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On March 06 2011 06:49 m0ck wrote:
Not sure whether you're a stalker or just an ass, but who the hell are you to pass judgement on someones life?
Posters oblivious to Naniwa's past asked about why he was disliked, I answered that question (from my perspective) and delivered some background. This has nothing to do with stalking, a quick Google/TL search will give you all that info. And I'm not judging anything; I just care about people cheering for players that had/have a negative influence on the community.
If you think that makes me an "ass", alright, go ahead. I firmly believe that the last thing our still relatively young and niche gaming/esports community needs is representatives like him (or other players infamous for BM and/or immature behavior). Gamers still have to struggle for acceptance and fight against cliches; such players don't add "drama" or "entertainment" but just make all gamers look like the immature and erratic slackers they're often portrayed as by popular media.
I just wanted to make my point - and I think I did - but this is an issue I easily get worked up about (as you might have noticed). I don't wish to derail this thread any further, however; not everyone will share my point of view and many people will just want to enjoy the matches. So once again best of luck to Morrow, and a good time to everyone watching (regardless of who they're cheering for).
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Considering the map pool and if they us the MLG maps, I feel like this could easily go in Morrow's favor. Due to the changes on Meta he could probably go for more macro oriented play from the start. AKA Hatch before pool. Definitely going to be some decent length games, and I think Morrow has the better mechanics which is going to help a lot. Definitely looking forward to this.
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gg gl morrow, too bad people care more about talking smack than being hyped for hopefully some good games.  ))
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GL MorroW, hopefully Nani hasn't figured out that FFE will win against Z every time ^.^
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GL to both players! and no BMing Nani! earn my 100 euros with some good games!!! XDDDD
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On March 06 2011 06:49 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 18:53 Shockk wrote:On March 05 2011 03:40 shaunnn wrote:On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg. I dont get this, why does so much of the german community dislike him?, his esl guestbook is kinda retarded with all the hate comments on it, so what if he is or was bm to some players, he didnt bm you personally On March 05 2011 04:40 Daimai wrote:
Yeah, what did Naniwa do? There seems to be a lot of hate towards Lalush and Naniwa from what I have seen... Simply put, Naniwa has been a douche for pretty much all of his career until he "promised to better himself" at the end of 2010 (i.e. it's only been a few months). This started in War3 and continued in SC2. Online and in tournaments, he was arrogant, cocky and BM, exploiting his position as a known player to forfeit/delay matches without any consequences, and being a condescending prick in general. There are so many stories of players and tournament admins having some kind of issue with him or his behaviour that it's not even funny. Then there's his personal life. He basically threw school to play War3. He got thrown out by his parents because they wanted him to make something out of his life (that's when he was 15, mind you) and all he did was gaming, ignoring their wishes/requests. Despite all this, the guy still received support. Sponsors still enabled him to continue playing and thus encouraged his behaviour - it worked, after all. Fast forward a bit and he plays SC2, has a sponsored appartment in Germany to play in the EPS ... and manages to screw that up by completely ignoring the rules and collecting more penalty points than humanly possible. Something no other pro gamer has ever managed to do. League kicks him, he loses his sponsorship, his appartment and his clan kicks him. But instead of trying to do some concession and at least leaving on good terms with everyone, he basically vanishes, doesn't even tell his roommate (ClouD) he's gone and - surprise! - once again gets a sponsorship and is paid to play games once he's back home. And at the end of all this in late 2010, he promises to "change". He says his BM days are over and acts as if all this was a thing of his distant, teenage past, when the last cases of him being a rude, unprofessional person happened mere weeks before that statement. TL;DR: Naniwa has screwed his education, the relationship to his parents, several memberships in sponsored clans, even sponsored appartments and friendships because of gaming and lacking social skills. This guy is the stereotypical addicted gamer oblivious to his sorroundings who doesn't need support with what he's doing, but professional help. Sadly, he's skilled enough at SC2 to make it pay for him. If he actually manages to mature and improve himself I'll be genuinely impressed. But he'll have to keep a professional attitude for a really long time (read: years) before I believe he's changed. He has so many years of bad behaviour to make up for. And that is why I want him to lose every single game he plays. Because he's the worst representative possible for Esports. Sorry for the long text, but I really dislike this guy. Not sure whether you're a stalker or just an ass, but who the hell are you to pass judgement on someones life?
an ass? are you fucking retarded? hes just stating truths about a player that deserves noones respect. Dont forget also, blizzard trusted him with advance patch notes so he could help with balancing, and he leaked them. I'll let that speak to his character.
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On March 06 2011 16:55 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 06:49 m0ck wrote:On March 05 2011 18:53 Shockk wrote:On March 05 2011 03:40 shaunnn wrote:On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg. I dont get this, why does so much of the german community dislike him?, his esl guestbook is kinda retarded with all the hate comments on it, so what if he is or was bm to some players, he didnt bm you personally On March 05 2011 04:40 Daimai wrote:
Yeah, what did Naniwa do? There seems to be a lot of hate towards Lalush and Naniwa from what I have seen... Simply put, Naniwa has been a douche for pretty much all of his career until he "promised to better himself" at the end of 2010 (i.e. it's only been a few months). This started in War3 and continued in SC2. Online and in tournaments, he was arrogant, cocky and BM, exploiting his position as a known player to forfeit/delay matches without any consequences, and being a condescending prick in general. There are so many stories of players and tournament admins having some kind of issue with him or his behaviour that it's not even funny. Then there's his personal life. He basically threw school to play War3. He got thrown out by his parents because they wanted him to make something out of his life (that's when he was 15, mind you) and all he did was gaming, ignoring their wishes/requests. Despite all this, the guy still received support. Sponsors still enabled him to continue playing and thus encouraged his behaviour - it worked, after all. Fast forward a bit and he plays SC2, has a sponsored appartment in Germany to play in the EPS ... and manages to screw that up by completely ignoring the rules and collecting more penalty points than humanly possible. Something no other pro gamer has ever managed to do. League kicks him, he loses his sponsorship, his appartment and his clan kicks him. But instead of trying to do some concession and at least leaving on good terms with everyone, he basically vanishes, doesn't even tell his roommate (ClouD) he's gone and - surprise! - once again gets a sponsorship and is paid to play games once he's back home. And at the end of all this in late 2010, he promises to "change". He says his BM days are over and acts as if all this was a thing of his distant, teenage past, when the last cases of him being a rude, unprofessional person happened mere weeks before that statement. TL;DR: Naniwa has screwed his education, the relationship to his parents, several memberships in sponsored clans, even sponsored appartments and friendships because of gaming and lacking social skills. This guy is the stereotypical addicted gamer oblivious to his sorroundings who doesn't need support with what he's doing, but professional help. Sadly, he's skilled enough at SC2 to make it pay for him. If he actually manages to mature and improve himself I'll be genuinely impressed. But he'll have to keep a professional attitude for a really long time (read: years) before I believe he's changed. He has so many years of bad behaviour to make up for. And that is why I want him to lose every single game he plays. Because he's the worst representative possible for Esports. Sorry for the long text, but I really dislike this guy. Not sure whether you're a stalker or just an ass, but who the hell are you to pass judgement on someones life? an ass? are you fucking retarded? hes just stating truths about a player that deserves noones respect. Dont forget also, blizzard trusted him with advance patch notes so he could help with balancing, and he leaked them. I'll let that speak to his character.
Who the fuck are you two to pass judgement on Naniwa? Talking about why he was thrown out by his parents, what he has to do "to make up" for it and apparent this guys think he knows exactly why this has happened. He came off as a major douche as so are you calling someone retarded. No one is saying he is a saint or that you have to like him, but come on...
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On March 06 2011 17:34 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 16:55 TheAntZ wrote:On March 06 2011 06:49 m0ck wrote:On March 05 2011 18:53 Shockk wrote:On March 05 2011 03:40 shaunnn wrote:On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg. I dont get this, why does so much of the german community dislike him?, his esl guestbook is kinda retarded with all the hate comments on it, so what if he is or was bm to some players, he didnt bm you personally On March 05 2011 04:40 Daimai wrote:
Yeah, what did Naniwa do? There seems to be a lot of hate towards Lalush and Naniwa from what I have seen... Simply put, Naniwa has been a douche for pretty much all of his career until he "promised to better himself" at the end of 2010 (i.e. it's only been a few months). This started in War3 and continued in SC2. Online and in tournaments, he was arrogant, cocky and BM, exploiting his position as a known player to forfeit/delay matches without any consequences, and being a condescending prick in general. There are so many stories of players and tournament admins having some kind of issue with him or his behaviour that it's not even funny. Then there's his personal life. He basically threw school to play War3. He got thrown out by his parents because they wanted him to make something out of his life (that's when he was 15, mind you) and all he did was gaming, ignoring their wishes/requests. Despite all this, the guy still received support. Sponsors still enabled him to continue playing and thus encouraged his behaviour - it worked, after all. Fast forward a bit and he plays SC2, has a sponsored appartment in Germany to play in the EPS ... and manages to screw that up by completely ignoring the rules and collecting more penalty points than humanly possible. Something no other pro gamer has ever managed to do. League kicks him, he loses his sponsorship, his appartment and his clan kicks him. But instead of trying to do some concession and at least leaving on good terms with everyone, he basically vanishes, doesn't even tell his roommate (ClouD) he's gone and - surprise! - once again gets a sponsorship and is paid to play games once he's back home. And at the end of all this in late 2010, he promises to "change". He says his BM days are over and acts as if all this was a thing of his distant, teenage past, when the last cases of him being a rude, unprofessional person happened mere weeks before that statement. TL;DR: Naniwa has screwed his education, the relationship to his parents, several memberships in sponsored clans, even sponsored appartments and friendships because of gaming and lacking social skills. This guy is the stereotypical addicted gamer oblivious to his sorroundings who doesn't need support with what he's doing, but professional help. Sadly, he's skilled enough at SC2 to make it pay for him. If he actually manages to mature and improve himself I'll be genuinely impressed. But he'll have to keep a professional attitude for a really long time (read: years) before I believe he's changed. He has so many years of bad behaviour to make up for. And that is why I want him to lose every single game he plays. Because he's the worst representative possible for Esports. Sorry for the long text, but I really dislike this guy. Not sure whether you're a stalker or just an ass, but who the hell are you to pass judgement on someones life? an ass? are you fucking retarded? hes just stating truths about a player that deserves noones respect. Dont forget also, blizzard trusted him with advance patch notes so he could help with balancing, and he leaked them. I'll let that speak to his character. Who the fuck are you two to pass judgement on Naniwa? Talking about why he was thrown out by his parents, what he has to do "to make up" for it and apparent this guys think he knows exactly why this has happened. He came off as a major douche as so are you calling someone retarded. No one is saying he is a saint or that you have to like him, but come on...
i think its funny how seriously someone takes this kind of things :DD
guy makes a personal grudge against someone who he has probably never even written to himself haha, talk about "mature" :p
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Child prodigy...
Same thing happened to Michael Jackson. Look how that turned out...
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On March 06 2011 17:34 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 16:55 TheAntZ wrote:On March 06 2011 06:49 m0ck wrote:On March 05 2011 18:53 Shockk wrote:On March 05 2011 03:40 shaunnn wrote:On March 04 2011 06:11 Shockk wrote:
Hoping for Morrow, since I like his playstyle. And of course I don't want to miss a single opportunity to see Naniwa losing. Despite Naniwa's unfortunate skill at the game, my money's on the swedish zerg. I dont get this, why does so much of the german community dislike him?, his esl guestbook is kinda retarded with all the hate comments on it, so what if he is or was bm to some players, he didnt bm you personally On March 05 2011 04:40 Daimai wrote:
Yeah, what did Naniwa do? There seems to be a lot of hate towards Lalush and Naniwa from what I have seen... Simply put, Naniwa has been a douche for pretty much all of his career until he "promised to better himself" at the end of 2010 (i.e. it's only been a few months). This started in War3 and continued in SC2. Online and in tournaments, he was arrogant, cocky and BM, exploiting his position as a known player to forfeit/delay matches without any consequences, and being a condescending prick in general. There are so many stories of players and tournament admins having some kind of issue with him or his behaviour that it's not even funny. Then there's his personal life. He basically threw school to play War3. He got thrown out by his parents because they wanted him to make something out of his life (that's when he was 15, mind you) and all he did was gaming, ignoring their wishes/requests. Despite all this, the guy still received support. Sponsors still enabled him to continue playing and thus encouraged his behaviour - it worked, after all. Fast forward a bit and he plays SC2, has a sponsored appartment in Germany to play in the EPS ... and manages to screw that up by completely ignoring the rules and collecting more penalty points than humanly possible. Something no other pro gamer has ever managed to do. League kicks him, he loses his sponsorship, his appartment and his clan kicks him. But instead of trying to do some concession and at least leaving on good terms with everyone, he basically vanishes, doesn't even tell his roommate (ClouD) he's gone and - surprise! - once again gets a sponsorship and is paid to play games once he's back home. And at the end of all this in late 2010, he promises to "change". He says his BM days are over and acts as if all this was a thing of his distant, teenage past, when the last cases of him being a rude, unprofessional person happened mere weeks before that statement. TL;DR: Naniwa has screwed his education, the relationship to his parents, several memberships in sponsored clans, even sponsored appartments and friendships because of gaming and lacking social skills. This guy is the stereotypical addicted gamer oblivious to his sorroundings who doesn't need support with what he's doing, but professional help. Sadly, he's skilled enough at SC2 to make it pay for him. If he actually manages to mature and improve himself I'll be genuinely impressed. But he'll have to keep a professional attitude for a really long time (read: years) before I believe he's changed. He has so many years of bad behaviour to make up for. And that is why I want him to lose every single game he plays. Because he's the worst representative possible for Esports. Sorry for the long text, but I really dislike this guy. Not sure whether you're a stalker or just an ass, but who the hell are you to pass judgement on someones life? an ass? are you fucking retarded? hes just stating truths about a player that deserves noones respect. Dont forget also, blizzard trusted him with advance patch notes so he could help with balancing, and he leaked them. I'll let that speak to his character. Who the fuck are you two to pass judgement on Naniwa? Talking about why he was thrown out by his parents, what he has to do "to make up" for it and apparent this guys think he knows exactly why this has happened. He came off as a major douche as so are you calling someone retarded. No one is saying he is a saint or that you have to like him, but come on...
ok, calling him retarded was over the top, but I stand by my point. Why the hell would he call shockk an ass simply for laying down the facts? And what do you mean who the fuck are we to pass judgement? uh...people who actually see that hes being a douche all over the place? You can keep defending him all you want, but looking at the list of shit hes stirred up you cant deny he is NOT a respectable member of this community.
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On March 06 2011 09:58 Shockk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 06:49 m0ck wrote:
Not sure whether you're a stalker or just an ass, but who the hell are you to pass judgement on someones life? Posters oblivious to Naniwa's past asked about why he was disliked, I answered that question (from my perspective) and delivered some background. This has nothing to do with stalking, a quick Google/TL search will give you all that info. And I'm not judging anything; I just care about people cheering for players that had/have a negative influence on the community. If you think that makes me an "ass", alright, go ahead. I firmly believe that the last thing our still relatively young and niche gaming/esports community needs is representatives like him (or other players infamous for BM and/or immature behavior). Gamers still have to struggle for acceptance and fight against cliches; such players don't add "drama" or "entertainment" but just make all gamers look like the immature and erratic slackers they're often portrayed as by popular media. I just wanted to make my point - and I think I did - but this is an issue I easily get worked up about (as you might have noticed). I don't wish to derail this thread any further, however; not everyone will share my point of view and many people will just want to enjoy the matches. So once again best of luck to Morrow, and a good time to everyone watching (regardless of who they're cheering for).
I don't know exactly what Naniwa has done in the past and frankly I don't give a shit. I do however react when people like you trash talk someone for other things than game related. Sure, keep on bitching about his BM in game, but when you start to talk about how he was thrown out by his parents because of reasons you think you know, you just simply crossed the line. Some player integrity should be kept and in my humble opinion you shouldn't be allowed to post that slanderous shit.
On topic: Morrow fighting!! would really like to see you take this one!
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Man I just wish people knew how to discuss the actual game instead of insulting each other and players.
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Looking forward to this matches. Naniwa doesn't look unbeatable anymore like he was one or two month ago, but he is still one of the best foreigner protoss players. I think it will be 3-2 for Naniwa.
(the German community doesn't dislike Naniwa, there is a small (and vocal) part of the community who hates everyone, just ignore them and it's fine)
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Morrow has great ZvP, I think it's going to be 4-1 or 4-2 in morrow's favour on these maps.
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will you release replays?
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Leave alone Nani, this is not a social - lets talk about a persons life thread, this is a gaming thread, and Naniwa is a realy good player.
I hope this will be a 3-2 for Nani.
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On March 04 2011 06:08 10or10 wrote: NaNiwa has 11 on  Morrows 4 in their matches so far (but that includes morrows time as T) MorroW has 52% vs P. NaNiwa has 69% vs Z. Battle of Sweden seem to be in the toss' favor.
That's not shocking news mate, if u consider PvZ is ultra hard for Z.. Even korean Ts and Ps agree on that fact..
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funny how people predict 3-2 in bo7 :D
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