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ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
January 08 2011 20:01 GMT
#521
So, TLO is guaranteed at least 1250 pounds?
Don't mind me
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
January 08 2011 20:03 GMT
#522
On January 09 2011 05:01 ptbl wrote:
So, TLO is guaranteed at least 1250 pounds?

yea
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
January 08 2011 20:04 GMT
#523
On January 09 2011 05:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 05:01 ptbl wrote:
So, TLO is guaranteed at least 1250 pounds?

yea


shit just got real
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Irrational_Animal
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1059 Posts
January 08 2011 20:05 GMT
#524
Well what has to be considered is that random both increases his understanding of the matchups and his fun in sc2. Also I do not think that a good player has to be commited to just one race. In BW there always have been players that were strong with multiple races like Testie and Fisheye.
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 20:10:20
January 08 2011 20:09 GMT
#525
On January 09 2011 05:04 SmoKim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 05:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On January 09 2011 05:01 ptbl wrote:
So, TLO is guaranteed at least 1250 pounds?

yea


shit just got real


ok, I just converted pounds to dollars. 1250 pounds is almost 2k! Holy cow. Wouldn't it be great if haypro and TLO finish 1-2 in whatever order.
Don't mind me
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
January 08 2011 20:12 GMT
#526
On January 09 2011 04:59 Xxavi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 04:43 FreeUrMind wrote:
On January 09 2011 04:36 Xxavi wrote:
It's a shame TLO left Korean and it's a shame he is switching around races. You cannot just pick the next best race after a patch or after it is figured out. You will never master it at the very highest level, IMO.

He seems to have more raw potential/talent than pretty much any other Liquid member in Korea. But I am not sure if he can be a player in a global scale being in Europe and switching around like that.


I think the games that were casted today were far more interesting than the cheesefest we see in GSL and in the Korean ladder (reference Huk's stream)

I watch non-Korean tournaments and almost always, the games go much longer than Korean ones. This is probably more entertaining, but this also shows how lower the level of other players are compared to Koreans, IMO.

Wasn't Ret saying "Europeans cannot take advantage of Zerg's early weakness"? Non-Korean players are extremely weak in terms of cheesing and defending a cheese. They are also fairly weaker when it comes to timing pushes. We see all sorts of weird timing pushes in GSL.

So as a fan, I like longer games, but this is, IMO, one of the biggest reasons why we saw 4 Liquid-oGs players saw in top 4 the other day. Ret wouldn't have survived until top 4 in a Korean event due to cheese/timing pushes.


they only had to play 1 BO3 to reach top 4. oGsTop won that tournament and he lost to Fenix and Naama at Dreamhack. I wouldn't say they are on a much lower level. Select is also doing pretty good on the Korean ladder, but he lost to TLO and Naniwa in this week.

They are better at cheese/all-in, because that's the only thing they seem to do on ladder judging from the streams.
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
January 08 2011 20:20 GMT
#527
On January 09 2011 05:12 vdale wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 04:59 Xxavi wrote:
On January 09 2011 04:43 FreeUrMind wrote:
On January 09 2011 04:36 Xxavi wrote:
It's a shame TLO left Korean and it's a shame he is switching around races. You cannot just pick the next best race after a patch or after it is figured out. You will never master it at the very highest level, IMO.

He seems to have more raw potential/talent than pretty much any other Liquid member in Korea. But I am not sure if he can be a player in a global scale being in Europe and switching around like that.


I think the games that were casted today were far more interesting than the cheesefest we see in GSL and in the Korean ladder (reference Huk's stream)

I watch non-Korean tournaments and almost always, the games go much longer than Korean ones. This is probably more entertaining, but this also shows how lower the level of other players are compared to Koreans, IMO.

Wasn't Ret saying "Europeans cannot take advantage of Zerg's early weakness"? Non-Korean players are extremely weak in terms of cheesing and defending a cheese. They are also fairly weaker when it comes to timing pushes. We see all sorts of weird timing pushes in GSL.

So as a fan, I like longer games, but this is, IMO, one of the biggest reasons why we saw 4 Liquid-oGs players saw in top 4 the other day. Ret wouldn't have survived until top 4 in a Korean event due to cheese/timing pushes.


they only had to play 1 BO3 to reach top 4. oGsTop won that tournament and he lost to Fenix and Naama at Dreamhack. I wouldn't say they are on a much lower level. Select is also doing pretty good on the Korean ladder, but he lost to TLO and Naniwa in this week.

They are better at cheese/all-in, because that's the only thing they seem to do on ladder judging from the streams.

To be honest with you, I do not consider any of the oGsTop, Select etc. can be called as one of the better players in Korea. Most of those we saw are not even S class. And even S class ones are pretty mediocre (like oGsInca) in GSL as a whole.

May be non-Koreans are not MUCH lower, but cheese/all-in aside, they are still a bit behind.
Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1837 Posts
January 08 2011 20:24 GMT
#528
Let's go Haypro!
FreeUrMind
Profile Joined November 2005
639 Posts
January 08 2011 20:25 GMT
#529
On January 09 2011 05:12 vdale wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 04:59 Xxavi wrote:
On January 09 2011 04:43 FreeUrMind wrote:
On January 09 2011 04:36 Xxavi wrote:
It's a shame TLO left Korean and it's a shame he is switching around races. You cannot just pick the next best race after a patch or after it is figured out. You will never master it at the very highest level, IMO.

He seems to have more raw potential/talent than pretty much any other Liquid member in Korea. But I am not sure if he can be a player in a global scale being in Europe and switching around like that.


I think the games that were casted today were far more interesting than the cheesefest we see in GSL and in the Korean ladder (reference Huk's stream)

I watch non-Korean tournaments and almost always, the games go much longer than Korean ones. This is probably more entertaining, but this also shows how lower the level of other players are compared to Koreans, IMO.

Wasn't Ret saying "Europeans cannot take advantage of Zerg's early weakness"? Non-Korean players are extremely weak in terms of cheesing and defending a cheese. They are also fairly weaker when it comes to timing pushes. We see all sorts of weird timing pushes in GSL.

So as a fan, I like longer games, but this is, IMO, one of the biggest reasons why we saw 4 Liquid-oGs players saw in top 4 the other day. Ret wouldn't have survived until top 4 in a Korean event due to cheese/timing pushes.


they only had to play 1 BO3 to reach top 4. oGsTop won that tournament and he lost to Fenix and Naama at Dreamhack. I wouldn't say they are on a much lower level. Select is also doing pretty good on the Korean ladder, but he lost to TLO and Naniwa in this week.

They are better at cheese/all-in, because that's the only thing they seem to do on ladder judging from the streams.



Yep, also I think that TLO would have gone very far in GSL S1 if he didn't loose to cheesy chedderdub.
Anyone can pull out cheesy play but as we saw the GSLs were not won by the bunch of cheesers and there is much more in SC 2 to be explored - check out Boxer vs Chedderdub
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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 20:29:12
January 08 2011 20:28 GMT
#530
On January 09 2011 05:25 FreeUrMind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 05:12 vdale wrote:
On January 09 2011 04:59 Xxavi wrote:
On January 09 2011 04:43 FreeUrMind wrote:
On January 09 2011 04:36 Xxavi wrote:
It's a shame TLO left Korean and it's a shame he is switching around races. You cannot just pick the next best race after a patch or after it is figured out. You will never master it at the very highest level, IMO.

He seems to have more raw potential/talent than pretty much any other Liquid member in Korea. But I am not sure if he can be a player in a global scale being in Europe and switching around like that.


I think the games that were casted today were far more interesting than the cheesefest we see in GSL and in the Korean ladder (reference Huk's stream)

I watch non-Korean tournaments and almost always, the games go much longer than Korean ones. This is probably more entertaining, but this also shows how lower the level of other players are compared to Koreans, IMO.

Wasn't Ret saying "Europeans cannot take advantage of Zerg's early weakness"? Non-Korean players are extremely weak in terms of cheesing and defending a cheese. They are also fairly weaker when it comes to timing pushes. We see all sorts of weird timing pushes in GSL.

So as a fan, I like longer games, but this is, IMO, one of the biggest reasons why we saw 4 Liquid-oGs players saw in top 4 the other day. Ret wouldn't have survived until top 4 in a Korean event due to cheese/timing pushes.


they only had to play 1 BO3 to reach top 4. oGsTop won that tournament and he lost to Fenix and Naama at Dreamhack. I wouldn't say they are on a much lower level. Select is also doing pretty good on the Korean ladder, but he lost to TLO and Naniwa in this week.

They are better at cheese/all-in, because that's the only thing they seem to do on ladder judging from the streams.



Yep, also I think that TLO would have gone very far in GSL S1 if he didn't loose to cheesy chedderdub.
Anyone can pull out cheesy play but as we saw the GSLs were not won by the bunch of cheesers and there is much more in SC 2 to be explored - check out Boxer vs Chedderdub

Uh, Hyperdub outplayed him in game 2 and in game 1 TLO only managed to come back due huge mistakes/luck (vikings being nuked). Well that's not fair, TLO did play well in game 1, but to get into that situation he was outplayed early on.
neocron
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom505 Posts
January 08 2011 20:28 GMT
#531
Cant watch the stream! Can u post results of the games? Would be great!
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 20:37:48
January 08 2011 20:28 GMT
#532
On January 09 2011 05:25 FreeUrMind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 05:12 vdale wrote:
On January 09 2011 04:59 Xxavi wrote:
On January 09 2011 04:43 FreeUrMind wrote:
On January 09 2011 04:36 Xxavi wrote:
It's a shame TLO left Korean and it's a shame he is switching around races. You cannot just pick the next best race after a patch or after it is figured out. You will never master it at the very highest level, IMO.

He seems to have more raw potential/talent than pretty much any other Liquid member in Korea. But I am not sure if he can be a player in a global scale being in Europe and switching around like that.


I think the games that were casted today were far more interesting than the cheesefest we see in GSL and in the Korean ladder (reference Huk's stream)

I watch non-Korean tournaments and almost always, the games go much longer than Korean ones. This is probably more entertaining, but this also shows how lower the level of other players are compared to Koreans, IMO.

Wasn't Ret saying "Europeans cannot take advantage of Zerg's early weakness"? Non-Korean players are extremely weak in terms of cheesing and defending a cheese. They are also fairly weaker when it comes to timing pushes. We see all sorts of weird timing pushes in GSL.

So as a fan, I like longer games, but this is, IMO, one of the biggest reasons why we saw 4 Liquid-oGs players saw in top 4 the other day. Ret wouldn't have survived until top 4 in a Korean event due to cheese/timing pushes.


they only had to play 1 BO3 to reach top 4. oGsTop won that tournament and he lost to Fenix and Naama at Dreamhack. I wouldn't say they are on a much lower level. Select is also doing pretty good on the Korean ladder, but he lost to TLO and Naniwa in this week.

They are better at cheese/all-in, because that's the only thing they seem to do on ladder judging from the streams.



Yep, also I think that TLO would have gone very far in GSL S1 if he didn't loose to cheesy chedderdub.
Anyone can pull out cheesy play but as we saw the GSLs were not won by the bunch of cheesers and there is much more in SC 2 to be explored - check out Boxer vs Chedderdub


Oh come on... Don't bring that back up again.
TLO just barely won game 1 there and got crushed in the second one.


On January 09 2011 05:28 neocron wrote:
Cant watch the stream! Can u post results of the games? Would be great!


Haypro playing SarenS again atm in the LB

Seems they are using some sort of extended series rule, so it's 2:1 already in a bo7 (?)

edit: Haypro just won, so it's 3:1 now
Kevmeister @ Dota2
neocron
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom505 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 20:41:23
January 08 2011 20:41 GMT
#533
Thx for keeping me updated!
Born)Slippy
Profile Joined October 2002
Norway1904 Posts
January 08 2011 20:41 GMT
#534
Who is commentating this? "shi-something" according to himself. Is this supposed to be a professional, serious cast? If yes (i.e. it's supposed to be serious casting), it's quite disappointing. This guy sounds like he's talking to his buddies in a pub.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
January 08 2011 20:43 GMT
#535
On January 09 2011 05:41 Born)Slippy wrote:
Who is commentating this? "shi-something" according to himself. Is this supposed to be a professional, serious cast? If yes (i.e. it's supposed to be serious casting), it's quite disappointing. This guy sounds like he's talking to his buddies in a pub.


sheekthief from ragequit.tv

and he's just a standin as there would have been no cast at all if ragequit didn't do it
Kevmeister @ Dota2
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
January 08 2011 20:43 GMT
#536
haypro repeating the same mistake from the last steppes of war he played.
Don't mind me
gnutz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany666 Posts
January 08 2011 20:44 GMT
#537
On January 09 2011 05:43 ptbl wrote:
haypro repeating the same mistake from the last steppes of war he played.

didn't go for drone rush?
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
January 08 2011 20:44 GMT
#538
3:2

haypro lost on steppes of lol
Kevmeister @ Dota2
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
January 08 2011 20:44 GMT
#539
Nope, he went for 14 hatch and got bunker rushed with 2 rax.
Don't mind me
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
January 08 2011 20:45 GMT
#540
On January 09 2011 05:44 FliedLice wrote:
3:2

haypro lost on steppes of lol


rofl
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
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