's better?
ever seen an ugly building? if you watch a lot of pro games it's easy to criticize pro players and identify mistakes
Exactly.
Can all you guys new to TL stop bickering and flaming people for their opinions? If you disagree with someone, argue using intellect and actual reasoning, don't just say "you're a troll you're a noob fuck you" and leave it at that.
You can disagree with people and not be a dick about it.
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On June 13 2011 01:24 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 01:19 SuperStyle wrote:On June 13 2011 01:16 Blasphemi wrote:On June 13 2011 01:11 SuperStyle wrote:On June 13 2011 01:06 Blasphemi wrote:On June 13 2011 01:04 SuperStyle wrote:On June 13 2011 00:59 Soap wrote:On June 13 2011 00:52 SuperStyle wrote:On June 13 2011 00:46 cyclone25 wrote:On June 13 2011 00:45 Pochtli wrote:
":DD funny right?" -Kas
Wonder what he meant by that. He's frustrated that he's losing to someone who doesn't play 24/7 like him He's complaining a lot about balance lately (both in TvP and TvZ). Whats with people bashing on Kas today? Isnt he allowed to have like 1 fucking bad day where he loses all games and says something other than gg ? I mean im watching SC2 like 6 hours a day or more because my works lets me do it and i have never NEVER seen Kas cry about game balance. Also calling him a kid when hes about the same age as Whitera is just sad from your side considering your like under 18 years of age. Nope. Because if Lee Wannabe Pro has a "bad day" on GSL Code A we all would have a fun time bashing him, I'd rather hold to that standard than massage the ego of a bad player just because he is from a scene where you are not really required to be good. So Kas is a bad player and EU scene is bad and to win something as big as this Invitational does not require you to be good ? Ok bro, thank god your LA scene is so good. There are some great EU players. Particularly Naniwa and Thorzain because they've proven their skills in big LAN's and the biggest tournaments against some of the best players in the world. Sjow won more big lans than Naniwa and Thorzain combined for example. Anyways id like to hear your opinions on NA scene if you guys think EU is bad... that would make NA utter crap right ? The top NA players are really good -- so Huk, Select, Idra, Kiwikaki. But NA has very little depth compared with EU. Sjow's LAN wins were all basically EU only LAN's. I really don't rate Sjow, he is tactically fine but his mustitasking leaves a lot to be desired, as July showed at MLG Sjow just didn't have the mechanics and multitasking to compete at that level (without resorting to 2 port Banshee), where as Thorzain has clearly proven he does. Sjow is like one of 3-4 people that actually managed to take a game of one of the Koreans, not to mention he was actually very close to beating MMA, something no one even came close to. Also top EU >> NA by far Sure u have Idra whos a beast but thats about it tbh at the moment, while EU has far far more people who are up there with Idra. I missed the Sjow/MMA game that Sjow won, I only saw the base race one so I can't comment on that, but Sjow's win over July was pure cheese with the two port Banshee and the straight up games he played July dominated him completely. Sjow also lost to Moon who isn't a great player at all. Idra's the best foreigner full stop, I know he has his moments but MLG proved without a doubt that he is the only foreigner at a Korean level in terms of abilitiy, even if he has some work to do mentally. Kiwikaki and Select had terrible tournaments but I think they're as good as any EU players other than Thorzain and Naniwa. Huk is Code S. He's not really played the best opponents in Korea but getting Code S is no small feat and something I really doubt Sjow would manage.
ThorZain and Naniwa are better than IdrA.
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On June 13 2011 01:24 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 01:16 Blasphemi wrote:On June 13 2011 01:11 SuperStyle wrote:On June 13 2011 01:06 Blasphemi wrote:On June 13 2011 01:04 SuperStyle wrote:On June 13 2011 00:59 Soap wrote:On June 13 2011 00:52 SuperStyle wrote:On June 13 2011 00:46 cyclone25 wrote:On June 13 2011 00:45 Pochtli wrote:
":DD funny right?" -Kas
Wonder what he meant by that. He's frustrated that he's losing to someone who doesn't play 24/7 like him He's complaining a lot about balance lately (both in TvP and TvZ). Whats with people bashing on Kas today? Isnt he allowed to have like 1 fucking bad day where he loses all games and says something other than gg ? I mean im watching SC2 like 6 hours a day or more because my works lets me do it and i have never NEVER seen Kas cry about game balance. Also calling him a kid when hes about the same age as Whitera is just sad from your side considering your like under 18 years of age. Nope. Because if Lee Wannabe Pro has a "bad day" on GSL Code A we all would have a fun time bashing him, I'd rather hold to that standard than massage the ego of a bad player just because he is from a scene where you are not really required to be good. So Kas is a bad player and EU scene is bad and to win something as big as this Invitational does not require you to be good ? Ok bro, thank god your LA scene is so good. There are some great EU players. Particularly Naniwa and Thorzain because they've proven their skills in big LAN's and the biggest tournaments against some of the best players in the world. Sjow won more big lans than Naniwa and Thorzain combined for example. Anyways id like to hear your opinions on NA scene if you guys think EU is bad... that would make NA utter crap right ? The top NA players are really good -- so Huk, Select, Idra, Kiwikaki. But NA has very little depth compared with EU. Sjow's LAN wins were all basically EU only LAN's. I really don't rate Sjow, he is tactically fine but his mustitasking leaves a lot to be desired, as July showed at MLG Sjow just didn't have the mechanics and multitasking to compete at that level (without resorting to 2 port Banshee), where as Thorzain has clearly proven he does. Sjow's micro as well is very questionable and it's pretty normal to see him floating a lot of minerals in late game and leaving units complete unmicroed because his attention is elsewhere. Yea we saw how good select and kiwi was in the last MLG did they actually win a match ? plz go away you allways spouting crap
Well if you want to only use the last MLG as your evidence for everything then basically Koreans are God's and everyone else is fighting to be the best of the worst.
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just tuned in and have to say that totalbiscuit is really a very entertaining caster i love it. would love to see him at mlg or something big in the future 
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Who is observing? other than TB?
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On June 13 2011 01:30 !LL wrote:just tuned in and have to say that totalbiscuit is really a very entertaining caster i love it. would love to see him at mlg or something big in the future
Rumor has it Sundance is trying to get him for a future MLG.
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If Morrow takes this series he should be able to make it all the way to the finals as I seem to recall that Mana's main weakness is his PvZ. And seeing as Morrow is his teammate, he should be able to exploit those weaknesses fully
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wait... floating lurkers? what is this...
On June 13 2011 01:31 Benjef wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 01:30 !LL wrote:just tuned in and have to say that totalbiscuit is really a very entertaining caster i love it. would love to see him at mlg or something big in the future Rumor has it Sundance is trying to get him for a future MLG.
TB + Day9 would be amazing, they're both really high energy casters.
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On June 13 2011 01:30 Benjef wrote:
Who is observing? other than TB?
Naniwa was invited for this game, just as an obs.
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On June 13 2011 01:29 Fanta_Rules wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 01:24 Blasphemi wrote:On June 13 2011 01:19 SuperStyle wrote:On June 13 2011 01:16 Blasphemi wrote:On June 13 2011 01:11 SuperStyle wrote:On June 13 2011 01:06 Blasphemi wrote:On June 13 2011 01:04 SuperStyle wrote:On June 13 2011 00:59 Soap wrote:On June 13 2011 00:52 SuperStyle wrote:On June 13 2011 00:46 cyclone25 wrote:
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He's frustrated that he's losing to someone who doesn't play 24/7 like him
He's complaining a lot about balance lately (both in TvP and TvZ). Whats with people bashing on Kas today? Isnt he allowed to have like 1 fucking bad day where he loses all games and says something other than gg ? I mean im watching SC2 like 6 hours a day or more because my works lets me do it and i have never NEVER seen Kas cry about game balance. Also calling him a kid when hes about the same age as Whitera is just sad from your side considering your like under 18 years of age. Nope. Because if Lee Wannabe Pro has a "bad day" on GSL Code A we all would have a fun time bashing him, I'd rather hold to that standard than massage the ego of a bad player just because he is from a scene where you are not really required to be good. So Kas is a bad player and EU scene is bad and to win something as big as this Invitational does not require you to be good ? Ok bro, thank god your LA scene is so good. There are some great EU players. Particularly Naniwa and Thorzain because they've proven their skills in big LAN's and the biggest tournaments against some of the best players in the world. Sjow won more big lans than Naniwa and Thorzain combined for example. Anyways id like to hear your opinions on NA scene if you guys think EU is bad... that would make NA utter crap right ? The top NA players are really good -- so Huk, Select, Idra, Kiwikaki. But NA has very little depth compared with EU. Sjow's LAN wins were all basically EU only LAN's. I really don't rate Sjow, he is tactically fine but his mustitasking leaves a lot to be desired, as July showed at MLG Sjow just didn't have the mechanics and multitasking to compete at that level (without resorting to 2 port Banshee), where as Thorzain has clearly proven he does. Sjow is like one of 3-4 people that actually managed to take a game of one of the Koreans, not to mention he was actually very close to beating MMA, something no one even came close to. Also top EU >> NA by far Sure u have Idra whos a beast but thats about it tbh at the moment, while EU has far far more people who are up there with Idra. I missed the Sjow/MMA game that Sjow won, I only saw the base race one so I can't comment on that, but Sjow's win over July was pure cheese with the two port Banshee and the straight up games he played July dominated him completely. Sjow also lost to Moon who isn't a great player at all. Idra's the best foreigner full stop, I know he has his moments but MLG proved without a doubt that he is the only foreigner at a Korean level in terms of abilitiy, even if he has some work to do mentally. Kiwikaki and Select had terrible tournaments but I think they're as good as any EU players other than Thorzain and Naniwa. Huk is Code S. He's not really played the best opponents in Korea but getting Code S is no small feat and something I really doubt Sjow would manage. ThorZain and Naniwa are better than IdrA.
I think Thorzain could be maybe, would like to see him go to Korea.
Naniwa was really badly outclassed versus Losira and MC which is the first time he's met the best of the best without lag.
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Thorzain vs Nerchio should've at the same time? (according to Thorzain's twitter).
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On June 13 2011 01:24 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 01:19 SuperStyle wrote:On June 13 2011 01:16 Blasphemi wrote:On June 13 2011 01:11 SuperStyle wrote:On June 13 2011 01:06 Blasphemi wrote:On June 13 2011 01:04 SuperStyle wrote:On June 13 2011 00:59 Soap wrote:On June 13 2011 00:52 SuperStyle wrote:On June 13 2011 00:46 cyclone25 wrote:On June 13 2011 00:45 Pochtli wrote:
":DD funny right?" -Kas
Wonder what he meant by that. He's frustrated that he's losing to someone who doesn't play 24/7 like him He's complaining a lot about balance lately (both in TvP and TvZ). Whats with people bashing on Kas today? Isnt he allowed to have like 1 fucking bad day where he loses all games and says something other than gg ? I mean im watching SC2 like 6 hours a day or more because my works lets me do it and i have never NEVER seen Kas cry about game balance. Also calling him a kid when hes about the same age as Whitera is just sad from your side considering your like under 18 years of age. Nope. Because if Lee Wannabe Pro has a "bad day" on GSL Code A we all would have a fun time bashing him, I'd rather hold to that standard than massage the ego of a bad player just because he is from a scene where you are not really required to be good. So Kas is a bad player and EU scene is bad and to win something as big as this Invitational does not require you to be good ? Ok bro, thank god your LA scene is so good. There are some great EU players. Particularly Naniwa and Thorzain because they've proven their skills in big LAN's and the biggest tournaments against some of the best players in the world. Sjow won more big lans than Naniwa and Thorzain combined for example. Anyways id like to hear your opinions on NA scene if you guys think EU is bad... that would make NA utter crap right ? The top NA players are really good -- so Huk, Select, Idra, Kiwikaki. But NA has very little depth compared with EU. Sjow's LAN wins were all basically EU only LAN's. I really don't rate Sjow, he is tactically fine but his mustitasking leaves a lot to be desired, as July showed at MLG Sjow just didn't have the mechanics and multitasking to compete at that level (without resorting to 2 port Banshee), where as Thorzain has clearly proven he does. Sjow is like one of 3-4 people that actually managed to take a game of one of the Koreans, not to mention he was actually very close to beating MMA, something no one even came close to. Also top EU >> NA by far Sure u have Idra whos a beast but thats about it tbh at the moment, while EU has far far more people who are up there with Idra. I missed the Sjow/MMA game that Sjow won, I only saw the base race one so I can't comment on that, but Sjow's win over July was pure cheese with the two port Banshee and the straight up games he played July dominated him completely. Sjow also lost to Moon who isn't a great player at all. Idra's the best foreigner full stop, I know he has his moments but MLG proved without a doubt that he is the only foreigner at a Korean level in terms of abilitiy, even if he has some work to do mentally. Kiwikaki and Select had terrible tournaments but I think they're as good as any EU players other than Thorzain and Naniwa. Huk is Code S. He's not really played the best opponents in Korea but getting Code S is no small feat and something I really doubt Sjow would manage.
You are forgetting that in the last MLG Koreans only got knocked out by another Korean and not by a foreigner. While Moon is bad for Korean standards hes still as good as Idra or Naniwa for foreign standards.
The game Sjow won was with 2 port banshee but it wasnt a cheese, July went for an early roach rush and killed off Sjows expo and backed off, Sjow just made 2 ports and banshees and well killed July that didnt even bother to scout or respond in any way to those banshees.
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On June 13 2011 01:31 Benjef wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 01:30 !LL wrote:just tuned in and have to say that totalbiscuit is really a very entertaining caster i love it. would love to see him at mlg or something big in the future Rumor has it Sundance is trying to get him for a future MLG.
cant wait thx for the info
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On June 13 2011 01:24 Blasphemi wrote:
Idra's the best foreigner full stop, I know he has his moments but MLG proved without a doubt that he is the only foreigner at a Korean level in terms of abilitiy, even if he has some work to do mentally.
How can you be so sure? Naniwa and Thorzain have far better recent results than Idra does.
If we only go by MLG, sure, Idra beat MC 2-0 and then "tilted". Thorzain would've beaten MC 2-1 the second time if it wasn't for the extended series. Thorzain also 2-0'd Idra. Naniwa 2-0'd Moon but got eliminated by MC, a fate he shared with Idra.
If we go by pure hype, sure, Idra is the best foreigner by far. Actual results however show otherwise, Naniwa and Thorzain are at the same level with him.
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On June 13 2011 01:33 Garnet wrote:
Thorzain vs Nerchio should've at the same time? (according to Thorzain's twitter).
TB's stream is using JTV's new stream delay stuff I believe. It'll be following after the MorroW/Sjow series ^^
Speaking of that, can someone be sure to post when Tzain vs Nerchio is up, had to do more work so stopped watching for now TT
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TB forgot to show the name tags (w/e they are called, which show player names and supply on the top middle).
Looks like all-in coming from Morrow and Sjow doesn't look prepared at all for it.
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On June 13 2011 01:35 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 01:33 Garnet wrote:
Thorzain vs Nerchio should've at the same time? (according to Thorzain's twitter). TB's stream is using JTV's new stream delay stuff I believe. It'll be following after the MorroW/Sjow series ^^ Speaking of that, can someone be sure to post when Tzain vs Nerchio is up, had to do more work so stopped watching for now TT
youre not missing much, seems like the both of them are more messing around at the team house rather than playing seriously
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