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Thurokiir
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
November 16 2010 09:43 GMT
#4401
On November 16 2010 18:42 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 18:33 SiDX wrote:
Now Cella is out too? T-T


Man, Cella failing to qualify all 3 seasons. I feel bad for the guy.


Cella qual'd s1
Tahts halo dont worry
sqrt
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1210 Posts
November 16 2010 09:43 GMT
#4402
On November 16 2010 18:38 humblegar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 18:36 sqrt wrote:
Wait...is sSKS the only Protoss left? Damn...

The dead bodies will pave the way to a patch!


Or other maps.

Hard to judge balance with a fixed 3-maps series.


True, but I doubt that Blizzard would look at 7/8 qualified Protoss players and say "Match up is good, thumbs up.". Not to mention that there isn't a S-class P (I believe).
@
Kettchup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1911 Posts
November 16 2010 09:43 GMT
#4403
On November 16 2010 18:38 humblegar wrote:

Or other maps.

Hard to judge balance with a fixed 3-maps series.


That is a good point. One strongly Zerg favored map and 2 fairly neutral maps. Were they the same for day 1, or were they different for that?
Raisauce
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada864 Posts
November 16 2010 09:44 GMT
#4404
On November 16 2010 18:43 ZapRoffo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 18:42 Ocedic wrote:
On November 16 2010 18:33 SiDX wrote:
Now Cella is out too? T-T


Man, Cella failing to qualify all 3 seasons. I feel bad for the guy.

He was in season 1 wasn't he? Lost a ZvT 1st round.


Yeah to a 12 year old..I think....
butch
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium684 Posts
November 16 2010 09:44 GMT
#4405
On November 16 2010 18:42 LittleeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 18:37 butch wrote:
Lyn qualifies o/


Source?

http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=2333003

bless = lyn
Marauder Die Die
Deep[BluE[
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland78 Posts
November 16 2010 09:44 GMT
#4406
On November 16 2010 18:42 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 18:33 SiDX wrote:
Now Cella is out too? T-T


Man, Cella failing to qualify all 3 seasons. I feel bad for the guy.

he was in the RO64 in season 1
cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
November 16 2010 09:44 GMT
#4407
On November 16 2010 18:41 estee wrote:
C1 Final Round:
choyafOu v Ssoja
Undecided v GoldenfOu
OptimusPrime v LovePrime
IMMvp v Undecided


Any news on slayersboxer?
Slayers Forever! Rip. :( - Not the eSports organizer, that's CableStarcraft.
ottersareneat
Profile Joined November 2010
United States55 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 09:55:27
November 16 2010 09:45 GMT
#4408
Hey Everyone,

This is my first post on TL - long time reader, though (I don't usually participate on forums). For those of you who don't know me (probably, erm, every one of you), I'm the owner of Evil Geniuses... for those of you who watched the EG Masters' Cup stream so brilliantly produced by EG.SirScoots, I was "That Guy Behind The Broadcast Desk Who Didn't Want To Be On Cam." I've been involved in pro gaming for a long time now, and I decided to register my account on TL just now because I all of a sudden find this thread very problematic.

As everyone here is probably aware, TL is a juggernaut SC entity in eSports, and "wears two hats," so to say, as both a professional team and a coverage website. Some would argue that its influence as a coverage website and community stretches further than the influence of its pro players. In any case, obviously the two identities are intertwined and overlap to a certain extent.

Moving on (finally) to my point: as a very important, influential coverage hub focusing on what is currently pro gaming's most prevalent community, you can't be censoring players' names. I don't want to jump the gun and start waving around the "journalistic integrity" card prematurely, but I think it's pretty significant. Sure, TL isn't ESPN (yet), and sure, this is a forum-embedded community news piece updated by a very dedicated TL community member (for which I am grateful), but those - to me - are no excuse for throwing high standards of unbiased journalism to the side. It doesn't matter whether this is a forum post or a front-page news piece: you can't be censoring players' names or clan names just because they beat a community favorite.

Unfortunately, this pattern isn't necessarily restricted to this particular thread. There is a very minor (albeit certainly noticeable) trend on TL of posters only ensuring that Liquid pro players have their clan name mentioned - I.E. HuK is always referred to in TL coverage as Liquid`HuK, whereas SeleCt, for example, has always been just "SeleCt" and never "Dignitas.SeleCt" (at least as far as I've seen). This seems to vary based on the player and the community's familiarity with said player - IdrA, for example, is always referred to be the TL coverage folks as "EGIdrA" (we at EG are thankful for this) - but it is certainly a consistent trend. TL players are always referred to as TL players, but players from other pro teams don't necessarily always have their team name attached to their alias.

This is, of course, certainly *not* a case of intentional bias, and I'm not insinuating that it is in any way (I recently met Nazgul and several other TL executives at Blizzcon, and they held themselves with the utmost integrity and professionalism). At the end of the day, like many in this thread have pointed out, this is TL's home territory, and those covering competitions here ensure, first and foremost, that they point out what's going on with TL pro players. However, with that being said, sometimes intent is irrelevant (or close to it) when discussing matters of this matter - I.E., is neglecting to put in the care/effort to refer to SeleCt (for example) as Dignitas.SeleCt really any better than intentionally leaving out the team name? Maybe marginally better... but maybe not at all.

To summarize this already too-long post, I think it's really important for everyone in this community to remember that TL, while still a team website, is definitively the SC2 coverage hub of the English-speaking world. And any kind of journalistic bias here, whether intentional or unintentional, whether major or extremely minor (as minor as censoring a player's name because he beat HuK today), whether coming from an official TL coverage staff member or a dedicated community member not officially affiliated with TL, is extremely, extremely problematic. With this website getting the amount of traffic and attention that it does get (and should get), the coverage here needs to be held to high standards of journalistic integrity.

And at the end of the day, sure, this is TL's home base, and favoring TL's pro players in coverage posts - if it is desired to do so - may be TL's right... but doing something just because you have the power to ("just because you can") is really a very poor justification for doing anything.

(Thanks to those of you who actually read all of this)

-A

Edit: In the time it took me to write all of this, the censorship was removed. I think the points are still valid, though .

i like otters because they're neat and they hold hands while swimming backward.
Gudeldar
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1200 Posts
November 16 2010 09:45 GMT
#4409
On November 16 2010 18:43 sqrt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 18:38 humblegar wrote:
On November 16 2010 18:36 sqrt wrote:
Wait...is sSKS the only Protoss left? Damn...

The dead bodies will pave the way to a patch!


Or other maps.

Hard to judge balance with a fixed 3-maps series.


True, but I doubt that Blizzard would look at 7/8 qualified Protoss players and say "Match up is good, thumbs up.". Not to mention that there isn't a S-class P (I believe).


There are 4 out of a total of 16 given out so far Genius, Inca, Tester and HongUn
Moragon
Profile Joined October 2010
United States355 Posts
November 16 2010 09:46 GMT
#4410
GSL Season 1: Koreans see protoss as the strongest race. Indeed 27 protoss players qualify, the most of any race. They take 7 of the 16 spots in the round of 16 when patch 1.1 hits, nerfing zealot build time and warpgate cooldowns. No protoss reach the semifinals.

GSL Season 2: 20 protoss players qualify. After qualification patch 1.1.2 hits nerfing void rays, high templar feedback, and cannon expands vs zerg via roach buff. One protoss reaches the quarterfinals by default via a mirror matchup. No protoss reach the semifinals.

GSL season 3: 7 protoss players qualified. No protoss will reach the semifinals without patch 1.2.
antas
Profile Joined August 2010
Indonesia300 Posts
November 16 2010 09:46 GMT
#4411
On November 16 2010 18:44 Raisauce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 18:43 ZapRoffo wrote:
On November 16 2010 18:42 Ocedic wrote:
On November 16 2010 18:33 SiDX wrote:
Now Cella is out too? T-T


Man, Cella failing to qualify all 3 seasons. I feel bad for the guy.

He was in season 1 wasn't he? Lost a ZvT 1st round.


Yeah to a 12 year old..I think....


That 12 yrs old is MaruPrime I believe.

Where is he now btw, never seen his name in GSL3 Quals.
Entaro Adun!
estee
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (South)449 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 09:50:11
November 16 2010 09:46 GMT
#4412
C1 Final Round:
choyafOu v ST.Ssoja
Undecided v GoldenfOu
OptimusPrime v LovePrime
IMMvp v Undecided

C2 Final Round:
jAMWeRRa v 토샤드
Undecided v SlayerS_'BoxeR'
Undecided v sanZenith
CutefOu v 빅쏭WeRRa
Delamos
Profile Joined November 2010
United States32 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 09:46:46
November 16 2010 09:46 GMT
#4413

http://img27.imageshack.us/f/whenwillhenotice.png/
When will he notice O.o!?
butch
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium684 Posts
November 16 2010 09:46 GMT
#4414
the dude with the funny name (Chemical Engineering Research sth sth. aka Lots) has qualified too
Marauder Die Die
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
November 16 2010 09:48 GMT
#4415
oo a PvP, that's 1 more P guaranteed.

anyway i read in an interview not long ago that Dimaga said he was not interested at all in going to Korea. I don't remember clearly though so I might be wrong.

Lovedrop
Profile Joined April 2010
2629 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 09:48:54
November 16 2010 09:48 GMT
#4416
On November 16 2010 18:45 EGalex wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hey Everyone,

This is my first post on TL - long time reader, though (I don't usually participate on forums). For those of you who don't know me (probably, erm, every one of you), I'm the owner of Evil Geniuses... for those of you who watched the EG Masters' Cup stream so brilliantly produced by EG.SirScoots, I was "That Guy Behind The Broadcast Desk Who Didn't Want To Be On Cam." I've been involved in pro gaming for a long time now, and I decided to register my account on TL just now because I all of a sudden find this thread very problematic.

As everyone here is probably aware, TL is a juggernaut SC entity in eSports, and "wears two hats," so to say, as both a professional team and a coverage website. Some would argue that its influence as a coverage website and community stretches further than the influence of its pro players. In any case, obviously the two identities are intertwined and overlap to a certain extent.

Moving on (finally) to my point: as a very important, influential coverage hub focusing on what is currently pro gaming's most prevalent community, you can't be censoring players' names. I don't want to jump the gun and start waving around the "journalistic integrity" card prematurely, but I think it's pretty significant. Sure, TL isn't ESPN (yet), and sure, this is a forum-embedded community news piece updated by a very dedicated TL community member (for which I am grateful), but those - to me - are no excuse for throwing high standards of unbiased journalism to the side. It doesn't matter whether this is a forum post or a front-page news piece: you can't be censoring players' names or clan names just because they beat a community favorite.

Unfortunately, this pattern isn't necessarily restricted to this particular thread. There is a very minor (albeit certainly noticeable) trend on TL of posters only ensuring that Liquid pro players have their clan name mentioned - I.E. HuK is always referred to in TL coverage as Liquid`HuK, whereas SeleCt, for example, has always been just "SeleCt" and never "Dignitas.SeleCt" (at least as far as I've seen). This seems to vary based on the player and the community's familiarity with said player - IdrA, for example, is always referred to be the TL coverage folks as "EGIdrA" (we at EG are thankful for this) - but it is certainly a consistent trend. TL players are always referred to as TL players, but players from other pro teams don't necessarily always have their team name attached to their alias.

This is, of course, certainly *not* a case of intentional bias, and I'm not insinuating that it is in any way (I recently met Nazgul and several other TL executives at Blizzcon, and they held themselves with the utmost integrity and professionalism). At the end of the day, like many in this thread have pointed out, this is TL's home territory, and those covering competitions here ensure, first and foremost, that they point out what's going on with TL pro players. However, with that being said, sometimes intent is irrelevant (or close to it) when discussing matters of this matter - I.E., is neglecting to put in the care/effort to refer to SeleCt (for example) as Dignitas.SeleCt really any better than intentionally leaving out the team name? Maybe marginally better... but maybe not at all.

To summarize this already too-long post, I think it's really important for everyone in this community to remember that TL, while still a team website, is definitively the SC2 coverage hub of the English-speaking world. And any kind of journalistic bias here, whether intentional or unintentional, whether major or extremely minor (as minor as censoring a player's name because he beat HuK today), whether coming from an official TL coverage staff member or a dedicated community member not officially affiliated with TL, is extremely, extremely problematic. With this website getting the amount of traffic and attention that it does get (and should get), the coverage here needs to be held to high standards of journalistic integrity.

And at the end of the day, sure, this is TL's home base, and favoring TL's pro players in coverage posts - if it is desired to do so - may be TL's right... but doing something just because you have the power to ("just because you can") is really a very poor justification for doing anything.

(Thanks to those of you who actually read all of this)

-A




Thank you for your input.
Writerundefeated thunderdome champion 。゚+.(o´・ω・`o)+.゚。イィ!! :+:+: @lubdrop
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 09:53:39
November 16 2010 09:48 GMT
#4417
On November 16 2010 18:45 EGalex wrote:
very long post


It was a joke based on one of Hot_Bid's comments.

They already undid the censoring.


LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
November 16 2010 09:48 GMT
#4418
On November 16 2010 18:44 butch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 18:42 LittleeD wrote:
On November 16 2010 18:37 butch wrote:
Lyn qualifies o/


Source?

http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=2333003

bless = lyn


Thanks, couldnt fine the link : )
LYN FIGHTING!!! Awesome to see
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cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
November 16 2010 09:50 GMT
#4419
On November 16 2010 18:46 estee wrote:
C1 Final Round:
choyafOu v ST.Ssoja
Undecided v GoldenfOu
OptimusPrime v LovePrime
IMMvp v Undecided

C2 Final Round:
jAMWeRRa v 토샤드
Undecided v SlayerS_'BoxeR'
Undecided v sanZenith
CutefOu v 빅쏭WeRRa


Thanks for the update. Slayersboxer fighting.
Slayers Forever! Rip. :( - Not the eSports organizer, that's CableStarcraft.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
November 16 2010 09:50 GMT
#4420
yeah HotBid was like "ILL DELETE AYAS TLPD IF HE BEATS HUK" and motbob just rolled with it until it was no longer funny
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