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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
May 09 2011 11:50 GMT
#1621
There is a difference between 2 rax pressure and 2 rax all-in. What Jinro did, is pretty much all-in since if you defend it and don't lose your whole base, you win. On the other hand this rush is so easy to do and so hard to defend at least from my experience.(especially because it's sometimes impossible to target scv building..)
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
NExt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1651 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 11:51:24
May 09 2011 11:50 GMT
#1622
On May 09 2011 20:48 My_Kaiser wrote:
I think team liquid should focus on western e sport like all the western team. I know about all the BW history but holding on to romantic idea about winning in Korea isn't going to get you anywhere.


if your going to get into esports. do it in the biggest scene in the world. Lets get real, money talks, at the moment the highest potential money is in Kore (until the past few weeks of course) but Korea still brings in the income a lot more.

PLUS: everyone whos travelled there has said, "if you are serious about gaming, play in korea and the training is irreplacable".

Don't make final judgements over a few games. We all have those days, we all have those games.

gl hf Jinro. 1 more.
Waiting for Protoss Jesus
Raambo11
Profile Joined April 2011
United States828 Posts
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1623
I cant believe people are calling this bitbybit. Did you guys watch the first game? 48 drones to 27 scvs or something like that is easily what the zerg can make it look like early game if Terran does not put on early pressure. This is not a balance whine it is just almost neccessary for Terran to stay close to even in workers. 2 rax is very beatable early game and Zenio just had problems handling it.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12024 Posts
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1624
On May 09 2011 20:50 jinro_noob wrote:
Jinro bunker rush newbie, gtfo of code S


Huh? Bunker rushes are really hard to do against good players.
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cENTRYZ
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway832 Posts
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1625
I don't care how you win Jinro, just win. Its so important for you, TL & foreigners.
Goliathsorrow
Profile Joined September 2010
Italy317 Posts
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1626
As much as I dislike cheese, Jinro does not deserve the hate shown in this thread.

And it's not like he does that everygame ala rain/bitbybit.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 11:51:32
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1627
how is 2 rax pressure an allin, it's just a standard opening

not that it matters if it was
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Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1628
On May 09 2011 20:48 My_Kaiser wrote:
I think team liquid should focus on western e sport like all the western team. I know about all the BW history but holding on to romantic idea about winning in Korea isn't going to get you anywhere.


I would agree. But if it's their dream they can go for it, their choice after all. TLO and IdrA left.
proxY_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1561 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 11:52:08
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1629
Well Zenio doing a speed first build, against a 2 rax. I feel like Jinro can exploit this if he hits his timings.

and the 2 rax bunker isn't cheese at all it's a pressure build ffs.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1630
On May 09 2011 20:48 Poopi wrote:
The only way to beat a zerg is double rax bunker? I guess Mvp was right.


Yes, this one game is complete and utter incontrovertible proof that double rax bunker is the only way to beat zerg.
GD1
Profile Joined March 2011
29 Posts
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1631
Jinro can beat this guy straight up he just needs to stop these banshee pushes since they set him sooooooo far behind
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1632
On May 09 2011 20:48 My_Kaiser wrote:
I think team liquid should focus on western e sport like all the western team. I know about all the BW history but holding on to romantic idea about winning in Korea isn't going to get you anywhere.


It got them to Top4 in best SC2 league in the world, twice. Pretty effing big deal if you ask me!
NUTELLA y u no make me skinny?!?
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1633
On May 09 2011 20:50 Shalaiyn wrote:
I hope Zenio wins, that first game shows Zenio's still got it and I'd rather see macro zerg games than shit bunker rushes. :/


Macro TvZ is dead. You have to open aggressively or you loose the game right there.

Blame Z's for playing too greedy, not terrans for exploiting it.
Magnus Strongchest
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia89 Posts
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1634
People seem to be forgetting that 2 rax bunker rush doesn't put the terran behind economically at all.
zende
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden234 Posts
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1635
this isn't even dirty play. terran has to harass zerg in early/midgame to be able to get even economy later in the game. he's tried hellion, both zergs he faced today went really fast roaches and he couldn't even touch a drone. the only way he's been able to harass the zerg is through the 2rax and he's not even all-ining. he got a cc, a factory etc etc and transitioned out of it.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1636
On May 09 2011 20:50 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 20:49 Beyonder wrote:
Maybe the zerg should not try to be so greedy


Wasn't it already confirmed by every top zerg that FE is the better build against 2rax compared to speed first?

With scvs? I dont think so.
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1637
Zenio playing super safe now, pool speed before hatch.
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1638
On May 09 2011 20:50 Gantritor wrote:
Boxer vs Yellow bunker rushes were pimpest plays... and Jinro cannot bunker rush Zenio? Lol...I notice some bias.


i didn't realize it was 2004.
Scila
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1849 Posts
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1639
On May 09 2011 20:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
how is 2 rax pressure an allin, it's just a standard opening

not that it matters if it was


Thank you! So many angry Zergs here.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
MLG_Wiggin
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States767 Posts
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#1640
On May 09 2011 20:48 Pwnographics wrote:
Jinro is horrible at the moment, bunker rushes, 2 raxes, and completely getting owned by macro games.


So he's like any other Terran at the moment? So he should sit back and let Zenio get to 50 drones in 5 minutes?

Why is it cheese because the Zerg lets a bunker finish?

Seriously ridiculous amount of hypocritical whining going on lately. I don't get how people can hate on Jinro for doing the only builds that are working for Terrans lately.
@DBWiggin, SC2 ref
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