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sanya
Profile Joined February 2011
482 Posts
March 26 2011 19:23 GMT
#2161
3 3 against genius's upgrades will be "intereseting"
If wishes were fishes , we'd all cast nets.
Creighton
Profile Joined October 2010
United States35 Posts
March 26 2011 19:23 GMT
#2162
This game reversed the upgrades of Adel vs MVP. o.O
Show me the meaning of being lonely.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
March 26 2011 19:23 GMT
#2163
On March 27 2011 04:22 vyyye wrote:
I'm not experienced with phoenix colossi at all, but wouldn't a Thor makes quite a huge difference if focused on the phoenix?


It makes you really slow and then P just walks around you. Thors also blow vs range upgraded collosus.

Plus just pure marauder/viking/ghost is an easy win if you can get a few good EMP's off
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
March 26 2011 19:23 GMT
#2164
On March 27 2011 04:22 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 04:21 MoonBear wrote:
On March 27 2011 04:20 MoonBear wrote:
On March 27 2011 04:18 MoonBear wrote:
On March 27 2011 04:16 MoonBear wrote:
On March 27 2011 04:15 MoonBear wrote:
Match 1:Tal'Dari Altar
[image loading]
(P)MVP_Genius < Tal'Darim Altar > [image loading] (T)FXO.qxc

Sorry for the dely. Guess who's back? Let's get this back on the road.

11:30
QXC drops Genius' main and kills a few probes, pylons and warped in zealot. The army comes and kills half the drop. QXC also kills the gas.

QXC drops the nat and loses the medivac and some of the units. QXC drops the main again and kills a few probes before leaving.

13:30
Both players still on two base and 0-0. Genius getting +1 Air weapons and has 2 stargates. QXC tries to drop the main again and loses it but gets a few probes again.

QXC now with two starports with reactors to counter the incoming phoenix-es. QXC also getting a Ghost Academy.

15:30
Genius harasses the nat with his phoenix killing a few mules and SCVs. No missile turrets there. Qxc drops the main again which is repelled by zealots and phoenix. But it's forcing him to stay on two base and he's drying up.

Qxc now with a 3rd base.

18:00
Genius now with 4 Colossus. If Qxc doesn't snipe them with his vikings he may be in trouble. Qxc does have supply advantage but weaker army.

Qxc building a 4th CC at his 3rd. Phoenix kill a lot of SCVs at the natural but it's not that useful because Qxc has a 3rd.

Vikings snipe a Collosus caught out of position!

19:45
Vikings caught out of position, and get attacked by viking. Both armies engage but Genius loses a lot of his Colossi. Genius had a better position but Qxc with the better from the battle. Genius has a lot of phoenix left and uses them to lift up units and kill them. Qxc loses nearly everything but has enough econ to recover from this easily.

22:00
Genius still going for phoenix. He has a small ground army but has 2 colossus. Qxc controls 3 of the towers so can see nearly everything. Missile turrets deny more phoenix harass.

23:20
Qxc with 2-2 upgrades on bio, Genius with 0-0. Genius finally with a third base but Qxc has 4 bases and 20 more supply and upgrades.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
CongoJack
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada417 Posts
March 26 2011 19:23 GMT
#2165
Wow Adel nice comeback.
TheBJ
Profile Joined March 2010
Bulgaria906 Posts
March 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#2166
On March 27 2011 04:23 Dante08 wrote:
LOL now the terran is outupgrading protoss


"must be the earthquake" can we stop with the silly lag discussion and enjoy the games......
Ad augusta per angust
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
March 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#2167
Some people are pretty vulnerable to hype. Artosis hypes MC and MVP up and you just lap it up.

Right now the skill gap just isn't that big. It will increase as professional gamers in Korea and elsewhere take up their SC2 jobs and spend another year-two on refinement.

Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
March 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#2168
On March 27 2011 04:22 Towni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 04:13 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
On March 27 2011 04:09 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On March 27 2011 04:07 Kommander wrote:
If MVP lost because of lag, how come MC had an easy time against Ciara? If lag was a factor then MC surely would've lost. If I remember correctly, in game 2, MC still had impeccable force field placement despite the "lag" that people are complaining about.


Because Ciara played so terrible. He couldn't even hold off a 3gate expand pressure and MC rolled him.

Morrow and Dimaga in that position would've.


Ciara lost because of the lag ...





(See what I did there?)


HHHAAHAHAHA! Hilarious! Totally agree!

How? MC had a higher latency than Ciara did, and he still won

That is a HAHAHAHAHA
ALL ABOARD THE INTERNET BANDWAGON
ftd.rain
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom539 Posts
March 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#2169
On March 27 2011 04:16 Kazzabiss wrote:
Even without lag I think QXC would beat Genius. Genius beat Mvp, yes (which is Mvp's worst MU by far), but Genius also lost to DAVIT, Rain, and Rainbow, all Cheese/Harass based Terrans, which is exactly like QXC, not Mvp

Yea because qxc is as good as Rainbow, like evenly matched and all that.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 19:24:34
March 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#2170
On March 27 2011 04:22 Kazzabiss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 04:20 cheesemaster wrote:
On March 27 2011 04:18 teamsolid wrote:
On March 27 2011 04:13 zasda wrote:
On March 27 2011 04:11 teamsolid wrote:
On March 27 2011 04:02 HolyArrow wrote:
On March 27 2011 04:00 Jinsho wrote:
Stop using lag as an excuse. They're both playing on US.


KR->US lag is provably significantly worse than EU->US lag.

Aren't they playing on KR/EU/KR? I didn't catch the first game, but what's MVP's excuse for losing there? Technically lag should play into his favor, as two of the sets are in his advantage due to him being the higher seed.

no they say it like 32532 times that kr vs eu is on na

That's pretty unfair IMO. It's like handicapping the Koreans before the game even starts. They should change the rules so it's rotating between KR/EU.

Yea i really dont understand the ruling on this i hope they change it in the round of 32. First of all koreans most defenetly will get better ping in EU so even the games on EU would be better, why gimp both players by playing on NA. Is there a place we can suggest this change for EU vs KR games it wou be nice.

No, that would be worse, because it would give the player playing on their own server a free win each time. KR->EU is even worse than to NA.

So giving the EU player a free win for ALL 3 sets is better? As FXO tested, you get 400 ping (~1.5 sec) NA - Korea, while EU to NA is only 150 ping (~0.5 sec). lol what?
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19269 Posts
March 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#2171
He FINALLY killed the observer....damn that was there too long
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
haegN
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway547 Posts
March 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#2172
Why no GOD DAMN EMP!!
None can give you skills, ubermicro, wins or anything. If you are man - you take it!
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
March 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#2173
On March 27 2011 04:08 aoe2fan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 04:05 ZXRP wrote:
To all complaining about the lag, remember it was the same for both players.


AdelScott probably play on the NA server alot for tournaments etc so he practises with it.
MVP only play on the Korean server with 0 lag.

How is that the same for both players?

Thats like saying well MVP knew that he was going to play in this big tournament and that he would be playing on the NA server, if he didnt get used to the NA server, it is his falt, its a sad fact, but what would have been better, adel play on KR just because he isn't korean, or MVP play on EU because he is korean, it the best that could have happened. Not to say that it didnt effect him, but in all reality i would like to think that he knew that there would be lag.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
March 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#2174
Lag must prevent Genius from upgrading and expanding
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
March 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#2175
QXC please, emp on the pheonixes!
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
March 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#2176
EMP the phoenix plz :D
dr Helvetica <3
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
March 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#2177
On March 27 2011 04:23 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 04:22 vyyye wrote:
I'm not experienced with phoenix colossi at all, but wouldn't a Thor makes quite a huge difference if focused on the phoenix?


It makes you really slow and then P just walks around you. Thors also blow vs range upgraded collosus.

Plus just pure marauder/viking/ghost is an easy win if you can get a few good EMP's off

Durr obviously. Was only thinking of the straight up battle for whatever reason.
WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
March 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#2178
qxcs macro not up to 100%
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
March 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#2179
Wow this air protoss style is really strong. I am impressed
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
Grantiere
Profile Joined March 2011
United States129 Posts
March 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#2180
On March 27 2011 04:06 RHMVNovus wrote:
I don't think I've heard anyone with sufficient ethos corroborate that US-SK lag is worse than US-EU lag.

Sounds like a Rush Limbaugh-style talking point.


Just an fyi, Root Ddoro did exactly that in the FXOpen thread yesterday, as potential explanation of similar "upsets" in that tourney:

DdoRo Canada. March 26 2011 12:08. Posts 83 PM Profile Quote #
ok, I talked to both koreans and european players about the lag issue.
there is almost no lag for EU players playing on the NA server, but Koreans actually have alot more latency than it seems they have.

two days ago, I tried to play with my korean friend on the NA server for 2s.
he was complainin alot about lag, he's forcefield went down like 1.5sec after he actually put it down

Also, in oGsMC's interview for TSL, he mentioned he went for colossi+void ray just to 1a, because he couldn't micro vs Ciara. Also, boxer and his gf mentioned about lag.


We'll have a decent amount of evidence around relative Korea - Foreigner level and whether lag has a major impact by the time TSL is over. We'll have the results from multiple international tourneys with both onsite and online play to look at: IEM and GSL World Championships with onsite play, and TSL and FXOpen with online play. Until then we can just enjoy the games, and hopefully avoid throwing around irrelevant political names to denigrate a potentially legitimate position.
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