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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
November 29 2010 12:41 GMT
#2741
He should have been more aggressive with the vikings earlier, he got a really good flank where the stalkers were out of position, he should have commited and could have easily taken out one of the colossi before it could do anything.
Quotidian
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1937 Posts
November 29 2010 12:41 GMT
#2742
I have a feeling this is the last GSL I'm going to watch... every tvz is all about rushing vs holding off the rush and the eventual zerg steamroll. Every tvp is about collossus vs vikings and maruaders. And who gives a shit about the other match ups, they're narcolepsy-inducing as well...
Pervect
Profile Joined June 2007
1280 Posts
November 29 2010 12:41 GMT
#2743
On November 29 2010 21:38 Endorsed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 21:34 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:30 AlexDeLarge wrote:
All the crying nerds should get it into their thick skull once and for all. Terran does NOT play like zerg. You do not need to expand expand expand and then try to win late game. In fact, it's counterintuitive. Terran has mules, which makes 1 base + strong timing pushes probably the best option to win - especially against a race with insane late game but rather weak and exposed early game. Stop blaming or hating terrans for taking advantage of their racial strengths.


But dont whine about TvZ lategame when your all-in strats dont work anymore. You better start to learn TvZ macro games instead of all-inning every game (yes 1base IS all-in)


Haha

macro game against zerg

funny.

Show nested quote +
We're saying terrans should be nerfed because theyre winning all tournaments outside of GSL and dominate GSL.


GSL: Zerg champion
GSL 2: Zerg champion
MLG: Only protoss and zerg winners
Dreamhack: Protoss winner? Or 2nd.



GSL: Zerg champion
GSL 2: Zerg champion
MLG: Protoss, then Zerg, then Terran
Dreamhack: Terran
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 29 2010 12:41 GMT
#2744
Terran went mass bio. But there wasnt a single Ghost.

GSL level is really low today.
I had a good night of sleep.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 12:41:46
November 29 2010 12:41 GMT
#2745
On November 29 2010 21:38 Endorsed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 21:34 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:30 AlexDeLarge wrote:
All the crying nerds should get it into their thick skull once and for all. Terran does NOT play like zerg. You do not need to expand expand expand and then try to win late game. In fact, it's counterintuitive. Terran has mules, which makes 1 base + strong timing pushes probably the best option to win - especially against a race with insane late game but rather weak and exposed early game. Stop blaming or hating terrans for taking advantage of their racial strengths.


But dont whine about TvZ lategame when your all-in strats dont work anymore. You better start to learn TvZ macro games instead of all-inning every game (yes 1base IS all-in)


Haha

macro game against zerg

funny.

Show nested quote +
We're saying terrans should be nerfed because theyre winning all tournaments outside of GSL and dominate GSL.


GSL: Zerg champion
GSL 2: Zerg champion
MLG: Only protoss and zerg winners
Dreamhack: Protoss winner? Or 2nd.


GTFO.
GSL 1: 3 terrans top 4
GSL 2: 3 terrans top 4
MLG: Terran won last and the best finishing zerg was 5th.
Dreamhack: + Show Spoiler +
terran won and best finishing zerg was top 16

Put some fucking effort in fact checking please before u argue with me
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
November 29 2010 12:41 GMT
#2746
On November 29 2010 21:39 MDew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 21:38 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
This I don't understand, protoss plays impressively when just makes a few colossi and runs to Terrans natural?

He had more stuff alright... but that's pretty much all there was to that game.



Terran over-made vikings vs only 3 colossi, had too little bio to fight the stalkers.


Yes?
Isn't that what I meant?
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DminusTerran
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1337 Posts
November 29 2010 12:41 GMT
#2747
I honestly think Delta quadrant could be a great map it they widened out the center a bit.
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 12:42:37
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2748
On November 29 2010 21:38 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
This I don't understand, protoss plays impressively when just makes a few colossi and runs to Terrans natural?

He had more stuff alright... but that's pretty much all there was to that game.



Toss cant do anything in SC2 to demonstrate skill. Atleast in SC1 there was reaver + shuttle micro and dragoon micro. In SC2 only thing toss can do is force field to hold ramp till death ball and then 1A2A3A to victory.

If stalkers were viable vs T, then maybe we would see some mass blink stalker play/harass. But unfortunately with the way marauders RAPE stalkers, you are not going to see that as well.

Sad but true.
Envy fan since NTH.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 12:43:24
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2749
On November 29 2010 21:40 palookieblue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 21:35 Talin wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:26 palookieblue wrote:
Keep using the maps as your crutch, it seems to be working well.


Because it's true?

People were talking about it the moment maps were revealed, and they would still be talking about it if Ret won.

I disagree that Ret was outplayed. In fact he deserves credit for being so close to defending the push in the last game, despite the mistakes he made (player under pressure will almost certainly make more mistakes than the aggressive player anyway). From what I've seen in all 3 games, Ret is the better all-round player IMO. On balanced maps, Ret would probably win 7 series out of 10 against this guy.

The thing that irks me is that silly things like this just fuel the talk of Korean superiority.

I thought Ret defended amazing in the last game, so many times I thought he was dead lost but kept going. This doesn't mean he was the better player.

All 3 games just confirmed what is the current viewpoint (not saying that I agree) on TvZ. If you let a zerg macro up and have map control (ala game 1), you're disadvantaging yourself. Likewise, if Zerg is too greedy eco-wise on smaller maps, they are vulnerable to aggression (games 2, 3).

Again, I can respect your opinion that Ret is better, but the fact that he lost doesn't help your cause compared to if he won.


More worryingly, it doesn't affect your position that sCfOu is the better player because he beat Ret on Steppes.

I tend to stay away of these assumptions, because often the better player does not win.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
Obbalord
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany166 Posts
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2750
HongUnPrime FIGHTING! Today im cheering for Hongun and tomorrow for other 2 great Protoss :D
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2751
Oh god all the scrubs terrans (they're not exactyl scrubs obv) will qualify and JSL, one the the 2 very impressive terrans from RO64 will fail ><
But props to Hongun if he wins, I like him too.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2752
JSL going for same build, HongUn going for a stargate.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Firereaver
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
India1701 Posts
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2753
On November 29 2010 21:39 Koshi wrote:
I am telling you. Terran is going to scv allin.

Ok. That enuff. Seriously stop this stuff.
"They drone drone drone , me win" - JangMinChul(Iron/oGsMC)
bananafever
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria348 Posts
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2754
actually p needs to advance in order to have more toss in the ro8.. but this terran always plays solid with expansion it would be bad to see him getting defeated here while the allin terrans advance all the time
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2755
On November 29 2010 21:41 DminusTerran wrote:
I honestly think Delta quadrant could be a great map it they widened out the center a bit.


Personally I think they just gotta ditch the rocks.
dota 2 stream #noskill #feed #noob twitch.tv/dmcredgrave
Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
November 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#2756
On November 29 2010 21:41 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 21:38 Endorsed wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:34 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:30 AlexDeLarge wrote:
All the crying nerds should get it into their thick skull once and for all. Terran does NOT play like zerg. You do not need to expand expand expand and then try to win late game. In fact, it's counterintuitive. Terran has mules, which makes 1 base + strong timing pushes probably the best option to win - especially against a race with insane late game but rather weak and exposed early game. Stop blaming or hating terrans for taking advantage of their racial strengths.


But dont whine about TvZ lategame when your all-in strats dont work anymore. You better start to learn TvZ macro games instead of all-inning every game (yes 1base IS all-in)


Haha

macro game against zerg

funny.

We're saying terrans should be nerfed because theyre winning all tournaments outside of GSL and dominate GSL.


GSL: Zerg champion
GSL 2: Zerg champion
MLG: Only protoss and zerg winners
Dreamhack: Protoss winner? Or 2nd.


GTFO.
GSL 1: 3 terrans top 4
GSL 2: 3 terrans top 4
MLG: Terran won last and the best finishing zerg was 5th.
Dreamhack: + Show Spoiler +
terran won and best finishing zerg was top 16

Put some fucking effort in fact checking please before u argue with me


Who cares there are alot of terrans in the top 4. When zerg is winning everything. Just means there are alot of good terran players and only a few really good zerg players. Wich ofcourse isn't strange because there are alot of players who play terran.
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
November 29 2010 12:43 GMT
#2757
Maybe carriers! WOuld be cool
rtsAlaran
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany383 Posts
November 29 2010 12:43 GMT
#2758
2rax+techlab... nobody saw this coming...
Olmer
Profile Joined March 2006
Poland320 Posts
November 29 2010 12:43 GMT
#2759
On November 29 2010 21:38 Endorsed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 21:34 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
On November 29 2010 21:30 AlexDeLarge wrote:
All the crying nerds should get it into their thick skull once and for all. Terran does NOT play like zerg. You do not need to expand expand expand and then try to win late game. In fact, it's counterintuitive. Terran has mules, which makes 1 base + strong timing pushes probably the best option to win - especially against a race with insane late game but rather weak and exposed early game. Stop blaming or hating terrans for taking advantage of their racial strengths.


But dont whine about TvZ lategame when your all-in strats dont work anymore. You better start to learn TvZ macro games instead of all-inning every game (yes 1base IS all-in)


Haha

macro game against zerg

funny.

Show nested quote +
We're saying terrans should be nerfed because theyre winning all tournaments outside of GSL and dominate GSL.


GSL: Zerg champion
GSL 2: Zerg champion
MLG: Only protoss and zerg winners
Dreamhack: Protoss winner? Or 2nd.



Nice try, but MLG was won by Jinro(T) and at Dreamhack there were 3 T's in top4
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
November 29 2010 12:43 GMT
#2760
Take game one of hongun vs jsl....and now go back to dreamhack and THINK about mana vs fenix. The EXACT same starting positions if I remember correctly, but the match was a million times better. Funny.
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
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