EPTAssembly Winter 2011 - Day 1 - Page 40
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KahunaNui
Spain257 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
Not scouting vs someone who is as good as you or better is a completely different thing, you should at least scout in a small percentage of your games then still, to remain a bit unpredictable. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: it just proves that not scouting has both upside and downside. you saw the downside. any strategy has downsides and when it faces that and loses that doesn't make the whole strategy useless. it's about what you expect, how often you expect it, how much advantage it can give you in games it doesn't happen. don't try to make everything so simplistic. It's also worth adding that he almost held it, probably if he practiced that for an afternoon he could hold that cheese not scouting it until he walked into his door. Even different sim-city could have helped and might have even had a shot a draw with slightly better decision making. I don't necessarily agree with Sjow not scouting, but I don't think that game proved anything and players who are constantly greedy are the ones who do the best in the long-run. | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:30 Weavel wrote: Not another event ruined by bnet... God damnit  what? the fucking internet at that lan died, how did bnet ruin anything there? also it's like one single time up until now... geez people... | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: it just proves that not scouting has both upside and downside. you saw the downside. any strategy has downsides and when it faces that and loses that doesn't make the whole strategy useless. it's about what you expect, how often you expect it, how much advantage it can give you in games it doesn't happen. don't try to make everything so simplistic. There is no upside when you're playing against someone alot worse than you. You're gonna win 95% of the time, and the 100 minerals you lose dont really matter as much as they would vs a really good player, if that makes sense  Seriously, imagine how cheesy koreans are. If SjoW wants to have any chance in korea he has to scout earlier. Unless you're playing vs someone alot better than you, and you have a really tight BO, it's always beneficial to scout | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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JohnWayne
United States150 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/162/unbenannturc.png) ![[image loading]](http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5152/unbenannt2iz.png) LOL xD | ||
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confusedcrib
United States1307 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:31 MoreFaSho wrote: It's also worth adding that he almost held it, probably if he practiced that for an afternoon he could hold that cheese not scouting it until he walked into his door. Even different sim-city could have helped and might have even had a shot a draw with slightly better decision making. I don't necessarily agree with Sjow not scouting, but I don't think that game proved anything and players who are constantly greedy are the ones who do the best in the long-run. This plus Sjow doesn't always not scout, it's pretty clear that scouting is just part of each individual build he is doing, not a general rule. When he played against me in the TLOpen he scouted, it's almost as if he plans his build down to scout times :O | ||
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Seronei
Sweden991 Posts
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shaunnn
Ireland1230 Posts
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:32 FliedLice wrote: what? the fucking internet at that lan died, how did bnet ruin anything there? also it's like one single time up until now... geez people... Waaaaaaaaaaat???????? If we had LAN we wouldn't have this problem | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
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mytent
United States156 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:31 TBO wrote: Sjow vs Seinis definitely shows you should scout if you are the better player though... the small loss you get from scouting is not worth the risk of straight out losing vs someone where that small setback doesn't really matter. Not scouting vs someone who is as good as you or better is a completely different thing, you should at least scout in a small percentage of your games then still, to remain a bit unpredictable. This. It's such a small cost, for information, which is the most valuable commodity in any RTS game. -_- If you decide that one scv isn't worth intel... Then be ready to pay the price. Doesn't get any simpler than that. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:32 Deadlyfish wrote:Seriously, imagine how cheesy koreans are. If SjoW wants to have any chance in korea he has to scout earlier. Unless you're playing vs someone alot better than you, and you have a really tight BO, it's always beneficial to scout I think he said he isn't going to Korea because there's so many tournaments to play in the west, plus he didn't like the quality of the players in the foreigner house | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:32 Deadlyfish wrote: There is no upside when you're playing against someone alot worse than you. You're gonna win 95% of the time, and the 100 minerals you lose dont really matter as much as they would vs a really good player, if that makes sense Seriously, imagine how cheesy koreans are. If SjoW wants to have any chance in korea he has to scout earlier. Unless you're playing vs someone alot better than you, and you have a really tight BO, it's always beneficial to scout I fully agree. That's not what you said at first at all. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9056 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:33 JohnWayne wrote: LOL xD Hahahaha this is epic. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On February 12 2011 01:32 FliedLice wrote: what? the fucking internet at that lan died, how did bnet ruin anything there? also it's like one single time up until now... geez people... Every technical difficulty, of every sort, related to Starcraft 2 is due to Bnet 2.0, didn't you know? Hell, people cried "Bnet 2.0!" when Day9 kicked the computer at Dreamhack. | ||
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