• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:45
CET 15:45
KST 23:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win22025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!9BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION1Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams10Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest3
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Could we add "Avoid Matchup" Feature for rankgame Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win The New Patch Killed Mech! Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou
Tourneys
Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment
Brood War
General
[ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET [ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION ASL final tickets help
Strategy
PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Just for future reference, …
Peanutsc
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
The Benefits Of Limited Comm…
TrAiDoS
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Certified Crazy
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1566 users

[GSL] S3 Ro32 Day 2 - Page 138

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 136 137 138 139 140 167 Next
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
November 29 2010 12:41 GMT
#2741
He should have been more aggressive with the vikings earlier, he got a really good flank where the stalkers were out of position, he should have commited and could have easily taken out one of the colossi before it could do anything.
Quotidian
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1937 Posts
November 29 2010 12:41 GMT
#2742
I have a feeling this is the last GSL I'm going to watch... every tvz is all about rushing vs holding off the rush and the eventual zerg steamroll. Every tvp is about collossus vs vikings and maruaders. And who gives a shit about the other match ups, they're narcolepsy-inducing as well...
Pervect
Profile Joined June 2007
1280 Posts
November 29 2010 12:41 GMT
#2743
On November 29 2010 21:38 Endorsed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 21:34 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:30 AlexDeLarge wrote:
All the crying nerds should get it into their thick skull once and for all. Terran does NOT play like zerg. You do not need to expand expand expand and then try to win late game. In fact, it's counterintuitive. Terran has mules, which makes 1 base + strong timing pushes probably the best option to win - especially against a race with insane late game but rather weak and exposed early game. Stop blaming or hating terrans for taking advantage of their racial strengths.


But dont whine about TvZ lategame when your all-in strats dont work anymore. You better start to learn TvZ macro games instead of all-inning every game (yes 1base IS all-in)


Haha

macro game against zerg

funny.

Show nested quote +
We're saying terrans should be nerfed because theyre winning all tournaments outside of GSL and dominate GSL.


GSL: Zerg champion
GSL 2: Zerg champion
MLG: Only protoss and zerg winners
Dreamhack: Protoss winner? Or 2nd.



GSL: Zerg champion
GSL 2: Zerg champion
MLG: Protoss, then Zerg, then Terran
Dreamhack: Terran
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 29 2010 12:41 GMT
#2744
Terran went mass bio. But there wasnt a single Ghost.

GSL level is really low today.
I had a good night of sleep.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 12:41:46
November 29 2010 12:41 GMT
#2745
On November 29 2010 21:38 Endorsed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 21:34 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:30 AlexDeLarge wrote:
All the crying nerds should get it into their thick skull once and for all. Terran does NOT play like zerg. You do not need to expand expand expand and then try to win late game. In fact, it's counterintuitive. Terran has mules, which makes 1 base + strong timing pushes probably the best option to win - especially against a race with insane late game but rather weak and exposed early game. Stop blaming or hating terrans for taking advantage of their racial strengths.


But dont whine about TvZ lategame when your all-in strats dont work anymore. You better start to learn TvZ macro games instead of all-inning every game (yes 1base IS all-in)


Haha

macro game against zerg

funny.

Show nested quote +
We're saying terrans should be nerfed because theyre winning all tournaments outside of GSL and dominate GSL.


GSL: Zerg champion
GSL 2: Zerg champion
MLG: Only protoss and zerg winners
Dreamhack: Protoss winner? Or 2nd.


GTFO.
GSL 1: 3 terrans top 4
GSL 2: 3 terrans top 4
MLG: Terran won last and the best finishing zerg was 5th.
Dreamhack: + Show Spoiler +
terran won and best finishing zerg was top 16

Put some fucking effort in fact checking please before u argue with me
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
November 29 2010 12:41 GMT
#2746
On November 29 2010 21:39 MDew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 21:38 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
This I don't understand, protoss plays impressively when just makes a few colossi and runs to Terrans natural?

He had more stuff alright... but that's pretty much all there was to that game.



Terran over-made vikings vs only 3 colossi, had too little bio to fight the stalkers.


Yes?
Isn't that what I meant?
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
DminusTerran
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1337 Posts
November 29 2010 12:41 GMT
#2747
I honestly think Delta quadrant could be a great map it they widened out the center a bit.
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 12:42:37
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2748
On November 29 2010 21:38 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
This I don't understand, protoss plays impressively when just makes a few colossi and runs to Terrans natural?

He had more stuff alright... but that's pretty much all there was to that game.



Toss cant do anything in SC2 to demonstrate skill. Atleast in SC1 there was reaver + shuttle micro and dragoon micro. In SC2 only thing toss can do is force field to hold ramp till death ball and then 1A2A3A to victory.

If stalkers were viable vs T, then maybe we would see some mass blink stalker play/harass. But unfortunately with the way marauders RAPE stalkers, you are not going to see that as well.

Sad but true.
Envy fan since NTH.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 12:43:24
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2749
On November 29 2010 21:40 palookieblue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 21:35 Talin wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:26 palookieblue wrote:
Keep using the maps as your crutch, it seems to be working well.


Because it's true?

People were talking about it the moment maps were revealed, and they would still be talking about it if Ret won.

I disagree that Ret was outplayed. In fact he deserves credit for being so close to defending the push in the last game, despite the mistakes he made (player under pressure will almost certainly make more mistakes than the aggressive player anyway). From what I've seen in all 3 games, Ret is the better all-round player IMO. On balanced maps, Ret would probably win 7 series out of 10 against this guy.

The thing that irks me is that silly things like this just fuel the talk of Korean superiority.

I thought Ret defended amazing in the last game, so many times I thought he was dead lost but kept going. This doesn't mean he was the better player.

All 3 games just confirmed what is the current viewpoint (not saying that I agree) on TvZ. If you let a zerg macro up and have map control (ala game 1), you're disadvantaging yourself. Likewise, if Zerg is too greedy eco-wise on smaller maps, they are vulnerable to aggression (games 2, 3).

Again, I can respect your opinion that Ret is better, but the fact that he lost doesn't help your cause compared to if he won.


More worryingly, it doesn't affect your position that sCfOu is the better player because he beat Ret on Steppes.

I tend to stay away of these assumptions, because often the better player does not win.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
Obbalord
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany166 Posts
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2750
HongUnPrime FIGHTING! Today im cheering for Hongun and tomorrow for other 2 great Protoss :D
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2751
Oh god all the scrubs terrans (they're not exactyl scrubs obv) will qualify and JSL, one the the 2 very impressive terrans from RO64 will fail ><
But props to Hongun if he wins, I like him too.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2752
JSL going for same build, HongUn going for a stargate.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Firereaver
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
India1701 Posts
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2753
On November 29 2010 21:39 Koshi wrote:
I am telling you. Terran is going to scv allin.

Ok. That enuff. Seriously stop this stuff.
"They drone drone drone , me win" - JangMinChul(Iron/oGsMC)
bananafever
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria348 Posts
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2754
actually p needs to advance in order to have more toss in the ro8.. but this terran always plays solid with expansion it would be bad to see him getting defeated here while the allin terrans advance all the time
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2755
On November 29 2010 21:41 DminusTerran wrote:
I honestly think Delta quadrant could be a great map it they widened out the center a bit.


Personally I think they just gotta ditch the rocks.
dota 2 stream #noskill #feed #noob twitch.tv/dmcredgrave
Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2756
On November 29 2010 21:41 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 21:38 Endorsed wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:34 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:30 AlexDeLarge wrote:
All the crying nerds should get it into their thick skull once and for all. Terran does NOT play like zerg. You do not need to expand expand expand and then try to win late game. In fact, it's counterintuitive. Terran has mules, which makes 1 base + strong timing pushes probably the best option to win - especially against a race with insane late game but rather weak and exposed early game. Stop blaming or hating terrans for taking advantage of their racial strengths.


But dont whine about TvZ lategame when your all-in strats dont work anymore. You better start to learn TvZ macro games instead of all-inning every game (yes 1base IS all-in)


Haha

macro game against zerg

funny.

We're saying terrans should be nerfed because theyre winning all tournaments outside of GSL and dominate GSL.


GSL: Zerg champion
GSL 2: Zerg champion
MLG: Only protoss and zerg winners
Dreamhack: Protoss winner? Or 2nd.


GTFO.
GSL 1: 3 terrans top 4
GSL 2: 3 terrans top 4
MLG: Terran won last and the best finishing zerg was 5th.
Dreamhack: + Show Spoiler +
terran won and best finishing zerg was top 16

Put some fucking effort in fact checking please before u argue with me


Who cares there are alot of terrans in the top 4. When zerg is winning everything. Just means there are alot of good terran players and only a few really good zerg players. Wich ofcourse isn't strange because there are alot of players who play terran.
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
November 29 2010 12:43 GMT
#2757
Maybe carriers! WOuld be cool
rtsAlaran
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany383 Posts
November 29 2010 12:43 GMT
#2758
2rax+techlab... nobody saw this coming...
Olmer
Profile Joined March 2006
Poland320 Posts
November 29 2010 12:43 GMT
#2759
On November 29 2010 21:38 Endorsed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 21:34 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:30 AlexDeLarge wrote:
All the crying nerds should get it into their thick skull once and for all. Terran does NOT play like zerg. You do not need to expand expand expand and then try to win late game. In fact, it's counterintuitive. Terran has mules, which makes 1 base + strong timing pushes probably the best option to win - especially against a race with insane late game but rather weak and exposed early game. Stop blaming or hating terrans for taking advantage of their racial strengths.


But dont whine about TvZ lategame when your all-in strats dont work anymore. You better start to learn TvZ macro games instead of all-inning every game (yes 1base IS all-in)


Haha

macro game against zerg

funny.

Show nested quote +
We're saying terrans should be nerfed because theyre winning all tournaments outside of GSL and dominate GSL.


GSL: Zerg champion
GSL 2: Zerg champion
MLG: Only protoss and zerg winners
Dreamhack: Protoss winner? Or 2nd.



Nice try, but MLG was won by Jinro(T) and at Dreamhack there were 3 T's in top4
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
November 29 2010 12:43 GMT
#2760
Take game one of hongun vs jsl....and now go back to dreamhack and THINK about mana vs fenix. The EXACT same starting positions if I remember correctly, but the match was a million times better. Funny.
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Prev 1 136 137 138 139 140 167 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
CrankTV Team League
13:00
Playoffs: 2 Bo9s
Shopify Rebellion vs Team FalconLIVE!
BASILISK vs Team Liquid
LiquipediaDiscussion
OSC
12:00
King of the Hill #229
WardiTV725
IndyStarCraft 149
iHatsuTV 25
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko407
RotterdaM 171
IndyStarCraft 149
ProTech90
Codebar 26
StarCraft: Brood War
Horang2 34677
BeSt 1398
Hyuk 917
actioN 323
sSak 320
EffOrt 235
Mini 228
Soulkey 184
Light 85
Mind 70
[ Show more ]
Larva 54
ToSsGirL 48
PianO 35
Aegong 34
scan(afreeca) 16
Rock 16
Terrorterran 15
soO 14
Sacsri 12
sorry 7
HiyA 6
ivOry 2
Dota 2
Gorgc4488
qojqva1790
Dendi751
420jenkins240
XcaliburYe235
BananaSlamJamma186
Fuzer 123
Counter-Strike
fl0m1537
olofmeister1355
Other Games
singsing2001
B2W.Neo887
hiko606
Beastyqt374
DeMusliM286
Pyrionflax196
Hui .178
Sick163
byalli127
syndereN72
Mew2King68
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL9249
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 20
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 29
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1817
• WagamamaTV257
League of Legends
• Jankos3262
• Nemesis2287
• TFBlade606
Upcoming Events
OSC
1h 15m
Replay Cast
8h 15m
The PondCast
18h 15m
CrankTV Team League
22h 15m
Replay Cast
1d 19h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 21h
ByuN vs Spirit
herO vs Solar
MaNa vs Gerald
Rogue vs GuMiho
CrankTV Team League
1d 22h
Replay Cast
2 days
BSL Team A[vengers]
2 days
Dewalt vs Shine
UltrA vs ZeLoT
BSL 21
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
BSL Team A[vengers]
3 days
Cross vs Motive
Sziky vs HiyA
BSL 21
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
WardiTV TLMC #15
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
BSL 21 Team A
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.