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On April 14 2011 14:34 sleigh bells wrote:
i don't know that proves that people just like to watch 200/200 battles above all else, or just like it when koreans lose. terribly boring, knew he was gonna lose once he let inc get to 150+
When the horse you're pulling for wins, you're happy regardless of how it happens. Most of us just wanted Incontrol to win so we enjoyed the match.
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On April 14 2011 14:40 bkrow wrote:
They need to get diggity into the studio to do more casts! He was really really good - i guess if iNcontrol plays more games, we will see more of diggity haha
Ensnare completely messed up his tech there - he delayed his vikings way to much to go bio only - and allowed iNcontrol to hit the money number of collossus; great game to watch though, very entertaining!
Well, I have to say Diggity was amazing.
When Incontrol was going to be out, I had a fair idea they would call in one of the SC2GG guys, and with Moletrap being a la Korea, Diggity was the obvious next choice. While he's not a big name on youtube, his Broodwar casts are excellent, and he was one of the most well liked/subscribed broodwar casters.
It's surprising he hasn't been that well known throughout Starcraft 2, considering his excellent quality and the general approval he's gotten.
Although I'm super biased, if it could at all be arranged, it would be awesome if they could go over to a 3 caster style ala Korea, with Diggity, Gretorp, Incontrol.
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Diggity personifies a professional caster, seriously that guy is great.
and he's got that made for TV look that even tastosis lack.
although i love the nerdsss is cool seeing someone like that on camera doing sc stuff.
step above youtube for sure
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On April 14 2011 14:38 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 14:36 Mercadia wrote:On April 14 2011 14:33 Jibba wrote:On April 14 2011 14:31 nodule wrote:
HOW DID HE WIN THAT GAME????? Ensnare's factory was incredibly late, and when he did engage it was anti-timing. iNc was never very far behind, I have no idea why Gretorp thought that. He had his first collosus out and second almost finished, with range finished, as Ensnare was just starting to build his first Starport. That, combined with the 6 full energy sentries that he kept alive meant iNc was perfectly safe from Ensnare's pure infantry army. Well played by iNc, but it was hardly an amazing comeback unless you only look at supplies. Did you see the base timings? Ensnare was ahead by 1-1 in upgrades before incontrol started 1-1, he was 30 food ahead, and a base ahead while dropping two starports. "Praise be to Tal'Darim Altar for those ramps and chokes otherwise I was toast" is what incontrol just said on stream. Cause it's true. Without forcefield and colossus Protoss might be held accountable for falling behind in games. Such a joke. Yeah, it should've been a BO loss but Gretorp was going on about how far behind iNc was, after his collosi production had already kicked in. 30 supply of infantry against FF/collusus is nothing.
Yeah guess that's just the state of the game Wish there was a composition for T to win TvP 30 supply down, upgrades down, bases down.
Otherwise another great day by NASL. The announced delay was much > than huge errors for viewers or whatever else might have happened. Really enjoying the league.
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On April 14 2011 14:38 unSpeake wrote:
Really enjoyed diggity's casting. Very smooth talker and doesn't try to analyze things to heavily over the player/caster gretorp.
diggity is really good, looks like a veteran caster and great in the suit.
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why are people complaining about balance...omg bunch of whiners...just live up the moment
foreigners are right there with koreans and congrats to iNc...simply outplayed Ensnare
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On April 14 2011 14:43 nodule wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 14:36 ceciljacobs wrote:On April 14 2011 14:33 A Wet Shamwow wrote:On April 14 2011 14:32 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Defend til 200/200 is going to be the next big thing in the ladder for P v T. No, getting nothing but pure bio isn't going to be the next big thing on ladder. right. terran should be supplementing their bio with beefy dps units right? like colossus? terran have colossus right? Actually, Terran has the highest dps unit in the game. But what was really missing from his army was vikings and medivacs.
No way man... You mean Terran has units other than marines and marauders?
.... There's just no way. I thought all those other buildings were just for show!
On another note, I loved Diggity.
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On April 14 2011 14:41 Lightwish01 wrote:
NASL should REALLY make Diggity a fulltime caster....you can really see the difference in professionalism that he brings to the table when compared to Gretorp and Incontrol.
Anyone else feel that Diggity deserves a perma spot on NASL?
I agree. Recently, the casting makes me a lot less excited to watch the NASL, but diggity contributes a lot and he changes that.
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Nice iNcontroL! So happy! Totally rooting for you.
And why are so many qqing about Gretorp? It seems like one of those things where people flock to an opinion because everyone else thinks so. His casting is pretty good imo.
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On April 14 2011 14:42 Ravomat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 14:40 sleigh bells wrote:On April 14 2011 14:37 Ravomat wrote:
instead of going for barracks 5-8 ensnare should have gone for reactored medievacs and start dropping. he got away with a greedy opening and didnt do anything with it. i don't think it's "greedy," it's "oh hey d00d, you just put yourself on a clock, you need to attack...oh wait tiny ramp lol, you should've made medivacs" 1rax expand into 4rax expand is pretty greedy in my eyes. yea right the ramp. either you go medievacs to drop all over his bases or you rally all you got to his base and dont let him get the deathball. ensnare did neither.
I saw plenty of medivac drops
not hard to stop with a few cannons and stalkers, and what's he gonna do? run up a ramp with a ton of sentries ready to cut his army in half? that map is so easy to defend on for protoss there was nothing ensnare could do to prevent him from going 3 base and maxing out
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On April 14 2011 14:32 PartyBiscuit wrote:There is very little lag at the oGs house as Jinro already explained, not nearly the same level experienced by prime/IM, and to a degree ST. You should be banned for this btw, since lag had nothing to do with this.
Actually, a day or two before DreamHack when Jinro was streaming, the Korean server went down, he refused to play on the NA server even though everyone was asking him to, because he said the lag was so bad.
That said, lag had nothing to do with that last game. Ensnare had a 40+ supply advantage. He allowed iNcontrol time to catch up. All Ensnare had to do was attack 5 minutes earlier and he would have won. Poor decisions lost that lost game, lag did not.
As for the casting, Gretorp is too loud for my taste, among other things. But complaining about Gretorp won't get him replaced so I won't do it.
Diggity, was okay. Only caught the last game.
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On April 14 2011 14:40 Arolis wrote:
Colossus are pretty good. Gratz to incontrol for winning. Eager to see what tricks Terrans and Zerg figure out to break a turtle toss with easy access to 3 base. This game reminded me of turtle style TvZ in SC1. Maybe Terran in SC2 will have to play like Zerg in SC1 by taking the whole map with Orbitals, mules, and a bunch of unit producing structures. That way they can hurl units and remax instantly with an insane economy and starve out the Protoss.
Pretty much the solution to turtle toss is to do drop harass from all angles. Ensnare certainly had the resources to do so. It would force Incontrol to be all over the place trying to defend, and it would stretch him thin. I know Inc had phoenix but subtle drops can be done. Then when he hits 3/3 and a critical amount of vikings, he should engage Inc's army, taking note to get a good position with his vikings to snipe the colossi. This pretty much is what beats me when I try to turtle against terran.
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On April 14 2011 14:44 Mercadia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 14:38 Jibba wrote:On April 14 2011 14:36 Mercadia wrote:On April 14 2011 14:33 Jibba wrote:On April 14 2011 14:31 nodule wrote:
HOW DID HE WIN THAT GAME????? Ensnare's factory was incredibly late, and when he did engage it was anti-timing. iNc was never very far behind, I have no idea why Gretorp thought that. He had his first collosus out and second almost finished, with range finished, as Ensnare was just starting to build his first Starport. That, combined with the 6 full energy sentries that he kept alive meant iNc was perfectly safe from Ensnare's pure infantry army. Well played by iNc, but it was hardly an amazing comeback unless you only look at supplies. Did you see the base timings? Ensnare was ahead by 1-1 in upgrades before incontrol started 1-1, he was 30 food ahead, and a base ahead while dropping two starports. "Praise be to Tal'Darim Altar for those ramps and chokes otherwise I was toast" is what incontrol just said on stream. Cause it's true. Without forcefield and colossus Protoss might be held accountable for falling behind in games. Such a joke. Yeah, it should've been a BO loss but Gretorp was going on about how far behind iNc was, after his collosi production had already kicked in. 30 supply of infantry against FF/collusus is nothing. Yeah guess that's just the state of the game Wish there was a composition for T to win TvP 30 supply down, upgrades down, bases down. Otherwise another great day by NASL. The announced delay was much > than huge errors for viewers or whatever else might have happened. Really enjoying the league.
The very simply answer is drops
If ensnare would have used his APM to micro 2 drops and slight pressure at the front he would have split the Protoss army and done damage; i don't see why people are forgetting he delayed his starport until the first collossus was out - that is incredibly ridiculous!
If you can't go through FF go over them with your DROPSHIPS!
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Just to all you guys saying not to let him get that army, do you remember Ensnare trying to engage earlier in the game, but got forcefielded off at the ramp? He is unable to engage because it's physically impossible ie. forcefields were casted.
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Hey NASL. I like the contrast change when we were watching the matches, but I didn't really like how it looked on the casters.
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On April 14 2011 14:42 Reason.SC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 14:41 Lightwish01 wrote:
NASL should REALLY make Diggity a fulltime caster....you can really see the difference in professionalism that he brings to the table when compared to Gretorp and Incontrol.
Anyone else feel that Diggity deserves a perma spot on NASL? YES! Please NASL bring on Diggity more often!
I AGREE 1000000% I mean WHO THE HECK was the mystery euro caster on the middle 2 games...he was AWFUL!! He was so loud, and when you combined him with how loud and silly Gretorp was it made for an awful commentation experience. Diggity made those other 3 commentators look like CHUMPS! If I here Gretorp say "INDEED" one more time I am going to freak out!
Go Diggity!! NASL if you are listening I hope you are going to go with the better caster (Diggity) and not just stick with the other 2 guys just because they were their from the start. Think about how you want NASL to be professional....
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On April 14 2011 14:44 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 14:38 unSpeake wrote:
Really enjoyed diggity's casting. Very smooth talker and doesn't try to analyze things to heavily over the player/caster gretorp. diggity is really good, looks like a veteran caster and great in the suit.
Well he IS a veteran caster, that may have something to do with it!  Though I was amazed he was so comfortable in front of the camera too.
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Esnare maxed really quickly on medivacs, marines, and marauders. Right when he got maxed, he should have started attacking everywhere, not sitting, waiting for protoss to get maxed. He should have started dropppingmarauders and focus firing expansions and just kill production buildings and expansions to the point where he might be behind on food, but iNcontrol is forced to counterattack. Then, he should go back into ghost/viking proudction to snipe collosi since he he is no longer maxed, while making a ton of planetary fortress's/scvs waiting to repair + bunkers to survive the counterattack.
iNcontrol played really well, using evrything to his advantage. The pheonix transition was a remarkable read on Ensnare's army composition.
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On April 14 2011 14:42 Ravomat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 14:40 sleigh bells wrote:On April 14 2011 14:37 Ravomat wrote:
instead of going for barracks 5-8 ensnare should have gone for reactored medievacs and start dropping. he got away with a greedy opening and didnt do anything with it. i don't think it's "greedy," it's "oh hey d00d, you just put yourself on a clock, you need to attack...oh wait tiny ramp lol, you should've made medivacs" 1rax expand into 4rax expand is pretty greedy in my eyes. yea right the ramp. either you go medievacs to drop all over his bases or you rally all you got to his base and dont let him get the deathball. ensnare did neither.
yeah, it was stupid, i would call "greedy" something like overexpoing, or teching too fast tho. making lots of rax is the opposite, imo. "greedy" =/= "early hyperaggression." and when the drops did happen they sucked "lol, let me drop on a cannon," "oh i hear marauders are good against probes, i won't kill your buildings don't worry"
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Pretty good night guys. I had some stream issues, but it never failed on me in a game, so I'm pleased. The quality of the stream is really good. Still cringing a bit at the mic quality and the lack of music in the games, but otherwise I'm happy. Diggity was a step above, I've only heard him once or twice before, but I really liked his professionalism and voice. Didn't hurt that he looked very professional. I'd love to know he had a permanent home with the NASL. Finally, congratulations iNcontroL. You deserve all of it and I hope you keep posting good results. Thanks for putting this all together.
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