EPTAssembly Winter 2011 - Day 1 - Page 49
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wristuzi
United Kingdom1168 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:54 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I don't think the realization that you need to stay a little longer vs worse opponent is bm no.. seems standard stuff that every top player does. Just not to Sjows extreme :p But to make a acomeback you need to play against a guy that only knows how to play 12 minutes into the game and has neverp layed past that. Sein clearly is not THAT weak of a player, he had at lesat decent enough macro to constantly be producing an army while using his strategy that abuses what Sjow is famous for, not scouting. Whether or not Sjow thinks he has a chance should be irrelevant. It's still BM to do what he did, all things considered. Sein has 3 bases, Sjow had nothing left. I understand that your point is that he thinks he has a chance so he should keep fighting on, but I don't think that really can apply to the specific situation here, Nazgul. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:53 Puosu wrote: If I was the head of gom I'd rip Sjow's foreigner house application in half, proper gg timing is an important part of being a progamer. What? You've heard of Moon right? The games he has stayed in for GSL were way worse than what Sjow did. Unless you're saying Moon is not a proper progamer or something. In some remote world I could see why Sjow thought he could make a crazy comeback. Why are people raging so hard over this it's SC2 with mules and a secret expansion people do make unexpected comebacks. Sure Sjow was without hope but he can't read the game perfectly when he's playing himself. We've seen so much worse than this and I doubt his intention was bm which is all that matters. On February 12 2011 01:59 ZlaSHeR wrote: But to make a acomeback you need to play against a guy that only knows how to play 12 minutes into the game and has neverp layed past that. Sein clearly is not THAT weak of a player, he had at lesat decent enough macro to constantly be producing an army while using his strategy that abuses what Sjow is famous for, not scouting. Whether or not Sjow thinks he has a chance should be irrelevant. It's still BM to do what he did, all things considered. Sein has 3 bases, Sjow had nothing left. I understand that your point is that he thinks he has a chance so he should keep fighting on, but I don't think that really can apply to the specific situation here, Nazgul. Whether or not Sjow thinks he had a chance is all that matters. If he did then there is absolutely nothing bad manner going on. If he didn't then I would agree that it's not very nice. | ||
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wristuzi
United Kingdom1168 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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garbanzo
United States4046 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:54 Eury wrote: I don't see any issue with staying in the game even if you have only a theoretical chance to come back. The TL community is just getting worse and worse when it comes to gg, soon people will demand the same (retarded) gg timing that Idra got. As a Terran it is always "theoretically" possible to come back with just an orbital command (with no minerals). Doesn't mean you should be trying to do it every time. At some point you have to learn to assess the situation and think about what would have to happen for you to come back. The way I saw that game. Sein would have have had to just walk away from the keyboard for 5 mins and then maybe Sjow would actually have an army capable of taking out what Sein had on the map at the time. Sjow saw that army. He saw how big it was as he was lifting his buildings away. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:56 labbe wrote: Laughing at all the people getting upset for SjoW lifting off. Who gives a crap? Honestly. Agreed. Heck, even Jinro lifted off his buildings during a game against MarineKingPrime, though I guess he was hoping for more of a base-trade situation. Actually, I missed that Sjow game that everyone is raging over. Could someone give a synopsis of the circumstances of that BM? Honestly, I think everyone will forget this game after Sjow wins some other competitions. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
Now let it go Sjow and win the last game! | ||
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Marooned
Norway161 Posts
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:56 FliedLice wrote: not sure if serious :| did you actually watch that game? he had like 1 banshee and his buildings versus a protoss ground ARMY only chance he had was the protoss player dropping dead infront of his pc and even then the unit ai might have been able to handle it by itself As long as he have an orbital command he got a theoretical chance to come back and have every right to stay in the game, if you don't like it, then too bad. | ||
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: What? You've heard of Moon right? The games he has stayed in for GSL were way worse than what Sjow did. Unless you're saying Moon is not a proper progamer or something. In some remote world I could see why Sjow thought he could make a crazy comeback. Why are people raging so hard over this it's SC2 with mules and a secret expansion people do make unexpected comebacks. Sure Sjow was without hope but he can't read the game perfectly when he's playing himself. We've seen so much worse than this and I doubt his intention was bm which is all that matters. Moon is awesome,, just reading his name makes me feel happy =) i'll also add that i agree with you. | ||
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gnutz
Germany666 Posts
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wristuzi
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:58 IndridCold wrote: get a stream of this up haha. who won grubby vs qxc? Qxc won that one. Too early to tell who is winning now. Grubby went sg and is expanding. I think HuK is next | ||
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DizzyDrone
Netherlands629 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:52 Caphe wrote: What is sjow situation rightnow. Will he be able to get thru to round 2? Yes. Right now Seinis is through already (as he won twice) and Which is lost already (as he lost twice). It will come down to the final match between Sjow and RunA | ||
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doerit
Germany234 Posts
Most players would have left earlier, me too. But he left eventually and did not wait until all his buildings were destroyed; he also called gg. Now lets get back to a great tournament | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
Every comment I've seen by Nazgul and other Liquid members makes me think of that, along with the fact that Sjow is a strong player in the smaller leagues and is taking tournament after tournament from good players. | ||
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Hirnfrost
Germany938 Posts
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