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On January 23 2011 14:53 Redmark wrote:Show nested quote +yeah obv all the whining here are from bronze league. Can't people like you learn that posting smartass comments like that will just incite more "whining" They might as well be, compared to the level of play here. How about you guys take your whining somewhere else? See the big banner and the red text?
you want less whining yet are doing things that provokes more whining, great decision.
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Guys
Having 4 bases doesn't mean you have 4 saturated bases. Nestea probably had 2 1/2 bases saturated.
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Even right before Tasteosis mentioned it, I saw the tech structures all in one place and wondered if that would end up hurting. Then I thought Nestea had the game won, but he underestimated the marine production + the ones running back and getting his mutas flanked. I realize a "perfect build" might mean only building one of every tech building, but I was thinking when I saw them all together and then the tank push, that he should have pre built more tech structures and made another lair.
But that's easy to think when you're eating cookies and sipping OJ. The stress of dealing with that attack and making prescient decisions is pretty huge.
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The attack down that narrow ramp was definitely a turning point. Nestea had so many units before the attack, but lost almost all of them and still didn't clean it all up.
On a random note, I wonder how these two practiced for this match. If they normally practice with each other for ZvT, I don't see how they could have found better alternate practice partners
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lol i totally stood up and fixed my posture!
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Its almost 3am here in Chile , but DAMN cant go to sleep with these games on..
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Nestea shouldn't have attacked into such a bad choke. Going for the main would have just destroyed MVP.
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On January 23 2011 14:55 imperator-xy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 14:53 mango_destroyer wrote:On January 23 2011 14:51 Zerglot wrote:On January 23 2011 14:47 mango_destroyer wrote: MVP had much more superior upgrades not sure why everyone saying NesTea outplayed MVP. If you bothered to look it was 2-1 ground and 2-0 air for nestea vs 2-2 marines and 0-0 tanks Exactly bro, superior upgrades. Or you cant count? do you have a different style of counting over there in the us or what 2-1 + 2-0 --> 5 upgrades 2-2 + 0-0 --> 4 upgrades
Lol , when NesTea`s army mainly consisted of zerglings, you think those ground upgrades beat 2-2 marines? Play the game. Marines shoot air too, lawl.
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On January 23 2011 14:53 57 Corvette wrote: @The mods, Are you guys going to be giving out weeklong temp bans for balance discussion in the finals thread next week? Posts that we're banning for cannot be qualified as "balance discussion" — they're one-liner complaints about the state of the game.
This is fun!
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I think Nestea maybe lost too many muta that game, that and the choke was horrible to engage in.
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The one idea glaring in my head is that zerg has to kill their back rocks and prevent the Terran from ever getting there, cause once they're sieged up on that ramp they're so damn well defended. Of course they can always do a slower bunker + turret + siege push forward up there anyway. It'd buy you some time, but still, once they get around to your main I still have no idea how to stop it.
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On January 23 2011 14:56 CustomKal wrote: Nestea shouldn't have attacked into such a bad choke. Going for the main would have just destroyed MVP.
There was a wall of 3 barracks. :o
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On January 23 2011 14:55 Fruscainte wrote: Guys
Having 4 bases doesn't mean you have 4 saturated bases. Nestea probably had 2 1/2 bases saturated. Yes. This has been established more times than the "4 base zerg lose to 2 base terran" comment has been.
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With that much money, Nestea really should have had better upgrades for his lings. He also should have used baneling bombs mixed in with ling drops to help deal with the terrain. He really handled that poorly. Also with 4 bases, there was absolutely no reason to panic about losing his main. He had more than enough time to rebuild his tech at the 4th and then fight in the larger area of his main. Losing the main is alright, but losing that area is not. If he had mixed roaches in with his bling/ling, he could have crushed that with the wider area of his main. He just shouldn't have engaged at the ramp. It was the worst possible location.
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As others said, the single tank on the ramp at nestea's backdoor won that game for mvp, it funneled all the units into the siege tanks 1 by 1.
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Kind of interesting to read someone's post then seem them on live TV. hehe
1-1 going to Blistering. Hopefully Nestea can flank MVP when he tries to seige-tank the gold, like against Idra.
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this might really go down to the last game cos i cant see mvp winning on blistering sands and nestea on jungle basin
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lol at all the girls screaming for Nestea.
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On January 23 2011 14:52 rebdomine wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 14:50 speedphlux wrote: Why is the GSL starting earlier and earlier ?! At first, it was 1 PM my time - perfect time for watching StarCraft 2. Then it moved to 11 AM my time and today, I gotta fucking wake up at 7 AM to watch one of the most important games in StarCraft 2 history ?! I mean, WTF ?! Are you serious ? Why are they doing this ? Can someone explain the poor stupid bastard ? Thanks in advance ! They air it at Korean prime times. It's a Sunday. They can afford to show it on an afternoon as people aren't at work/school.
Australia is a great time for GSL. Starts at 8 every night, thoday's match start at a lazy 4PM.
Ahhhh, the lucky country.
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On January 23 2011 14:56 mango_destroyer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 14:55 imperator-xy wrote:On January 23 2011 14:53 mango_destroyer wrote:On January 23 2011 14:51 Zerglot wrote:On January 23 2011 14:47 mango_destroyer wrote: MVP had much more superior upgrades not sure why everyone saying NesTea outplayed MVP. If you bothered to look it was 2-1 ground and 2-0 air for nestea vs 2-2 marines and 0-0 tanks Exactly bro, superior upgrades. Or you cant count? do you have a different style of counting over there in the us or what 2-1 + 2-0 --> 5 upgrades 2-2 + 0-0 --> 4 upgrades Lol , when NesTea`s army mainly consisted of zerglings, you think those ground upgrades beat 2-2 marines? Play the game. Marines shoot air too, lawl.
so in how far does that change the facts now?
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