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FrostyTreats
Profile Joined January 2011
United States355 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-25 08:33:59
January 25 2011 08:32 GMT
#221
On January 25 2011 17:32 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2011 17:31 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 14:12 Wolf wrote:
On January 25 2011 13:20 FrostyTreats wrote:
You know i hate to point fingers but you should have any top protoss player look at Opticzeros play. Its actually very fishy. Infact i'm entirely confused. His opp is going marauders close spawn and teching ( very tricky, dont see this much at all)
Yet opticzero opts for few gate units builds a robobay and goes striaght to collos and expands at same time........This is suicide vs rax expand openers.. and suicide vs 2 rax openers...LET ALONE NEIGHBOR SPAWN... He did not see that his opp was teching and its impossible to assume
The only thing it is strong against is a Tech play.... So im concluding a possibility of 1 of 3 things here.
OpticZero is cheating <---- Makes the most sense?
OpticZero is bad <---- I don't think hes bad enough to do something like this.
OpticZero can see the future <---- Pretty unlikely



Cheating <---- Always unlikely

well im actually fairly certain he was cheating. I just played him on ladder and on the best map for P no less.
http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542

here is me confronting him about his suspicious play.
oh and him losing.


You do know he's on FXO right? I highly doubt he would be dumb enough to start cheating with map hacks or anything don't know why you would accuse him of it at all -_-.

I dont think he hacks. I think someone was messaging him whats going on.
and http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542
I dont think he gave me a good reason at all.

ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-25 08:38:44
January 25 2011 08:38 GMT
#222
On January 25 2011 17:32 FrostyTreats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2011 17:32 blade55555 wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:31 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 14:12 Wolf wrote:
On January 25 2011 13:20 FrostyTreats wrote:
You know i hate to point fingers but you should have any top protoss player look at Opticzeros play. Its actually very fishy. Infact i'm entirely confused. His opp is going marauders close spawn and teching ( very tricky, dont see this much at all)
Yet opticzero opts for few gate units builds a robobay and goes striaght to collos and expands at same time........This is suicide vs rax expand openers.. and suicide vs 2 rax openers...LET ALONE NEIGHBOR SPAWN... He did not see that his opp was teching and its impossible to assume
The only thing it is strong against is a Tech play.... So im concluding a possibility of 1 of 3 things here.
OpticZero is cheating <---- Makes the most sense?
OpticZero is bad <---- I don't think hes bad enough to do something like this.
OpticZero can see the future <---- Pretty unlikely



Cheating <---- Always unlikely

well im actually fairly certain he was cheating. I just played him on ladder and on the best map for P no less.
http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542



here is me confronting him about his suspicious play.
oh and him losing.


You do know he's on FXO right? I highly doubt he would be dumb enough to start cheating with map hacks or anything don't know why you would accuse him of it at all -_-.

I dont think he hacks. I think someone was messaging him whats going on.
and http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542
I dont think he gave me a good reason at all.



Hey i really think that you shouldn't make accusations like this. Optik is definitely a top player on a sponsored team. It would be very foolish to risk his career in pro gaming like that. Perhaps his decisions were based on the current metagame. Perhaps he was playing the player's style so he knew what he could get away with. Perhaps he was just taking a risk. There is alot more to sc2 than standard/safe play.
TL+ Member
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
January 25 2011 08:40 GMT
#223
On January 25 2011 17:32 FrostyTreats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2011 17:32 blade55555 wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:31 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 14:12 Wolf wrote:
On January 25 2011 13:20 FrostyTreats wrote:
You know i hate to point fingers but you should have any top protoss player look at Opticzeros play. Its actually very fishy. Infact i'm entirely confused. His opp is going marauders close spawn and teching ( very tricky, dont see this much at all)
Yet opticzero opts for few gate units builds a robobay and goes striaght to collos and expands at same time........This is suicide vs rax expand openers.. and suicide vs 2 rax openers...LET ALONE NEIGHBOR SPAWN... He did not see that his opp was teching and its impossible to assume
The only thing it is strong against is a Tech play.... So im concluding a possibility of 1 of 3 things here.
OpticZero is cheating <---- Makes the most sense?
OpticZero is bad <---- I don't think hes bad enough to do something like this.
OpticZero can see the future <---- Pretty unlikely



Cheating <---- Always unlikely

well im actually fairly certain he was cheating. I just played him on ladder and on the best map for P no less.
http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542

here is me confronting him about his suspicious play.
oh and him losing.


You do know he's on FXO right? I highly doubt he would be dumb enough to start cheating with map hacks or anything don't know why you would accuse him of it at all -_-.

I dont think he hacks. I think someone was messaging him whats going on.
and http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542
I dont think he gave me a good reason at all.



Watched the replay and all it really did was make you look like a complete asshole. He explained why he did what he did and you didn't believe him and kept going on and on about how he was retarded or stupid or some other names you wanted to say.

Dunno I give optik props if some guy like you was messaging me like that you'd have been on my ignore list after reading 2 sentences you typed out :S.
When I think of something else, something will go here
FrostyTreats
Profile Joined January 2011
United States355 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-25 08:43:29
January 25 2011 08:41 GMT
#224
On January 25 2011 17:38 ReachTheSky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2011 17:32 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:32 blade55555 wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:31 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 14:12 Wolf wrote:
On January 25 2011 13:20 FrostyTreats wrote:
You know i hate to point fingers but you should have any top protoss player look at Opticzeros play. Its actually very fishy. Infact i'm entirely confused. His opp is going marauders close spawn and teching ( very tricky, dont see this much at all)
Yet opticzero opts for few gate units builds a robobay and goes striaght to collos and expands at same time........This is suicide vs rax expand openers.. and suicide vs 2 rax openers...LET ALONE NEIGHBOR SPAWN... He did not see that his opp was teching and its impossible to assume
The only thing it is strong against is a Tech play.... So im concluding a possibility of 1 of 3 things here.
OpticZero is cheating <---- Makes the most sense?
OpticZero is bad <---- I don't think hes bad enough to do something like this.
OpticZero can see the future <---- Pretty unlikely



Cheating <---- Always unlikely

well im actually fairly certain he was cheating. I just played him on ladder and on the best map for P no less.
http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542



here is me confronting him about his suspicious play.
oh and him losing.


You do know he's on FXO right? I highly doubt he would be dumb enough to start cheating with map hacks or anything don't know why you would accuse him of it at all -_-.

I dont think he hacks. I think someone was messaging him whats going on.
and http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542
I dont think he gave me a good reason at all.



Hey i really think that you shouldn't make accusations like this. Optik is definitely a top player on a sponsored team. It would be very foolish to risk his career in pro gaming like that. Perhaps his decisions were based on the current metagame. Perhaps he was playing the player's style so he knew what he could get away with. Perhaps he was just taking a risk. There is alot more to sc2 than standard/safe play.

Theres a fine line between Risky and stupid and i promise you he crossed it if he indeed was playing blind.
The very fact that his opp opened up with fast marauder close spawn gives the terran the ability to produce insurmountable pressure until the protoss gets sentries. We saw him hold it off. Great but its not like lost more then 1 marauder? i think. and then he proceeds to expand and tech at the same time.. The thing is with the opener fenix used is that its accompanied nearly all the time by a 2nd barracks.. and even if he had chosen an expansion after the barracks.. the following barracks would certainly have followed and allowed him to win the game with a simple A move. I just cant see someone at optikzeros level making this kind of mistake. i rly cant
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
January 25 2011 08:43 GMT
#225
On January 25 2011 17:41 FrostyTreats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2011 17:38 ReachTheSky wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:32 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:32 blade55555 wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:31 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 14:12 Wolf wrote:
On January 25 2011 13:20 FrostyTreats wrote:
You know i hate to point fingers but you should have any top protoss player look at Opticzeros play. Its actually very fishy. Infact i'm entirely confused. His opp is going marauders close spawn and teching ( very tricky, dont see this much at all)
Yet opticzero opts for few gate units builds a robobay and goes striaght to collos and expands at same time........This is suicide vs rax expand openers.. and suicide vs 2 rax openers...LET ALONE NEIGHBOR SPAWN... He did not see that his opp was teching and its impossible to assume
The only thing it is strong against is a Tech play.... So im concluding a possibility of 1 of 3 things here.
OpticZero is cheating <---- Makes the most sense?
OpticZero is bad <---- I don't think hes bad enough to do something like this.
OpticZero can see the future <---- Pretty unlikely



Cheating <---- Always unlikely

well im actually fairly certain he was cheating. I just played him on ladder and on the best map for P no less.
http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542



here is me confronting him about his suspicious play.
oh and him losing.


You do know he's on FXO right? I highly doubt he would be dumb enough to start cheating with map hacks or anything don't know why you would accuse him of it at all -_-.

I dont think he hacks. I think someone was messaging him whats going on.
and http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542
I dont think he gave me a good reason at all.



Hey i really think that you shouldn't make accusations like this. Optik is definitely a top player on a sponsored team. It would be very foolish to risk his career in pro gaming like that. Perhaps his decisions were based on the current metagame. Perhaps he was playing the player's style so he knew what he could get away with. Perhaps he was just taking a risk. There is alot more to sc2 than standard/safe play.

Theres a fine line between Risky and stupid and i promise you he crossed it he indeed was playing blind.
The very fact that his opp opened up with fast marauder close spawn gives the terran the ability to produce insurmountable pressure until the protoss gets sentries. We saw him hold it off. Great but its not like lost more then 1 marauder? i think. and then he proceeds to expand and tech at the same time.. The thing is with the opener fenix used is that its accompanied nearly all the time by a 2nd barracks.. and even if he had chosen an expansion after the barracks.. the following barracks would certainly have followed and allowed him to win the game with a simple A move.



Ok then he was playing blind. who cares? lol that is still not enough to start slinging accusations around man.
TL+ Member
FrostyTreats
Profile Joined January 2011
United States355 Posts
January 25 2011 08:44 GMT
#226
On January 25 2011 17:43 ReachTheSky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2011 17:41 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:38 ReachTheSky wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:32 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:32 blade55555 wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:31 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 14:12 Wolf wrote:
On January 25 2011 13:20 FrostyTreats wrote:
You know i hate to point fingers but you should have any top protoss player look at Opticzeros play. Its actually very fishy. Infact i'm entirely confused. His opp is going marauders close spawn and teching ( very tricky, dont see this much at all)
Yet opticzero opts for few gate units builds a robobay and goes striaght to collos and expands at same time........This is suicide vs rax expand openers.. and suicide vs 2 rax openers...LET ALONE NEIGHBOR SPAWN... He did not see that his opp was teching and its impossible to assume
The only thing it is strong against is a Tech play.... So im concluding a possibility of 1 of 3 things here.
OpticZero is cheating <---- Makes the most sense?
OpticZero is bad <---- I don't think hes bad enough to do something like this.
OpticZero can see the future <---- Pretty unlikely



Cheating <---- Always unlikely

well im actually fairly certain he was cheating. I just played him on ladder and on the best map for P no less.
http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542



here is me confronting him about his suspicious play.
oh and him losing.


You do know he's on FXO right? I highly doubt he would be dumb enough to start cheating with map hacks or anything don't know why you would accuse him of it at all -_-.

I dont think he hacks. I think someone was messaging him whats going on.
and http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542
I dont think he gave me a good reason at all.



Hey i really think that you shouldn't make accusations like this. Optik is definitely a top player on a sponsored team. It would be very foolish to risk his career in pro gaming like that. Perhaps his decisions were based on the current metagame. Perhaps he was playing the player's style so he knew what he could get away with. Perhaps he was just taking a risk. There is alot more to sc2 than standard/safe play.

Theres a fine line between Risky and stupid and i promise you he crossed it he indeed was playing blind.
The very fact that his opp opened up with fast marauder close spawn gives the terran the ability to produce insurmountable pressure until the protoss gets sentries. We saw him hold it off. Great but its not like lost more then 1 marauder? i think. and then he proceeds to expand and tech at the same time.. The thing is with the opener fenix used is that its accompanied nearly all the time by a 2nd barracks.. and even if he had chosen an expansion after the barracks.. the following barracks would certainly have followed and allowed him to win the game with a simple A move.



Ok then he was playing blind. who cares? lol that is still not enough to start slinging accusations around man.

I forgot to add the last part. I don't think someone of optikzeros caliber could possibly make that kind of mistake.
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
January 25 2011 08:46 GMT
#227
On January 25 2011 17:44 FrostyTreats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2011 17:43 ReachTheSky wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:41 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:38 ReachTheSky wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:32 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:32 blade55555 wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:31 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 14:12 Wolf wrote:
On January 25 2011 13:20 FrostyTreats wrote:
You know i hate to point fingers but you should have any top protoss player look at Opticzeros play. Its actually very fishy. Infact i'm entirely confused. His opp is going marauders close spawn and teching ( very tricky, dont see this much at all)
Yet opticzero opts for few gate units builds a robobay and goes striaght to collos and expands at same time........This is suicide vs rax expand openers.. and suicide vs 2 rax openers...LET ALONE NEIGHBOR SPAWN... He did not see that his opp was teching and its impossible to assume
The only thing it is strong against is a Tech play.... So im concluding a possibility of 1 of 3 things here.
OpticZero is cheating <---- Makes the most sense?
OpticZero is bad <---- I don't think hes bad enough to do something like this.
OpticZero can see the future <---- Pretty unlikely



Cheating <---- Always unlikely

well im actually fairly certain he was cheating. I just played him on ladder and on the best map for P no less.
http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542



here is me confronting him about his suspicious play.
oh and him losing.


You do know he's on FXO right? I highly doubt he would be dumb enough to start cheating with map hacks or anything don't know why you would accuse him of it at all -_-.

I dont think he hacks. I think someone was messaging him whats going on.
and http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542
I dont think he gave me a good reason at all.



Hey i really think that you shouldn't make accusations like this. Optik is definitely a top player on a sponsored team. It would be very foolish to risk his career in pro gaming like that. Perhaps his decisions were based on the current metagame. Perhaps he was playing the player's style so he knew what he could get away with. Perhaps he was just taking a risk. There is alot more to sc2 than standard/safe play.

Theres a fine line between Risky and stupid and i promise you he crossed it he indeed was playing blind.
The very fact that his opp opened up with fast marauder close spawn gives the terran the ability to produce insurmountable pressure until the protoss gets sentries. We saw him hold it off. Great but its not like lost more then 1 marauder? i think. and then he proceeds to expand and tech at the same time.. The thing is with the opener fenix used is that its accompanied nearly all the time by a 2nd barracks.. and even if he had chosen an expansion after the barracks.. the following barracks would certainly have followed and allowed him to win the game with a simple A move.



Ok then he was playing blind. who cares? lol that is still not enough to start slinging accusations around man.

I forgot to add the last part. I don't think someone of optikzeros caliber could possibly make that kind of mistake.


I really think you should just let it go man.
TL+ Member
FrostyTreats
Profile Joined January 2011
United States355 Posts
January 25 2011 08:48 GMT
#228
On January 25 2011 17:46 ReachTheSky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2011 17:44 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:43 ReachTheSky wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:41 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:38 ReachTheSky wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:32 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:32 blade55555 wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:31 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 14:12 Wolf wrote:
On January 25 2011 13:20 FrostyTreats wrote:
You know i hate to point fingers but you should have any top protoss player look at Opticzeros play. Its actually very fishy. Infact i'm entirely confused. His opp is going marauders close spawn and teching ( very tricky, dont see this much at all)
Yet opticzero opts for few gate units builds a robobay and goes striaght to collos and expands at same time........This is suicide vs rax expand openers.. and suicide vs 2 rax openers...LET ALONE NEIGHBOR SPAWN... He did not see that his opp was teching and its impossible to assume
The only thing it is strong against is a Tech play.... So im concluding a possibility of 1 of 3 things here.
OpticZero is cheating <---- Makes the most sense?
OpticZero is bad <---- I don't think hes bad enough to do something like this.
OpticZero can see the future <---- Pretty unlikely



Cheating <---- Always unlikely

well im actually fairly certain he was cheating. I just played him on ladder and on the best map for P no less.
http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542



here is me confronting him about his suspicious play.
oh and him losing.


You do know he's on FXO right? I highly doubt he would be dumb enough to start cheating with map hacks or anything don't know why you would accuse him of it at all -_-.

I dont think he hacks. I think someone was messaging him whats going on.
and http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542
I dont think he gave me a good reason at all.



Hey i really think that you shouldn't make accusations like this. Optik is definitely a top player on a sponsored team. It would be very foolish to risk his career in pro gaming like that. Perhaps his decisions were based on the current metagame. Perhaps he was playing the player's style so he knew what he could get away with. Perhaps he was just taking a risk. There is alot more to sc2 than standard/safe play.

Theres a fine line between Risky and stupid and i promise you he crossed it he indeed was playing blind.
The very fact that his opp opened up with fast marauder close spawn gives the terran the ability to produce insurmountable pressure until the protoss gets sentries. We saw him hold it off. Great but its not like lost more then 1 marauder? i think. and then he proceeds to expand and tech at the same time.. The thing is with the opener fenix used is that its accompanied nearly all the time by a 2nd barracks.. and even if he had chosen an expansion after the barracks.. the following barracks would certainly have followed and allowed him to win the game with a simple A move.



Ok then he was playing blind. who cares? lol that is still not enough to start slinging accusations around man.

I forgot to add the last part. I don't think someone of optikzeros caliber could possibly make that kind of mistake.


I really think you should just let it go man.

your probably right. But im going to continue to watch him closely
FrostyTreats
Profile Joined January 2011
United States355 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-25 09:23:14
January 25 2011 09:22 GMT
#229
I had a discussion with him, I looked closely for a scout but i must have missed it. He tells me he did infact see 2 gas and no 2nd rax at the 4 minute mark. So i humbly apologize to optikzero
I heard he was a cheater in BW so i was on edge when i saw this.
Speake
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States494 Posts
January 25 2011 09:59 GMT
#230
optikz always plays weird and abusive anyway
tQ.Speake
Ipp
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States456 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-25 20:34:30
January 25 2011 13:05 GMT
#231
On January 25 2011 17:48 FrostyTreats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2011 17:46 ReachTheSky wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:44 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:43 ReachTheSky wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:41 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:38 ReachTheSky wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:32 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:32 blade55555 wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:31 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 14:12 Wolf wrote:
[quote]


Cheating <---- Always unlikely

well im actually fairly certain he was cheating. I just played him on ladder and on the best map for P no less.
http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542



here is me confronting him about his suspicious play.
oh and him losing.


You do know he's on FXO right? I highly doubt he would be dumb enough to start cheating with map hacks or anything don't know why you would accuse him of it at all -_-.

I dont think he hacks. I think someone was messaging him whats going on.
and http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542
I dont think he gave me a good reason at all.



Hey i really think that you shouldn't make accusations like this. Optik is definitely a top player on a sponsored team. It would be very foolish to risk his career in pro gaming like that. Perhaps his decisions were based on the current metagame. Perhaps he was playing the player's style so he knew what he could get away with. Perhaps he was just taking a risk. There is alot more to sc2 than standard/safe play.

Theres a fine line between Risky and stupid and i promise you he crossed it he indeed was playing blind.
The very fact that his opp opened up with fast marauder close spawn gives the terran the ability to produce insurmountable pressure until the protoss gets sentries. We saw him hold it off. Great but its not like lost more then 1 marauder? i think. and then he proceeds to expand and tech at the same time.. The thing is with the opener fenix used is that its accompanied nearly all the time by a 2nd barracks.. and even if he had chosen an expansion after the barracks.. the following barracks would certainly have followed and allowed him to win the game with a simple A move.



Ok then he was playing blind. who cares? lol that is still not enough to start slinging accusations around man.

I forgot to add the last part. I don't think someone of optikzeros caliber could possibly make that kind of mistake.


I really think you should just let it go man.

your probably right. But im going to continue to watch him closely


Optikzero is just a good player who plays a lot of games. If he was cheating he wouldn't lose, additionally cheating is a slippery slope as Own3d does have a delay feature on some streams; I believe 2 minutes is the max. So if they consistently play differently on different services than it may be ok to discuss this. But just after a few games of good guessing this is just slander; if it was MC or Huk you probably wouldn't suspect a thing.

Some semi-pro's have messaged me before games predicting what their opponent will do and are correct majority of the time. Some players will do multiple builds but it will be the same builds on map/position. Playing blind is very risky but if you play enough games, you can guess what the opponent has based upon what he pokes you with.


Edit (forgot my reason for posting)
Dde Hwaiting! If he wins this next one I think VT Gaming needs to set up a Boss battle like EG.
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Mirhi
Profile Joined February 2010
United States389 Posts
January 25 2011 18:08 GMT
#232
Remember this is at 8pm EST tonight! Should be great finals!
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Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
January 25 2011 18:18 GMT
#233
Hey Ipp, remember when MorroW won like, every single Open Wolf Cup ? Haha
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stalife
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1222 Posts
January 25 2011 19:11 GMT
#234
Are all the semifinal matches start at once? Or are you guys casting one match at a time? If you guys are casting one match at a time, would it be possible for dde vs optik to be played first?
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Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
January 25 2011 19:53 GMT
#235
On January 26 2011 04:11 stalife wrote:
Are all the semifinal matches start at once? Or are you guys casting one match at a time? If you guys are casting one match at a time, would it be possible for dde vs optik to be played first?


I can't say for certain but I think they will be done separately.
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Antimage
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1293 Posts
January 25 2011 19:55 GMT
#236
Stalife fighting!
NrG.NeverExpo
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2114 Posts
January 25 2011 20:03 GMT
#237
I obv want dde to win the semis, but if he does that means that for the 3rd week in a row we will have a TvT Finals >.< maybe dde will offrace xD
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stalife
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1222 Posts
January 25 2011 22:46 GMT
#238
On January 26 2011 04:53 Wolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 04:11 stalife wrote:
Are all the semifinal matches start at once? Or are you guys casting one match at a time? If you guys are casting one match at a time, would it be possible for dde vs optik to be played first?


I can't say for certain but I think they will be done separately.


Would it be possible for my match vs allaboutyou be postponed to like 5:30 PM PST?
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dde
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada796 Posts
January 25 2011 23:03 GMT
#239
ya plz pp stal vs abu match cuz i wont be able to play until their match finishes
yes
Agh
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1075 Posts
January 25 2011 23:49 GMT
#240
On January 25 2011 17:41 FrostyTreats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2011 17:38 ReachTheSky wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:32 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:32 blade55555 wrote:
On January 25 2011 17:31 FrostyTreats wrote:
On January 25 2011 14:12 Wolf wrote:
On January 25 2011 13:20 FrostyTreats wrote:
You know i hate to point fingers but you should have any top protoss player look at Opticzeros play. Its actually very fishy. Infact i'm entirely confused. His opp is going marauders close spawn and teching ( very tricky, dont see this much at all)
Yet opticzero opts for few gate units builds a robobay and goes striaght to collos and expands at same time........This is suicide vs rax expand openers.. and suicide vs 2 rax openers...LET ALONE NEIGHBOR SPAWN... He did not see that his opp was teching and its impossible to assume
The only thing it is strong against is a Tech play.... So im concluding a possibility of 1 of 3 things here.
OpticZero is cheating <---- Makes the most sense?
OpticZero is bad <---- I don't think hes bad enough to do something like this.
OpticZero can see the future <---- Pretty unlikely



Cheating <---- Always unlikely

well im actually fairly certain he was cheating. I just played him on ladder and on the best map for P no less.
http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542



here is me confronting him about his suspicious play.
oh and him losing.


You do know he's on FXO right? I highly doubt he would be dumb enough to start cheating with map hacks or anything don't know why you would accuse him of it at all -_-.

I dont think he hacks. I think someone was messaging him whats going on.
and http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=2542
I dont think he gave me a good reason at all.



Hey i really think that you shouldn't make accusations like this. Optik is definitely a top player on a sponsored team. It would be very foolish to risk his career in pro gaming like that. Perhaps his decisions were based on the current metagame. Perhaps he was playing the player's style so he knew what he could get away with. Perhaps he was just taking a risk. There is alot more to sc2 than standard/safe play.

Theres a fine line between Risky and stupid and i promise you he crossed it if he indeed was playing blind.
The very fact that his opp opened up with fast marauder close spawn gives the terran the ability to produce insurmountable pressure until the protoss gets sentries. We saw him hold it off. Great but its not like lost more then 1 marauder? i think. and then he proceeds to expand and tech at the same time.. The thing is with the opener fenix used is that its accompanied nearly all the time by a 2nd barracks.. and even if he had chosen an expansion after the barracks.. the following barracks would certainly have followed and allowed him to win the game with a simple A move. I just cant see someone at optikzeros level making this kind of mistake. i rly cant


You're making yourself look like an idiot, I'd suggest stopping.

You fail to realize that every person at top tier has played each other 10-15+ times.
We know each others tendencies far more than it would appear to the average player.


The part I bolded just goes to show you are clueless, since you are using that assumption as a grounds for your 'argument'.





I may appear to be an emotionless sarcastic pos, but just like an onion when you pull off more and more layers you find the exact same thing everytime and you start crying
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