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On April 20 2011 07:18 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 07:03 Sein wrote:On April 20 2011 06:56 MrCon wrote:On April 20 2011 06:37 SpooN) wrote:
so on the vods i've noticed that tastosis has been getting a lot less (read: practically none) face time. is this the case for the live stream as well or have they just shortened the vods?
any explanation as to why this is the casE? As you and the poster above me, I noticed that too (that even made me panic a little when we didn't get to see tastosis before the first game :p) They're using a new way of introducing the players, and the first 2 matches of group stage, that's why for those two first games we have no tastosis banter before the match, which is sad. (but the prematch intros are nice) About MC, like a lot, I'm not a hater neither a fan, but I'm glad he lost. I'm not sure why. Perhaps it's because now that he his gone, anyone can win. I don't mind him cheesing WR, if you can't defend cheese, it's your own play that need fixing. I don't mind him being cocky, even if he pushes cockiness too far sometimes. Today, cheesing and humiliating his own coach on TV was too much I think. And this "strategy" of making a group with 3 ogs was, as we now know, stupid. Note that oGs didn't plan to have 3 players in one group. TheWind picked Polt (Prime) and Polt picked Supernova. Yep I know. But when the first person of the group chooses someone of his own team, a very (and obvious) good strategy is for the 3rd person to take another person from the same team as 4th place. This will mess training, team spirit, force a team kill, only "good" things. (well, perhaps thewind asked to be there so he can be out of code S and concentrate on coaching, but it's not very plausible, as he can just do this while staying in code S for as long as he can, with a GOM salary in bonus) I just don't get this group strategy from ogs.
I still don't agree that oGs planned this "group strategy". MC said during the draw that he'd like to play against the only two available players in GSL who have a winning record against him, who are Polt and Nestea. TheWinD, being the coach of oGs, asked those two players if they had any intention of picking the other one left if WinD picked one of them.
Polt: "I'll make my choice based on my own opinion rather than who MC wants, but Nestea is actually in the group of potential players that I have thought about picking."
Nestea: "I don't want to pick Polt".
TheWinD consequently picked Polt.
When it was Polt's turn to pick:
Polt: "Actually, I would never pick players that I have previously lost to. So, I'm not picking Nestea. [insert trollface here] There are two people remaining who I've previously beaten on TV. One of them is a protoss and I feel that protoss is too strong after recent patches, so I'm going to pick the other guy". -> This guy was Supernova
Do you really think oGs scripted this out?
I haven't watched TheWinD vs. Supernova and I can't say if it looked quite obvious that WinD threw his games on purpose. It's possible that he did. However, I highly doubt that they were intentionally trying to have 3 players in a group. TheWinD actually made it out of his group last season after all and finishing 4th in his group will put him in a real danger of getting relegated to Code A. You said yourself, and I agree with you on this point, that TheWinD wants to stay in Code S.
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On April 20 2011 05:19 hitman133 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 05:03 rysecake wrote:On April 20 2011 04:52 ptbl wrote:On April 20 2011 04:18 mgl0x9 wrote:
MC was overrated coming into this... sure he won 2 GSL but he is cheesier then a bag of cheetoes. He also won the Dreamhack Stockholm Invitational. I'm not sure how you can get away from calling him overrated. He has earned over 160k from tournament winnings in SC2 (http://ehcg.djgamblore.com/). He's considered the best and most dominant player at the moment in SC2. He must be doing something right. He's not really considered the best and most dominant player. Mvp is right up there with him if not above him. Right, you mean code A now right ? MVP is the best Terran, but just the same or below MC's level. MC can beat anyone on a good day. He lost today because he was too greedy, if he just played like regular, no way Polt could have had a chance.
Using the code A ticket really doesn't work. Mvp is in code A, so is MMA, Bomber, and a ton of other good players. Being in code A and code S doesn't mean much right now. You telling me people like thewind and huk are more deserving of being in code s than the aforementioned? Bomber was considered one of the best while he was in code B. MC is great, but like any other player, he has only himself to blame for his loss.
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It feels like Tyler was right when he spoke about MC on Sotg. MC plays such a dangerous and risky strat against all opponents. Its really weird to say but he doesn't look invincible any more. Btw pretty bad that the wind threw his game to supernova.
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On April 20 2011 07:56 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 07:18 MrCon wrote:On April 20 2011 07:03 Sein wrote:On April 20 2011 06:56 MrCon wrote:On April 20 2011 06:37 SpooN) wrote:
so on the vods i've noticed that tastosis has been getting a lot less (read: practically none) face time. is this the case for the live stream as well or have they just shortened the vods?
any explanation as to why this is the casE? As you and the poster above me, I noticed that too (that even made me panic a little when we didn't get to see tastosis before the first game :p) They're using a new way of introducing the players, and the first 2 matches of group stage, that's why for those two first games we have no tastosis banter before the match, which is sad. (but the prematch intros are nice) About MC, like a lot, I'm not a hater neither a fan, but I'm glad he lost. I'm not sure why. Perhaps it's because now that he his gone, anyone can win. I don't mind him cheesing WR, if you can't defend cheese, it's your own play that need fixing. I don't mind him being cocky, even if he pushes cockiness too far sometimes. Today, cheesing and humiliating his own coach on TV was too much I think. And this "strategy" of making a group with 3 ogs was, as we now know, stupid. Note that oGs didn't plan to have 3 players in one group. TheWind picked Polt (Prime) and Polt picked Supernova. Yep I know. But when the first person of the group chooses someone of his own team, a very (and obvious) good strategy is for the 3rd person to take another person from the same team as 4th place. This will mess training, team spirit, force a team kill, only "good" things. (well, perhaps thewind asked to be there so he can be out of code S and concentrate on coaching, but it's not very plausible, as he can just do this while staying in code S for as long as he can, with a GOM salary in bonus) I just don't get this group strategy from ogs. I still don't agree that oGs planned this "group strategy". MC said during the draw that he'd like to play against the only two available players in GSL who have a winning record against him, who are Polt and Nestea. TheWinD, being the coach of oGs, asked those two players if they had any intention of picking the other one left if WinD picked one of them. Polt: "I'll make my choice based on my own opinion rather than who MC wants, but Nestea is actually in the group of potential players that I have thought about picking." Nestea: "I don't want to pick Polt". TheWinD consequently picked Polt. When it was Polt's turn to pick: Polt: "Actually, I would never pick players that I have previously lost to. So, I'm not picking Nestea. [insert trollface here] There are two people remaining who I've previously beaten on TV. One of them is a protoss and I feel that protoss is too strong after recent patches, so I'm going to pick the other guy". -> This guy was Supernova Do you really think oGs scripted this out? I haven't watched TheWinD vs. Supernova and I can't say if it looked quite obvious that WinD threw his games on purpose. It's possible that he did. However, I highly doubt that they were intentionally trying to have 3 players in a group. TheWinD actually made it out of his group last season after all and finishing 4th in his group will put him in a real danger of getting relegated to Code A. You said yourself, and I agree with you on this point, that TheWinD wants to stay in Code S.
I agree, I think you misread what I said. I know they didn't planned to be 3 ogs in the same group, that's what I wrote. But MC choosing an ogs player was an obvious risk of having a 3rd ogs player, because thewind will choose Polt, then Polt's best interest is to choose a 3rd ogs player for the reasons I exposed in my last post.
It's just poor reasoning/planning from ogs (or from MC if he didn't inform his coach that's he'll choose him, which is possible)
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On April 20 2011 08:00 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 05:19 hitman133 wrote:On April 20 2011 05:03 rysecake wrote:On April 20 2011 04:52 ptbl wrote:On April 20 2011 04:18 mgl0x9 wrote:
MC was overrated coming into this... sure he won 2 GSL but he is cheesier then a bag of cheetoes. He also won the Dreamhack Stockholm Invitational. I'm not sure how you can get away from calling him overrated. He has earned over 160k from tournament winnings in SC2 (http://ehcg.djgamblore.com/). He's considered the best and most dominant player at the moment in SC2. He must be doing something right. He's not really considered the best and most dominant player. Mvp is right up there with him if not above him. Right, you mean code A now right ? MVP is the best Terran, but just the same or below MC's level. MC can beat anyone on a good day. He lost today because he was too greedy, if he just played like regular, no way Polt could have had a chance. Using the code A ticket really doesn't work. Mvp is in code A, so is MMA, Bomber, and a ton of other good players. Being in code A and code S doesn't mean much right now. You telling me people like thewind and huk are more deserving of being in code s than the aforementioned? Bomber was considered one of the best while he was in code B. MC is great, but like any other player, he has only himself to blame for his loss.
This, exactly. There are a bunch of players in Code A that are probably better than most code S players. People don't seem to realize the amount of talent that is in code A. MMA, Bomber, Mvp, Leenock, Choya, Ryung, BoxeR, aLive.... the list goes on.
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On April 20 2011 07:56 Sein wrote:
Do you really think oGs scripted this out?
No, it's nearly impossible to script out the composition of a group. But having said that, it's certainly possible (or rather probable) to have some sort of plan once the group is made and three of them are in a same group.
On April 20 2011 08:01 Pipeline wrote:
MC plays such a dangerous and risky strat against all opponents. Its really weird to say but he doesn't look invincible any more.
I mentioned it above but after watching the games it's hard to call that a 'risky' build. I'd rather call it an 'absurd' or 'nonsense' build based on false reality. I mean, imagine nexus-first on Steppes of War. It's not that far off.
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Yeah, seems like MC thought that he was so much better than Polt that he could get away with hyper greedy builds (the exact type of builds that MC loves to punish himself ironically). Most likely he thought that Polt wouldn't be good enough to punish him, or he thought that he could just outplay him so much that he could get away with this. But seriously, 1 gate expand robo observer is not making any sense, I mean, what kind of useful intel will he gets with such a fast obs ? .
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I don't think Tyler's criticism of MC applies to the way he played last night. Tyler said he took too much risk with aggression and making a lot of units very quickly, basically going all-in with his timing pushes. MC took the opposite sort of risk yesterday where he invested too much in economy and tech.
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MC does it, he's a cheesy arrogant prick.
BoxeR does it, he's a creative and brilliant hero.
just admit you dislike MC on a personal level, his play is well above par - you can't take that away from him - sorry.
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On April 20 2011 08:06 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 07:56 Sein wrote:On April 20 2011 07:18 MrCon wrote:On April 20 2011 07:03 Sein wrote:On April 20 2011 06:56 MrCon wrote:On April 20 2011 06:37 SpooN) wrote:
so on the vods i've noticed that tastosis has been getting a lot less (read: practically none) face time. is this the case for the live stream as well or have they just shortened the vods?
any explanation as to why this is the casE? As you and the poster above me, I noticed that too (that even made me panic a little when we didn't get to see tastosis before the first game :p) They're using a new way of introducing the players, and the first 2 matches of group stage, that's why for those two first games we have no tastosis banter before the match, which is sad. (but the prematch intros are nice) About MC, like a lot, I'm not a hater neither a fan, but I'm glad he lost. I'm not sure why. Perhaps it's because now that he his gone, anyone can win. I don't mind him cheesing WR, if you can't defend cheese, it's your own play that need fixing. I don't mind him being cocky, even if he pushes cockiness too far sometimes. Today, cheesing and humiliating his own coach on TV was too much I think. And this "strategy" of making a group with 3 ogs was, as we now know, stupid. Note that oGs didn't plan to have 3 players in one group. TheWind picked Polt (Prime) and Polt picked Supernova. Yep I know. But when the first person of the group chooses someone of his own team, a very (and obvious) good strategy is for the 3rd person to take another person from the same team as 4th place. This will mess training, team spirit, force a team kill, only "good" things. (well, perhaps thewind asked to be there so he can be out of code S and concentrate on coaching, but it's not very plausible, as he can just do this while staying in code S for as long as he can, with a GOM salary in bonus) I just don't get this group strategy from ogs. I still don't agree that oGs planned this "group strategy". MC said during the draw that he'd like to play against the only two available players in GSL who have a winning record against him, who are Polt and Nestea. TheWinD, being the coach of oGs, asked those two players if they had any intention of picking the other one left if WinD picked one of them. Polt: "I'll make my choice based on my own opinion rather than who MC wants, but Nestea is actually in the group of potential players that I have thought about picking." Nestea: "I don't want to pick Polt". TheWinD consequently picked Polt. When it was Polt's turn to pick: Polt: "Actually, I would never pick players that I have previously lost to. So, I'm not picking Nestea. [insert trollface here] There are two people remaining who I've previously beaten on TV. One of them is a protoss and I feel that protoss is too strong after recent patches, so I'm going to pick the other guy". -> This guy was Supernova Do you really think oGs scripted this out? I haven't watched TheWinD vs. Supernova and I can't say if it looked quite obvious that WinD threw his games on purpose. It's possible that he did. However, I highly doubt that they were intentionally trying to have 3 players in a group. TheWinD actually made it out of his group last season after all and finishing 4th in his group will put him in a real danger of getting relegated to Code A. You said yourself, and I agree with you on this point, that TheWinD wants to stay in Code S. I agree, I think you misread what I said. I know they didn't planned to be 3 ogs in the same group, that's what I wrote. But MC choosing an ogs player was an obvious risk of having a 3rd ogs player, because thewind will choose Polt, then Polt's best interest is to choose a 3rd ogs player for the reasons I exposed in my last post. It's just poor reasoning/planning from ogs (or from MC if he didn't inform his coach that's he'll choose him, which is possible)
Poor planning as a team, yes, I agree. This banter between MC and TheWinD has been going on for a few months, btw, with MC saying something along the lines of "TheWinD should retire so that he can concentrate on coaching". I believe MC said during the March GSL draw that he wanted to pick TheWinD as the last player in his group (with MVP and July) if he could, but TheWinD was already taken at that point. I feel that WinD just lets MC loose and do whatever he wants.
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I'm sad to see that MC didn't advance but I'm psyched for Supernova, he's one of my favorites. Good work to TOP also, and sC going 3-0 is a little surprising but I think he could have a damn good season.
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if anyone was gonna place 1st out of group B I definitely would bet on sC
I'm sure he'll make it to the round of 8 this season
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On April 20 2011 01:38 Tirr wrote:
MC got punished by karma for idiotical games vs White-Ra (my thoughts)
Your thoughts are idiotic (my thoughts).
Why on earth are whitera fanboys so bitter about him losing to MC? People seem to forget how cheesy whitera was during the beta with his void ray harass. Whitera has also done just as many, if not more 4 gates in his series vs MC. Whitera got punished in his games vs MC because of his overall strategy. MC lost to Polt because of his retarded strategy. Shit happens, if it didn't then there would be grandmaster players out there with 100% win ratio.
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oh well MC doesnt care he still the richest sc2 baller nerd out there.
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Still cant get over the fact MC got knocked out.
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Wow what did I watch today? Watching games that really seem like that are being thrown away on purpose is a turn off. Remember HyperDub vs MC a couple months ago with the super terrible, super late all in off 1 base against a blatant protoss fast expand? Now thewind.. Waste of time.
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On April 20 2011 08:47 Hokay wrote:
Wow what did I watch today? Watching games that really seem like that are being thrown away on purpose is a turn off. Remember HyperDub vs MC a couple months ago with the super terrible, super late all in off 1 base against a blatant protoss fast expand? Now thewind.. Waste of time.
I can't say if TheWind threw his game or not, but hyperdub actually just does bad 1 base allins rofl (in every matchup).
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Surprised MC got knocked out. Huh. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about this, to be honest. On the one hand, it's an interesting development, and I'm glad Polt stepped up to the plate when MC got just a little too greedy (twice). On the other hand ... MC just looks absolutely crushed, and I feel horrible for the poor guy. Bet the coach isn't too happy about it either, after (possibly) throwing those two games to MC and Nova.
Ah, well. Should be interesting from here on out, that's for sure, and I can't say I'm too disappointed so far. Just gotta hope that MC doesn't come up against Mvp in the Up/Down, 'cause that would suck hardcore.
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Im pretty sure there are Boxer haters like there at MC haters. Im so sure that i should be on the IM team.
I wanted to see Supernova vs MC though...
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