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Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
November 29 2010 12:43 GMT
#2761
The super aggressive terran play is getting stale, but cant blame them for it.

I wouldn't be surprised if this tournament sparks some competitive community maps.
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 29 2010 12:43 GMT
#2762
Why were there no ghost? Aren't they fucking insane with a bio army.
I had a good night of sleep.
Aus.Force
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1278 Posts
November 29 2010 12:43 GMT
#2763
come on hongun!! give us carriers pls would be so awesome to see
"no need for cinema, just watch special taktiks" - white-ra
DminusTerran
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1337 Posts
November 29 2010 12:43 GMT
#2764
On November 29 2010 21:42 HollowLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 21:41 DminusTerran wrote:
I honestly think Delta quadrant could be a great map it they widened out the center a bit.


Personally I think they just gotta ditch the rocks.


Yeah that would probably be cool.
Lucius2
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany548 Posts
November 29 2010 12:44 GMT
#2765
oh wow voids are so much better on this map.

u can really abuse the back behind the mineral line and charge up on all the rocks
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
November 29 2010 12:44 GMT
#2766
On November 29 2010 21:42 Endorsed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 21:41 Sfydjklm wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:38 Endorsed wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:34 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:30 AlexDeLarge wrote:
All the crying nerds should get it into their thick skull once and for all. Terran does NOT play like zerg. You do not need to expand expand expand and then try to win late game. In fact, it's counterintuitive. Terran has mules, which makes 1 base + strong timing pushes probably the best option to win - especially against a race with insane late game but rather weak and exposed early game. Stop blaming or hating terrans for taking advantage of their racial strengths.


But dont whine about TvZ lategame when your all-in strats dont work anymore. You better start to learn TvZ macro games instead of all-inning every game (yes 1base IS all-in)


Haha

macro game against zerg

funny.

We're saying terrans should be nerfed because theyre winning all tournaments outside of GSL and dominate GSL.


GSL: Zerg champion
GSL 2: Zerg champion
MLG: Only protoss and zerg winners
Dreamhack: Protoss winner? Or 2nd.


GTFO.
GSL 1: 3 terrans top 4
GSL 2: 3 terrans top 4
MLG: Terran won last and the best finishing zerg was 5th.
Dreamhack: + Show Spoiler +
terran won and best finishing zerg was top 16

Put some fucking effort in fact checking please before u argue with me


Who cares there are alot of terrans in the top 4. When zerg is winning everything. Just means there are alot of good terran players and only a few really good zerg players. Wich ofcourse isn't strange because there are alot of players who play terran.

because 1 zerg is abnormality but 3 terrans is statistical evidence.

twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
November 29 2010 12:44 GMT
#2767
On November 29 2010 21:42 Endorsed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 21:41 Sfydjklm wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:38 Endorsed wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:34 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:30 AlexDeLarge wrote:
All the crying nerds should get it into their thick skull once and for all. Terran does NOT play like zerg. You do not need to expand expand expand and then try to win late game. In fact, it's counterintuitive. Terran has mules, which makes 1 base + strong timing pushes probably the best option to win - especially against a race with insane late game but rather weak and exposed early game. Stop blaming or hating terrans for taking advantage of their racial strengths.


But dont whine about TvZ lategame when your all-in strats dont work anymore. You better start to learn TvZ macro games instead of all-inning every game (yes 1base IS all-in)


Haha

macro game against zerg

funny.

We're saying terrans should be nerfed because theyre winning all tournaments outside of GSL and dominate GSL.


GSL: Zerg champion
GSL 2: Zerg champion
MLG: Only protoss and zerg winners
Dreamhack: Protoss winner? Or 2nd.


GTFO.
GSL 1: 3 terrans top 4
GSL 2: 3 terrans top 4
MLG: Terran won last and the best finishing zerg was 5th.
Dreamhack: + Show Spoiler +
terran won and best finishing zerg was top 16

Put some fucking effort in fact checking please before u argue with me


Who cares there are alot of terrans in the top 4. When zerg is winning everything. Just means there are alot of good terran players and only a few really good zerg players. Wich ofcourse isn't strange because there are alot of players who play terran.


The irony...
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
November 29 2010 12:44 GMT
#2768
HongUn going for phoenix harass, JSL defending quite nicely, throwing up turrets.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
November 29 2010 12:45 GMT
#2769
Why is he going phoenix XX He isnt doing anything with them
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 29 2010 12:45 GMT
#2770
Ummm, are Phoenixes really good vs Terran?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Mr_Kzimir
Profile Joined August 2010
France268 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 12:45:56
November 29 2010 12:45 GMT
#2771
Damn i hope there will be carrier play

On November 29 2010 21:45 Holgerius wrote:
Ummm, are Phoenixes really good vs Terran?


Bonus damages vs light and can lift tanks
"Infantry , it's all about it"
palookieblue
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia326 Posts
November 29 2010 12:45 GMT
#2772
On November 29 2010 21:42 keV. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 21:40 palookieblue wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:35 Talin wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:26 palookieblue wrote:
Keep using the maps as your crutch, it seems to be working well.


Because it's true?

People were talking about it the moment maps were revealed, and they would still be talking about it if Ret won.

I disagree that Ret was outplayed. In fact he deserves credit for being so close to defending the push in the last game, despite the mistakes he made (player under pressure will almost certainly make more mistakes than the aggressive player anyway). From what I've seen in all 3 games, Ret is the better all-round player IMO. On balanced maps, Ret would probably win 7 series out of 10 against this guy.

The thing that irks me is that silly things like this just fuel the talk of Korean superiority.

I thought Ret defended amazing in the last game, so many times I thought he was dead lost but kept going. This doesn't mean he was the better player.

All 3 games just confirmed what is the current viewpoint (not saying that I agree) on TvZ. If you let a zerg macro up and have map control (ala game 1), you're disadvantaging yourself. Likewise, if Zerg is too greedy eco-wise on smaller maps, they are vulnerable to aggression (games 2, 3).

Again, I can respect your opinion that Ret is better, but the fact that he lost doesn't help your cause compared to if he won.


More worryingly, it doesn't affect your position that sCfOu is the better player because he beat Ret on Steppes.

I tend to stay away of these assumptions, because often the better player does not win.

Well that's funny because I thought Ret played TheBestfOu.
Silly me.

Futhermore, you haven't actually specified why another map would have done anything to change the outcome of the games.
oyoyo
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2014 Posts
November 29 2010 12:45 GMT
#2773
flying over the whole marine ball with phonixes, np
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
November 29 2010 12:45 GMT
#2774
On November 29 2010 21:45 Holgerius wrote:
Ummm, are Phoenixes really good vs Terran?


Hard to say... Don't see them much.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
November 29 2010 12:45 GMT
#2775
hongun giving away phoenixes, great...
Do you really want chat rooms?
Firereaver
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
India1701 Posts
November 29 2010 12:45 GMT
#2776
Being picked up by a phoenix. A terrible thing to happen.
"They drone drone drone , me win" - JangMinChul(Iron/oGsMC)
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
November 29 2010 12:45 GMT
#2777
On November 29 2010 21:45 Holgerius wrote:
Ummm, are Phoenixes really good vs Terran?


They're good to harass and deter vikings.
Also, map control, and scouting.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
November 29 2010 12:45 GMT
#2778
On November 29 2010 21:45 Holgerius wrote:
Ummm, are Phoenixes really good vs Terran?


Everytime I see a Protoss going Phoenix they loose to some Push because they do NOTHING in a battle and a few turrets shut harass down.
MDew
Profile Joined November 2010
United States256 Posts
November 29 2010 12:46 GMT
#2779
Don't vikings beat phoenix 1 on 1?..
Doko
Profile Joined May 2010
Argentina1737 Posts
November 29 2010 12:46 GMT
#2780
On November 29 2010 21:45 Woony wrote:
Why is he going phoenix XX He isnt doing anything with them


Sure he did, he forced turrets, marines and has control of his back ledge giving him a perma FF ramp.
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