EPTSo he didnt win the 3rd gsl, god he must be a terrible risky cheeser then.
lol use your heads guys
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
So he didnt win the 3rd gsl, god he must be a terrible risky cheeser then. lol use your heads guys | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On April 20 2011 08:07 MechKing wrote: This, exactly. There are a bunch of players in Code A that are probably better than most code S players. People don't seem to realize the amount of talent that is in code A. MMA, Bomber, Mvp, Leenock, Choya, Ryung, BoxeR, aLive.... the list goes on. I lol-ed. On April 20 2011 09:21 Darpa wrote: I love all the doom and gloom about MC and how hes just cheesy and arrogant.... Were talking a guy who won 2 gsl's, cleaned up the GSTL and dream hack. I think people are just not happy with the way he plays. Can't say I agree with them, but I do see why he gets hated on: 1. He wins most of his games by 1/2 base aggression (note I didn't say all-in) 2. He cheesed against White-Ra 3. He's arrogant. | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On April 20 2011 09:21 Darpa wrote: I love all the doom and gloom about MC and how hes just cheesy and arrogant.... Were talking a guy who won 2 gsl's, cleaned up the GSTL and dream hack. So he didnt win the 3rd gsl, god he must be a terrible risky cheeser then. lol use your heads guys GSTL? lol | ||
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MechKing
United States3004 Posts
On April 20 2011 09:54 pdd wrote: I lol-ed. I think people are just not happy with the way he plays. Can't say I agree with them, but I do see why he gets hated on: 1. He wins most of his games by 1/2 base aggression (note I didn't say all-in) 2. He cheesed against White-Ra 3. He's arrogant. Choya has proven that he can compete with code S players. Not to pick on HuK or anything, but Choya has beaten more top players than he has overall. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On April 20 2011 10:02 MechKing wrote: Choya has proven that he can compete with code S players. Not to pick on HuK or anything, but Choya has beaten more top players than he has overall. Don't disagree with the fact that he's beaten players before, but based on potential and playstyle alone, I don't think he's that good. He won most of his games through 1 or 2 base all-ins and when he played macro games he got outplayed (see game vs Jinro GSL3). Besides, he's a coach on fOu and that would mean limited practice time, so I doubt that he will do that well. But who knows. I just thought it was funny that you mixed him with a bunch of players who actually have tonnes of potential (Boxer aside, but Boxer's been showing that he can pull of surprises - see his TSL3 RO16 game). | ||
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Gobe
210 Posts
On April 20 2011 00:09 Executor1 wrote: lol do you know what cheesing is? because it defenetly isnt trying to expand and tech at the same time =/. That may be taking a risk but it doesnt win or lose you the game right there for sure. It's attempting to secure an advantage over the other player without actually outplaying them. I'd consider it cheesy, because if it's scouted, it's easily countered, but if it's not, then the player should win. | ||
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MechKing
United States3004 Posts
On April 20 2011 10:08 pdd wrote: Don't disagree with the fact that he's beaten players before, but based on potential and playstyle alone, I don't think he's that good. He won most of his games through 1 or 2 base all-ins and when he played macro games he got outplayed (see game vs Jinro GSL3). Besides, he's a coach on fOu and that would mean limited practice time, so I doubt that he will do that well. But who knows. I just thought it was funny that you mixed him with a bunch of players who actually have tonnes of potential (Boxer aside, but Boxer's been showing that he can pull of surprises - see his TSL3 RO16 game). Yeah, I can see your point  I'm just pointing out that choya has actually been pretty consistent for getting out of his ro32 group. also, vs jinro in GSL3 he forgot thermal lance, which could have possibly been a win for him if he did remember it lol. I don't think choya is amazing but he's definitely good enough to stay code A at least for another season. | ||
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Bluerain
United States348 Posts
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SpecFire
United States1681 Posts
On April 20 2011 08:33 LeopoldStotch wrote: Your thoughts are idiotic (my thoughts). Why on earth are whitera fanboys so bitter about him losing to MC? People seem to forget how cheesy whitera was during the beta with his void ray harass. Whitera has also done just as many, if not more 4 gates in his series vs MC. Whitera got punished in his games vs MC because of his overall strategy. MC lost to Polt because of his retarded strategy. Shit happens, if it didn't then there would be grandmaster players out there with 100% win ratio. Agreed. Stupid foreign bias. LEAVE ALL BIAS OUT, MC lost today because he did not play well. Is he a great player? One of the best. For god sakes, you cannot win CONSTANTLY win BIG tournaments with CHEESY play. You cannot win with RISKY play. People figured out BitByBit. Why havent they figured out MC if he is SOOO cheesy? MC was BRILLIANT to pull out a proxy 2 gate because it was the LAST game of the entire tournament. It takes guts to do that. MC lost today because he did not play well. It doesnt freaking mean he is cheesy, risky, or bad. | ||
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SpecFire
United States1681 Posts
On April 20 2011 09:21 Darpa wrote: I love all the doom and gloom about MC and how hes just cheesy and arrogant.... Were talking a guy who won 2 gsl's, cleaned up the GSTL and dream hack. So he didnt win the 3rd gsl, god he must be a terrible risky cheeser then. lol use your heads guys And agreed once again. MC is no doubt an amazing player. He simply did not play well today. Stop this stupid bias and realize that this game is still young and the meta game is still not established for champions to win over and over again. It isn't karma or anything. And you know he is arrogant because without it he would be just a normal Starcraft 2 player. Personality is fun in esports. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
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Battousai13
United States638 Posts
I don't know how many people travel often, but it's pretty taxing on yourself. Also consider that MC just finished competing at Dreamhack. He's in the NASL, and he's in the GSL as well. Those are quite a few tournaments to be preparing for. Adding on traveling through different time zones, it's not hard to dedeuce how tired MC must be. MC is not playing at top form, and he lost using bad openings. The God Protoss just isn't at 100%. And there are plenty of other tournaments popping up that he can compete in. | ||
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sqrt
1210 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On April 20 2011 08:01 Pipeline wrote: It feels like Tyler was right when he spoke about MC on Sotg. MC plays such a dangerous and risky strat against all opponents. Its really weird to say but he doesn't look invincible any more. Btw pretty bad that the wind threw his game to supernova. lmao you guys are all funny. saying he is on the decline after he loses two games. just remember when he got knocked out of the gsl tournament after he became the gsl champ. everyone called doom doom doom but look at what he has done since, and give it more time before you lay judgments. | ||
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hmmm...
632 Posts
if mc was a foreigner, this thread would look so different. and you guys know it. what a disgrace to the "premier foreign sc community". teamliquid sc2 section is such a joke now. can't get a fucking informed discussion going on. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
Enjoyed the Code A games much more so far, but that's probably because I was subjected to way too much TvT today, and TheWind throwing his game was kind of annoying, even if SuperNoVa has a better chance in the tournament ultimately. I realize he's the coach, but he should probably be reinforcing the idea that you need to fight to win every game, not that people will throw you the game so you can advance. I guarantee that losing today will do more to improve MC's game than any of his wins have. | ||
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MeruFM
United States167 Posts
On April 20 2011 10:48 hmmm... wrote: why are sc2 threads with mc in it so full of shit these days.... if mc was a foreigner, this thread would look so different. and you guys know it. what a disgrace to the "premier foreign sc community". teamliquid sc2 section is such a joke now. can't get a fucking informed discussion going on. Because he's got a personality that clashes with what most people consider decent or well mannered. There's plenty of players who show personality that's much more endearing (MKP, Rainbow) and then there's some who are more brazen (bomber, mc). I know plenty of people in real life who aren't big fans of IdrA for the same reasons despite being a foreigner. From SC1, FireBatHero was pretty iconic for his celebrations. I'm sure plenty of people disliked him while others enjoyed his over-the-top personality. If you're trying to pursue a specific identity by exaggeration or play acting, then be prepared for both haters and lovers. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
Thing is, GSL is in tournament and not real league format, and as such, is incredibly punishing for a 1 or 2 match screw-up. Look at MVP, 2 screwups against July and down to Code A it is. I understand you hate MC because he cheesed white-ra. I understand you dislike his early pressure play (BTW he does it PERFECT), but it really doesn't make sense to say he's a bad player, he's the best protoss in the world, probably the best SC2 pro right now. He played 2 bad games, that's it. Get over it. | ||
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emecee
United States222 Posts
On April 20 2011 09:54 pdd wrote: I lol-ed. I think people are just not happy with the way he plays. Can't say I agree with them, but I do see why he gets hated on: 1. He wins most of his games by 1/2 base aggression (note I didn't say all-in) 2. He cheesed against White-Ra 3. He's arrogant. you've got to be kidding right? every player in the gsl has cheesed someone. if you think he wins most of his games by 1/2 base agression then you need to watch more of his games. | ||
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Heaton31
United States323 Posts
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