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Just did that! Most of my questions have been answered already, but i'm really hoping this can be successful! Will most definitely be tuning in.
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On April 05 2011 09:38 jmbthirteen wrote:
What "people" are you talking about? I'm not familiar with the BW scene at all, neither are the majority of the people they are trying to target.
And you are basing this on what? Your personal feeling that SC2 has nothing to do with Brood War?
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still overall excited about this though and hopefully alex's bosses will be impressed!
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Awesome FAQ ... will answer a lot of questions ppl have.
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On April 05 2011 09:38 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 09:18 blackone wrote:On April 05 2011 09:16 Bobster wrote:I enjoyed the teaser video for its campiness, btw. :D On April 05 2011 09:15 Docmedical wrote:
Why aren't you guys following BW naming conventions? Because it's not a BW tournament? lol People nevertheless think of pro league when they see "pro league". They would also think of the Super Bowl if you called your league Starcraft Super Bowl, even though its not a football tournament. What "people" are you talking about? I'm not familiar with the BW scene at all, neither are the majority of the people they are trying to target. Calling it a Pro League is fine. If they called it the Super Bowl then it would be a problem because their target audience is quite familiar with it.
While I don't think it's going to be a major problem for IPL, it would be smart to change the name. If this thing is really successful, they don't really want to accidentally be associated or confused with Proleague, especially considering that it's possible Koreans will be paying attention to this tournament. Again, that's if it takes off. It's just better to have your own brand. They don't need to call it Starleague or Starcraft League, either.
But yeah, again, I don't think this will be a big problem going forward. Just a little bit of criticism.
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I do not understand this obsession with analytical casters. I follow a lot of tournaments and streams. I do not need a caster to tell me in advance what is going to happen in 5 minutes. He just needs to make what is happening now more exciting. If I wanted to learn how to play the game through these tournaments I would watch the replays or VODs later (like I did to find out the exact build order July did to take out IMMvp in GSL5 on Metalopolis game - Artosis didn't tell me that but he did hype up for what was happening atm; Day9 would have been boring at that moment in contrast as he is often boring with his over-analysis, he is actually most awesome between games and when paired with good co-caster).
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Cool stuff! Only thing that jumps out at me is having the VODs on the bracket page, since that sounds like it would obviously spoil the results for people who missed the live cast. Will there be a spoiler-free VOD page as well?
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Tourney looks awesome, a good mix of established pros and up and coming players. [and its free!] hope this is able to reach a wider audience. Maybe G4 should take a page out of IGN's book and stop showing cops and cheaters on 12 hour blocks.
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Archangel, Tastosis are quite possibly the most respected casting team in the community BECAUSE they can provide analysis. Having relatively high level players participating in the casting for the league can only help. You can even find a lot of love for Tastosis outside of TL, such as on the battle.net forums.
I actually don't see that criticism of Day9, either. I think of him as being a yell-a-lot kind of guy in tournament casting.
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Since this first tournament is a test trial, I will be most interested in seeing high-quality production values from IGN. Casting from replays ensures that all of this can happen in a controlled environment, so the comparison will naturally be made with TSL 3 and NASL. If IPL can match those two leagues' level of production or exceed it, then I think it will be on a good track for when the real deal hits Season 2.
As for the line-up, there is nothing particularly exceptional about it either way, except for the presence of EGIdrA which is sure to be a crowd attractor. It's NA players, after all, and currently I think most people would agree that NA players aren't the most well-known across the world except for a few of them - but hopefully the IPL will help address that.
In terms of viewer interest, I'd say that a tournament that wants to "make it big the first time" needs famous players, famous casters, great hype, or ideally all three. Adding Artosis, Day9, or Tasteless to the casting line-up will generally improve viewership even if the players are a little weaker, simply because of the fame these pro-casters have. You can also typically increase your viewer count by about a few thousand by just announcing that EGIdrA is playing. We can only speculate as to why, but it just works out that way.
Reaching out to the international audience is another way by which to attract more viewers. Having multiple-language streams like the IEM or the Reddit Invitational, with casters like Khaldor and Midnight, is a natural way to promote the NA scene to international viewers.
Tournaments with high production values and ample advertisement will attract both players and viewers overtime, however, and this ends up being the most important factor in the long-term as it legitimizes eSports in the eyes of the public. High-quality, lag-less streams, starting on time, and professionalism from the casters are all important qualities to maintain.
One last, but important, note: since this is a replay cast tournament, I hope IGN will do their utmost to prevent the results from leaking prior to the tournament casts. This is an issue that fundamentally plagues casting from replays, and so far TSL has been the best at addressing it both in BW and SC 2 by penalizing players who allow their results to leak and by creating tournament-only accounts in SC 2 to prevent people from looking up results using match histories. I'm not sure if the latest patch to SC 2 has any built-in mechanisms for achieving this, but if not, IGN should look into the strategies used by the TSL to ensure a smooth, unspoiled run.
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When I search IGN, I cant even find an announcement of this IPL.
Thats very sad and things arent looking good already IMO.
Oh, and ditch HD. Guys pure cheese and only in it for the money.
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TB is hilarious, and his lack of game-knowledge kinda just contributes to that. His involvement certainly makes me more likely to tune in. In any case, IGN looks to be handling this very professionally, so I have high hopes for this tournament.
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They apparently have the guys from the SC Reddit Invitational on board for the post-production so the show itself should be very slick, if you've seen that tournament. It had excellent production.
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I think the caster choices are good, casters are there to make the game more entertaining not to be 100% accurate on all facets of the game.
That being said, Jessica Chobot should cast all games!
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so is jessica going to be announcing the players?
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Please special guest invite naniwa quicktime. He is on some insane form.
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Since GomTV got IU to announce the players you need to get Ke$ha to announce the players.
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Hello, its great that there are more tournaments popping up, I hope it succeeds on an international basis!
I have one question: What was the thought process behind choosing the format?
I only speak for myself obviously, but to me it always feels like double elimination is not very exciting, compared to a round robin pool-play counterpart with a single elimination playoff, or something like GSL with multiple groupstages.
In pools, there are more chances for a player to prove himself, where in a bracket, he could be unlucky and face one tough opponent and make a quick exit/drop down a bracket. I know this is somewhat counteracted with seeding, but often times seeding is hard to keep fair, especially if the players in the tournament are as few as 16 or 32. If IPL does make it big, and includes many international players as well, the competition will be incredibly fierce for only 32 people.
For instance, lets say IPL is big and the tournament includes some of the currently strongest players in the world, and the bracket is ridiculously hard. Now lets say Player A is actually really good, but he happens to be facing a godlike player in Player B. In a single elimination system, he is out on ro32, even though he might have been good enough to place top 4. In a double elimination system, he gets one more shot, but then lets say he then faces the loser of Player C and D, and again loses, even though the best players in the tournament may be 1st B 2nd C 3rd D 4th A.
I realize this might sound farfetched, but considering the player pool available in the world, and thinning these down to only 32, it actually is not that implausible. Just take a look at TSL, and tell me who would NOT want to see players like those in pool play, giving us more matches and specific matchups to enjoy.
Another case against DE, is that the finals are often very anti-climactic. It is a huge advantage for the player from the winner bracket, wether its an extended series, or an extra BoX. Yes there are times the player from the loser bracket will win etc, but even then it can be quite anti-climactic. Especially when considering non-diehard fans. There have been plenty tournament finals where I have witnessed a decline in interest after people are told that "yeah, he won 4-1 but now he has to do it again, because that is how the tournament system works". It might also be kind of tedious to watch the same 2 players play two sets of Bo7 or whatever, not to mention the endurance required by the players.
I realize IPL is only at its roots right now, and that this might be reconsidered for the future if/when relevant, but I just wanted to throw it out there.
TLDR: Pool play with SE playoff, or GSL-type group plays, are more exciting than DE.
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easy money for kiwi!  more idra tears! yay...
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On April 05 2011 09:53 Turgid wrote:
Since GomTV got IU to announce the players you need to get Ke$ha to announce the players.
This is a must
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