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AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
February 11 2011 16:35 GMT
#801
Pic of Grubby playing against qxc!

[image loading]
Heroes, Hearthstone, and SC2 videos: http://www.youtube.com/AskJoshy
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
February 11 2011 16:35 GMT
#802
On February 12 2011 01:34 NexUmbra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 01:32 FliedLice wrote:
On February 12 2011 01:30 Weavel wrote:
Not another event ruined by bnet... God damnit



what?

the fucking internet at that lan died, how did bnet ruin anything there?

also it's like one single time up until now...


geez people...


Waaaaaaaaaaat????????

If we had LAN we wouldn't have this problem


still, it's not blizzards fault the dudes organizing that lan can't get their internet right.


looking at an event as a whole a dying stream alone is enough to "ruin" it
Kevmeister @ Dota2
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
February 11 2011 16:35 GMT
#803
On February 12 2011 01:32 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 01:30 Weavel wrote:
Not another event ruined by bnet... God damnit



what?

the fucking internet at that lan died, how did bnet ruin anything there?

also it's like one single time up until now...


geez people...

We've been over this a million times already. Its the lack of LAN everyone's basically complaining at.
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
February 11 2011 16:36 GMT
#804
On February 12 2011 01:33 JohnWayne wrote:
[image loading]

[image loading]


LOL xD


This is one of the strangest conversations ever. what the...
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
February 11 2011 16:36 GMT
#805
On February 12 2011 01:25 -Archangel- wrote:
Does anyone know why is White-Ra not in this tournament?


Because he want't to prepare for a tournament which will be after 2 weeks. Forgot which one though.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
February 11 2011 16:36 GMT
#806
I love the humour in that conversation. :D
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
February 11 2011 16:36 GMT
#807
On February 12 2011 01:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 01:32 Deadlyfish wrote:
On February 12 2011 01:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On February 12 2011 01:21 Deadlyfish wrote:
This game alone proves that you should always scout.

it just proves that not scouting has both upside and downside. you saw the downside. any strategy has downsides and when it faces that and loses that doesn't make the whole strategy useless. it's about what you expect, how often you expect it, how much advantage it can give you in games it doesn't happen. don't try to make everything so simplistic.



There is no upside when you're playing against someone alot worse than you. You're gonna win 95% of the time, and the 100 minerals you lose dont really matter as much as they would vs a really good player, if that makes sense

Seriously, imagine how cheesy koreans are. If SjoW wants to have any chance in korea he has to scout earlier.

Unless you're playing vs someone alot better than you, and you have a really tight BO, it's always beneficial to scout

I fully agree. That's not what you said at first at all.



Well ok, you should always scout EXCEPT if:

- You're cheesing.

- Your opponent is ALOT better than you and you have no chance to win except if you play your percect game.

Which means SjoW should scout like 98% of the time
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 16:40:24
February 11 2011 16:37 GMT
#808
On February 12 2011 01:36 Alpina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 01:25 -Archangel- wrote:
Does anyone know why is White-Ra not in this tournament?


Because he want't to prepare for a tournament which will be after 2 weeks. Forgot which one though.


IEM finals at CeBIT i think?



On February 12 2011 01:36 Deadlyfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 01:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On February 12 2011 01:32 Deadlyfish wrote:
On February 12 2011 01:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On February 12 2011 01:21 Deadlyfish wrote:
This game alone proves that you should always scout.

it just proves that not scouting has both upside and downside. you saw the downside. any strategy has downsides and when it faces that and loses that doesn't make the whole strategy useless. it's about what you expect, how often you expect it, how much advantage it can give you in games it doesn't happen. don't try to make everything so simplistic.



There is no upside when you're playing against someone alot worse than you. You're gonna win 95% of the time, and the 100 minerals you lose dont really matter as much as they would vs a really good player, if that makes sense

Seriously, imagine how cheesy koreans are. If SjoW wants to have any chance in korea he has to scout earlier.

Unless you're playing vs someone alot better than you, and you have a really tight BO, it's always beneficial to scout

I fully agree. That's not what you said at first at all.



Well ok, you should always scout EXCEPT if:

- You're cheesing.

- Your opponent is ALOT better than you and you have no chance to win except if you play your percect game.

Which means SjoW should scout like 98% of the time



Sjow has shown in the past that even without scouting he has some really tight and solid buildorders.

I don't remember what it was but recently he got proxy 2 raxed and managed to fight it off with ease..

I think he even said that he might start scouting when he goes to korea
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
February 11 2011 16:38 GMT
#809
On February 12 2011 01:33 confusedcrib wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 01:31 MoreFaSho wrote:
On February 12 2011 01:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On February 12 2011 01:21 Deadlyfish wrote:
This game alone proves that you should always scout.

it just proves that not scouting has both upside and downside. you saw the downside. any strategy has downsides and when it faces that and loses that doesn't make the whole strategy useless. it's about what you expect, how often you expect it, how much advantage it can give you in games it doesn't happen. don't try to make everything so simplistic.

It's also worth adding that he almost held it, probably if he practiced that for an afternoon he could hold that cheese not scouting it until he walked into his door. Even different sim-city could have helped and might have even had a shot a draw with slightly better decision making. I don't necessarily agree with Sjow not scouting, but I don't think that game proved anything and players who are constantly greedy are the ones who do the best in the long-run.


This plus Sjow doesn't always not scout, it's pretty clear that scouting is just part of each individual build he is doing, not a general rule. When he played against me in the TLOpen he scouted, it's almost as if he plans his build down to scout times :O

I think he has started to scout more, but he just carries the stigma from before.

You really don't need to scout all the time, you just need to scout enough so that people expect you might and don't stick a proxy Gateway in your nat. :x
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mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
February 11 2011 16:39 GMT
#810
Sjow no!!!
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
February 11 2011 16:40 GMT
#811
Benefits of scouting or not I cannot believe Sjow just let him place a pylon there without anything to spot and a walloff that was far too late. He has to have encountered it countless times before.
mdma-_-
Profile Joined October 2010
Nauru1213 Posts
February 11 2011 16:40 GMT
#812
wow sjow looks very bad right now vs sein. TLO vs Sjow might be coming up in the ro32 !!!
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
February 11 2011 16:40 GMT
#813
On February 12 2011 01:37 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 01:36 Alpina wrote:
On February 12 2011 01:25 -Archangel- wrote:
Does anyone know why is White-Ra not in this tournament?


Because he want't to prepare for a tournament which will be after 2 weeks. Forgot which one though.


IEM finals at CeBIT i think?

How can he prepare better then playing against good players in front of public?
IndridCold
Profile Joined August 2010
United States385 Posts
February 11 2011 16:40 GMT
#814
On February 12 2011 01:35 JoshSuth wrote:
Pic of Grubby playing against qxc!

[image loading]
replays!!!! so excited for grubby to play his group today!
Evil Geniuses needs a LoL team.... Pobelter/Altec fan
Golden Ghost
Profile Joined February 2003
Netherlands1041 Posts
February 11 2011 16:41 GMT
#815
On February 12 2011 01:40 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 01:37 FliedLice wrote:
On February 12 2011 01:36 Alpina wrote:
On February 12 2011 01:25 -Archangel- wrote:
Does anyone know why is White-Ra not in this tournament?


Because he want't to prepare for a tournament which will be after 2 weeks. Forgot which one though.


IEM finals at CeBIT i think?

How can he prepare better then playing against good players in front of public?

Practising new strategies that you don't have to show beforehand.
Life is to give and take. You take a vacation and you give to the poor.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
February 11 2011 16:41 GMT
#816
I wish there was an English stream not on justin.tv
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
February 11 2011 16:42 GMT
#817
On February 12 2011 01:41 Golden Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 01:40 -Archangel- wrote:
On February 12 2011 01:37 FliedLice wrote:
On February 12 2011 01:36 Alpina wrote:
On February 12 2011 01:25 -Archangel- wrote:
Does anyone know why is White-Ra not in this tournament?


Because he want't to prepare for a tournament which will be after 2 weeks. Forgot which one though.


IEM finals at CeBIT i think?

How can he prepare better then playing against good players in front of public?

Practising new strategies that you don't have to show beforehand.

Yes, you can't reveal your "special tactics" before a big tournament :-).
I always try to shield slam face, just to make sure it doesnt work
kyla
Profile Joined November 2010
198 Posts
February 11 2011 16:42 GMT
#818
http://www.fragster.de/de/esport/coverages/assembly-lan/winter-2011/video/assembly-sk-huk-interview.html

Interview with Huk
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
February 11 2011 16:42 GMT
#819
The Sjow must go on hahaha okay these commentators at least keep things interesting.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
February 11 2011 16:42 GMT
#820
On February 12 2011 01:40 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 01:37 FliedLice wrote:
On February 12 2011 01:36 Alpina wrote:
On February 12 2011 01:25 -Archangel- wrote:
Does anyone know why is White-Ra not in this tournament?


Because he want't to prepare for a tournament which will be after 2 weeks. Forgot which one though.


IEM finals at CeBIT i think?

How can he prepare better then playing against good players in front of public?



playing at an event and having like 3 bo3s a day isn't what i call good practice, i'm sure he has his practice partners and will use the time to make some nifty new builds and stuff

i don't think that white-ra really needs any additional live-experience either :o

in the end it probably is a thing of personal preference with how you want to prepare for a tournament
Kevmeister @ Dota2
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