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Naz is going to EXPLODE after Ret wins this. This is going to be awesome. And yes I know Rets got this cos he's the man. Him and Tyler are my fav on TL. Jinro close there....
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On November 16 2010 14:47 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 14:46 justinpal wrote:On November 16 2010 14:44 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 16 2010 14:40 LeaD wrote:On November 16 2010 14:31 rasnj wrote:On November 16 2010 14:29 Dali. wrote:On November 16 2010 14:25 rasnj wrote:On November 16 2010 14:24 synapse wrote:
How can you guys possibly want FD to lose? T-T IMO he's overrated (he's good, but not as good as people make him out to be), but anyone able to give him a good fight would be interesting to see play. Overrated? He won the largest tournament ever when Zergs were dropping faster than raindrops. What he did was astonishing and no one ever predicted him to succeed in such a way. No they didn't, but they do now, and now people say he is the best zerg in the world. Yet he almost lost qualifiers. He's prob top10 zerg in the world, but players like nestea (and even zenio) are imo better. Zenio being better than Fruitdealer? Really? I didn't see any play from Zenio that compared to what Fruitdealer managed to do in the first season. Nestea is definitely a great player with great decision making, but I'd still give the nod to Fruitdealer (only slightly at best) since he won the GSL when zerg was actually underpowered and needed help, he was the underdog by a long shot in every ZvT he played. Nestea had a week to prepare for Boxer and he still lost the first two matches to the hyper-aggressive play style of Boxer, while Fruit was the first well known player to see how good Boxer and his style of play were and consequently lost 2-0. Managing to holdout as long as he did in game 2 was amazing, especially with losing his baneling nest on the first push and having to re-drone from being almost down 2:1 in drone count. Summed it up perfectly. NesTea dropped the first two games to BoxeR knowing EXACTLY what was coming, if it was a Bo7, I'm sure FD would've adjusted accordingly like NesTea. FD was amazing when Zerg sucked, and unfortunately ran into FoxeR early on. Put FD on NesTea's side of the bracket, NesTea would've lost to FoxeR 2-0 and we wouldn't even be talking about how FD is no longer a "great" Zerg. So what changed for Zerg that they no longer suck? Besides Roach range, I'm just slightly confused about this. It just seems to me that players are just getting better at playing the game and FD was the first to do so. Did you not see all the Terran nerfs? =/
please don't discuss balance here for once.
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Best comment from PlayXP on the brackets page:
THE GRACKEN? Lipstick .. Pity player Greg Fields.
Five of the emporer's grack + Jenny is eowoossi = gracken labor.
They're talking about boxer? and who is Jenny?
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On November 16 2010 14:46 Liquid`HuK wrote:
gogo ret fighting
Huk posting while owning noobz
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On November 16 2010 14:45 ZapRoffo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 14:42 theherder2 wrote:
I don't understand how there are so many byes. 64 players per bracket x 16 brackets = 1024 players. with 1500+ registrants, are there really 500+ people who don't show up? Yeah, it does seem odd since there are tons of byes in the 1024 player bracket they are playing in, when there were supposed to be far more than 1024 people. That means like almost half the people no-showed.
* Note: The previous TL SC2 Opens had 1200+ total registrations (including waitlist) for only 500 slots, but only ~460 actually checked-in.
700+ no-shows from 1200 registrations at TL Open 3, and you don't even have to leave your house for that. People suck.
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On November 16 2010 14:44 KhAlleB wrote:if HuK don't inprove in PvZ he will have really hard time in GSL  , so many zerg
That's what I'm most worried about, too. HuK is a SOLID player, but I'm from the PvZ i saw in MLG's recently, he seems a bit wobbly. But, HuK is the guy who can recognize his own weaknesses, and knows what he has to do to HuKSmash.
He's got this.
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On November 16 2010 14:46 Liquid`HuK wrote:
gogo ret fighting
the man himself
GLHF
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On November 16 2010 14:48 netherDrake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 14:47 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 16 2010 14:46 justinpal wrote:On November 16 2010 14:44 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 16 2010 14:40 LeaD wrote:On November 16 2010 14:31 rasnj wrote:On November 16 2010 14:29 Dali. wrote:On November 16 2010 14:25 rasnj wrote:On November 16 2010 14:24 synapse wrote:
How can you guys possibly want FD to lose? T-T IMO he's overrated (he's good, but not as good as people make him out to be), but anyone able to give him a good fight would be interesting to see play. Overrated? He won the largest tournament ever when Zergs were dropping faster than raindrops. What he did was astonishing and no one ever predicted him to succeed in such a way. No they didn't, but they do now, and now people say he is the best zerg in the world. Yet he almost lost qualifiers. He's prob top10 zerg in the world, but players like nestea (and even zenio) are imo better. Zenio being better than Fruitdealer? Really? I didn't see any play from Zenio that compared to what Fruitdealer managed to do in the first season. Nestea is definitely a great player with great decision making, but I'd still give the nod to Fruitdealer (only slightly at best) since he won the GSL when zerg was actually underpowered and needed help, he was the underdog by a long shot in every ZvT he played. Nestea had a week to prepare for Boxer and he still lost the first two matches to the hyper-aggressive play style of Boxer, while Fruit was the first well known player to see how good Boxer and his style of play were and consequently lost 2-0. Managing to holdout as long as he did in game 2 was amazing, especially with losing his baneling nest on the first push and having to re-drone from being almost down 2:1 in drone count. Summed it up perfectly. NesTea dropped the first two games to BoxeR knowing EXACTLY what was coming, if it was a Bo7, I'm sure FD would've adjusted accordingly like NesTea. FD was amazing when Zerg sucked, and unfortunately ran into FoxeR early on. Put FD on NesTea's side of the bracket, NesTea would've lost to FoxeR 2-0 and we wouldn't even be talking about how FD is no longer a "great" Zerg. So what changed for Zerg that they no longer suck? Besides Roach range, I'm just slightly confused about this. It just seems to me that players are just getting better at playing the game and FD was the first to do so. Did you not see all the Terran nerfs? =/ please don't discuss balance here for once.
He asked a question, I could care less about balance. Moving on.
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# MIRACLE WIN BY FRUITDEALER!!!!!!!! CANT BELIEVE IT!!!! 18 minutes ago via Mobile Web
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Artosis: sen doing well so far
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On November 16 2010 14:47 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 14:46 justinpal wrote:On November 16 2010 14:44 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 16 2010 14:40 LeaD wrote:On November 16 2010 14:31 rasnj wrote:On November 16 2010 14:29 Dali. wrote:On November 16 2010 14:25 rasnj wrote:On November 16 2010 14:24 synapse wrote:
How can you guys possibly want FD to lose? T-T IMO he's overrated (he's good, but not as good as people make him out to be), but anyone able to give him a good fight would be interesting to see play. Overrated? He won the largest tournament ever when Zergs were dropping faster than raindrops. What he did was astonishing and no one ever predicted him to succeed in such a way. No they didn't, but they do now, and now people say he is the best zerg in the world. Yet he almost lost qualifiers. He's prob top10 zerg in the world, but players like nestea (and even zenio) are imo better. Zenio being better than Fruitdealer? Really? I didn't see any play from Zenio that compared to what Fruitdealer managed to do in the first season. Nestea is definitely a great player with great decision making, but I'd still give the nod to Fruitdealer (only slightly at best) since he won the GSL when zerg was actually underpowered and needed help, he was the underdog by a long shot in every ZvT he played. Nestea had a week to prepare for Boxer and he still lost the first two matches to the hyper-aggressive play style of Boxer, while Fruit was the first well known player to see how good Boxer and his style of play were and consequently lost 2-0. Managing to holdout as long as he did in game 2 was amazing, especially with losing his baneling nest on the first push and having to re-drone from being almost down 2:1 in drone count. Summed it up perfectly. NesTea dropped the first two games to BoxeR knowing EXACTLY what was coming, if it was a Bo7, I'm sure FD would've adjusted accordingly like NesTea. FD was amazing when Zerg sucked, and unfortunately ran into FoxeR early on. Put FD on NesTea's side of the bracket, NesTea would've lost to FoxeR 2-0 and we wouldn't even be talking about how FD is no longer a "great" Zerg. So what changed for Zerg that they no longer suck? Besides Roach range, I'm just slightly confused about this. It just seems to me that players are just getting better at playing the game and FD was the first to do so. Did you not see all the Terran nerfs? =/
Toss got nerfed a bit aswell, Feedback isnt usable against corruptors anymore etc. 
at least for that MU.
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On November 16 2010 14:47 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 14:46 justinpal wrote:On November 16 2010 14:44 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 16 2010 14:40 LeaD wrote:On November 16 2010 14:31 rasnj wrote:On November 16 2010 14:29 Dali. wrote:On November 16 2010 14:25 rasnj wrote:On November 16 2010 14:24 synapse wrote:
How can you guys possibly want FD to lose? T-T IMO he's overrated (he's good, but not as good as people make him out to be), but anyone able to give him a good fight would be interesting to see play. Overrated? He won the largest tournament ever when Zergs were dropping faster than raindrops. What he did was astonishing and no one ever predicted him to succeed in such a way. No they didn't, but they do now, and now people say he is the best zerg in the world. Yet he almost lost qualifiers. He's prob top10 zerg in the world, but players like nestea (and even zenio) are imo better. Zenio being better than Fruitdealer? Really? I didn't see any play from Zenio that compared to what Fruitdealer managed to do in the first season. Nestea is definitely a great player with great decision making, but I'd still give the nod to Fruitdealer (only slightly at best) since he won the GSL when zerg was actually underpowered and needed help, he was the underdog by a long shot in every ZvT he played. Nestea had a week to prepare for Boxer and he still lost the first two matches to the hyper-aggressive play style of Boxer, while Fruit was the first well known player to see how good Boxer and his style of play were and consequently lost 2-0. Managing to holdout as long as he did in game 2 was amazing, especially with losing his baneling nest on the first push and having to re-drone from being almost down 2:1 in drone count. Summed it up perfectly. NesTea dropped the first two games to BoxeR knowing EXACTLY what was coming, if it was a Bo7, I'm sure FD would've adjusted accordingly like NesTea. FD was amazing when Zerg sucked, and unfortunately ran into FoxeR early on. Put FD on NesTea's side of the bracket, NesTea would've lost to FoxeR 2-0 and we wouldn't even be talking about how FD is no longer a "great" Zerg. So what changed for Zerg that they no longer suck? Besides Roach range, I'm just slightly confused about this. It just seems to me that players are just getting better at playing the game and FD was the first to do so. Did you not see all the Terran nerfs? =/
LOL...plus the Roach range is a nice buff for the zerg...now they can fend off against Hellions and the Reaper nerf was a R.I.P nerf...until Day 9 showed the qxc match lmao
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HuK Fightinggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
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On November 16 2010 14:49 k20 wrote:
# MIRACLE WIN BY FRUITDEALER!!!!!!!! CANT BELIEVE IT!!!! 18 minutes ago via Mobile Web
so slow...
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On November 16 2010 14:46 Liquid`HuK wrote:
gogo ret fighting
gogo HuK fighting too.. We need more toss' xD
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On November 16 2010 14:46 Liquid`HuK wrote:
gogo ret fighting
gogo huk fighting... please
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sen doing well so far -Artosis
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On November 16 2010 14:46 justinpal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 14:44 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 16 2010 14:40 LeaD wrote:On November 16 2010 14:31 rasnj wrote:On November 16 2010 14:29 Dali. wrote:On November 16 2010 14:25 rasnj wrote:On November 16 2010 14:24 synapse wrote:
How can you guys possibly want FD to lose? T-T IMO he's overrated (he's good, but not as good as people make him out to be), but anyone able to give him a good fight would be interesting to see play. Overrated? He won the largest tournament ever when Zergs were dropping faster than raindrops. What he did was astonishing and no one ever predicted him to succeed in such a way. No they didn't, but they do now, and now people say he is the best zerg in the world. Yet he almost lost qualifiers. He's prob top10 zerg in the world, but players like nestea (and even zenio) are imo better. Zenio being better than Fruitdealer? Really? I didn't see any play from Zenio that compared to what Fruitdealer managed to do in the first season. Nestea is definitely a great player with great decision making, but I'd still give the nod to Fruitdealer (only slightly at best) since he won the GSL when zerg was actually underpowered and needed help, he was the underdog by a long shot in every ZvT he played. Nestea had a week to prepare for Boxer and he still lost the first two matches to the hyper-aggressive play style of Boxer, while Fruit was the first well known player to see how good Boxer and his style of play were and consequently lost 2-0. Managing to holdout as long as he did in game 2 was amazing, especially with losing his baneling nest on the first push and having to re-drone from being almost down 2:1 in drone count. Summed it up perfectly. NesTea dropped the first two games to BoxeR knowing EXACTLY what was coming, if it was a Bo7, I'm sure FD would've adjusted accordingly like NesTea. FD was amazing when Zerg sucked, and unfortunately ran into FoxeR early on. Put FD on NesTea's side of the bracket, NesTea would've lost to FoxeR 2-0 and we wouldn't even be talking about how FD is no longer a "great" Zerg. So what changed for Zerg that they no longer suck? Besides Roach range, I'm just slightly confused about this. It just seems to me that players are just getting better at playing the game and FD was the first to do so.
It's not the buff to Roaches that helped Zerg the most, it's the changes to Terran early game. From the reaper nerf to the supply depot before barracks.
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On November 16 2010 14:47 robertdinh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 14:45 LeaD wrote:On November 16 2010 14:42 robertdinh wrote:
I think fruitdealer is the best zerg in the world, he just doesn't seem to have his cookbooks as polished.
His raw skill basically carried him through GSL s1, 2 roach warrens at a time. I don't think anyone could freestyle in game as much as he does and have the talent to get away with it.
And some of his setups were the most detailed and extensive setups we have yet to see in sc2. His cookbook is polished, it's just his play style is very risky. Well I don't agree with that conclusion seeing as how much he had to improvise in s1 with the state zerg was in at that point.
i think you're both right.
He is good at improvising on the fly and he did have a solid strategy set in GSL1. It's just that his cookbook got outdated in GSL 2.
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gunna watch walking dead, when its over i expect this thread to be 100 pages
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