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CidO
United States695 Posts
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
On December 21 2010 02:16 CidO wrote: I'm not discrediting Haypro brat_ok or demuslim, especially demuslim, he is a beast. The american players that are remaining, no ill will towards the others who have played already, because they are well above my skill ceiling, are the best of the american players on the team IMO. I would put any of left Europeans at the same level or higher than their American counterparts bar Idra, and Jinro/Ret on the same level as Idra. Also we have got our dark horse - BratOK who has been under radar lately, I have very strong feeling he is gona rock so I would love him playing Idra All thats subjective ofc. | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On December 21 2010 02:16 CidO wrote: I'm not discrediting Haypro brat_ok or demuslim, especially demuslim, he is a beast. The american players that are remaining, no ill will towards the others who have played already, because they are well above my skill ceiling, are the best of the american players on the team IMO. I wouldn't say that slush is better than the other players on the team (he also lost 0-3 to qxc yesterday). But with Idra, Huk and Tyler you might be right. I don't know what to expect from the players in Korea (Ret, Haypro, Jinro, Idra, Select and Huk), but I think that Demuslim and BratOk could win against Tyler and Slush. | ||
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
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CidO
United States695 Posts
On December 21 2010 02:29 vdale wrote: I wouldn't say that slush is better than the other players on the team (he also lost 0-3 to qxc yesterday). But with Idra, Huk and Tyler you might be right. I don't know what to expect from the players in Korea (Ret, Haypro, Jinro, Idra, Select and Huk), but I think that Demuslim and BratOk could win against Tyler and Slush. qxc beat a lot of people yesterday 3-0. In another game that would be called "He's on fire"  . Tyler is good. Very good. I think we can all agree on the idea that the remaining games should be highly entertaining | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
EU 7-4 NA final score would be my prediction | ||
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Getz
United States559 Posts
On December 21 2010 02:54 CidO wrote: qxc beat a lot of people yesterday 3-0. In another game that would be called "He's on fire" . Tyler is good. Very good. I think we can all agree on the idea that the remaining games should be highly entertaining And yet when he faced idra he got slammed 0-3. qxc is very good I agree, but those guys training in korea are on a completely different level. | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On December 21 2010 03:14 Getz wrote: And yet when he faced idra he got slammed 0-3. qxc is very good I agree, but those guys training in korea are on a completely different level. qxc also lost 1-4 against dimaga two weeks ago and dimaga didn't choose all maps like idra. Maybe qxc simply doesn't perform well against zergs outside of America. | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On December 21 2010 03:14 Getz wrote: And yet when he faced idra he got slammed 0-3. qxc is very good I agree, but those guys training in korea are on a completely different level. ya on all zerg maps. | ||
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tosS.ita
Italy523 Posts
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CidO
United States695 Posts
On December 21 2010 03:14 Getz wrote: And yet when he faced idra he got slammed 0-3. qxc is very good I agree, but those guys training in korea are on a completely different level. I'm sorry, but that is just not true. There are some European players that I think would make waves in the Korean scene and there are a few North Americans who will once they get a bit more experience. Just like the European play style is different from America, so is American/European play style from Korean. I can promise you on a TvZ I wouldn't ever think about bunker rushing a zerg 4 games in a row if it didn't work the first second or third time. That happened in a GSL semi Final. That is unheard of outside of Korea, but it's normal there apparently. I see the best players having the most variety and adjustment to strats. If one works great, if it works again great, but if you are on the losing side of repeat same strats or lost because of the repeat same strats then something needs to change. It was Jinro, who if i remember correctly, at MLG Dallas did not repeat builds in a series till the finals. Jinro, MC & at the moment Nestea for the "Heroes", one obviously isn't from Korea, and one (Nestea) I'd replace with a more experienced Ret or on a good day idra. | ||
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ch0c0b0fr34k
United States452 Posts
I think his drop-in-base, attack-expansion strategy is incredibly difficult to both pull and hold off. When he uses that strategy I think to myself, "Wow, can ANYONE hold that off properly?" Then again, other than that specific strategy qxc is just 'solid', not 'exceptional'. If people study his dropship play I don't think he can really challenge players at a high level. However, people don't seem to be wary of his playstyle. I think qxc goes into against against high level players thinking that he can't use dropships and such as much because they know how he plays, and that reduces his effectiveness. Against Idra on Scrap Station, who was definitely prepared for any two-pronged attacks, he did manage to get off an excellent drop in the base which essentially pulled every unit back into the base to deal with his drop, but waited too long to attack the gold. If he waits a little less (it seems to me he waits until he sees enemy units attacking his dropship before moving out with the main force), I think it can be much more effective, even against players who are wary of his playstyle. | ||
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Ryusei-R1
United States2106 Posts
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ItsMeDomLee
Canada2732 Posts
On December 21 2010 08:29 CidO wrote: I'm sorry, but that is just not true. There are some European players that I think would make waves in the Korean scene and there are a few North Americans who will once they get a bit more experience. Just like the European play style is different from America, so is American/European play style from Korean. I can promise you on a TvZ I wouldn't ever think about bunker rushing a zerg 4 games in a row if it didn't work the first second or third time. That happened in a GSL semi Final. That is unheard of outside of Korea, but it's normal there apparently. I see the best players having the most variety and adjustment to strats. If one works great, if it works again great, but if you are on the losing side of repeat same strats or lost because of the repeat same strats then something needs to change. It was Jinro, who if i remember correctly, at MLG Dallas did not repeat builds in a series till the finals. Jinro, MC & at the moment Nestea for the "Heroes", one obviously isn't from Korea, and one (Nestea) I'd replace with a more experienced Ret or on a good day idra. Yes Ret who barely qualified for Code A will undoubtedly be the best Zerg player in the world. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 21 2010 12:33 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Yes Ret who barely qualified for Code A will undoubtedly be the best Zerg player in the world. He only tried for the GSL once, and qualified and made it to the ro32 on his first trie in the hardest one to get in. Sorry to say your post is ignorant because he barely qualified for code A really means nothing. (no I am not saying Ret is the best zerg I don't think he is but I don't think Nestea is either). can't wait to watch Idra/Jinro/Tyler play ^^ | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On December 21 2010 09:07 Ryusei-R1 wrote: I really hope that they will make Idra play Jinro just because I don't want to see Idra's macro game wasted on a ZvZ against Haypro or Ret. I'd prefer Tyler to play Haypro or Ret instead. This but I heard Jinro refused to play IdrA for this (just a rumor mind you). Could be because he's saving up elements of surprise for the Code S match against him. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On December 21 2010 14:17 blade55555 wrote: He only tried for the GSL once, and qualified and made it to the ro32 on his first trie in the hardest one to get in. Sorry to say your post is ignorant because he barely qualified for code A really means nothing. (no I am not saying Ret is the best zerg I don't think he is but I don't think Nestea is either). can't wait to watch Idra/Jinro/Tyler play ^^ I agree, NesTea isn't the best zerg, he is second only to fruitdealer. Nestea is much superior to both ret and idra, in almost all aspects of play. Maybe ret, as you say, with more experience, can improve his game a lot, but I doubt he'll get to nestea level. | ||
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
On December 21 2010 12:33 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Yes Ret who barely qualified for Code A will undoubtedly be the best Zerg player in the world. Ret has only been playing SC2 for like 3 months now. He's Top 200 on KR and NA with like a 75% win ratio. The dude is an absolute animal, you can never count him out. He was one of the top 3 foreigners ever during BW. Give him another 3 months and he will be S class and rolling over kids at GSL. On topic: Brat_OK is by far the scariest player left for EU (due to his style, imo), I really hope we can see him vs. IdrA. The only recently replay of him I've seen was the ret replay and he made ret look like a child while he multitasked like 5 independent drops at once. Truly amazing play, my favorite Terran. I also saw him use BC's against KiWiKaKi's Collosi on his stream a while back. Can't wait to watch him play whoever. | ||
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Olmer
Poland320 Posts
On December 21 2010 15:25 Omigawa wrote: Ret has only been playing SC2 for like 3 months now. He's Top 200 on KR and NA with like a 75% win ratio. The dude is an absolute animal, you can never count him out. He was one of the top 3 foreigners ever during BW. Give him another 3 months and he will be S class and rolling over kids at GSL. On topic: Brat_OK is by far the scariest player left for EU (due to his style, imo), I really hope we can see him vs. IdrA. The only recently replay of him I've seen was the ret replay and he made ret look like a child while he multitasked like 5 independent drops at once. Truly amazing play, my favorite Terran. I also saw him use BC's against KiWiKaKi's Collosi on his stream a while back. Can't wait to watch him play whoever. And the other two were, let me guess, IdrA and NonY? What do you smoke and where do you get it? | ||
EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
On December 21 2010 15:56 Olmer wrote: And the other two were, let me guess, IdrA and NonY? What do you smoke and where do you get it? Don't forget about grrr, elky, legionnaire etc during the BW days (: | ||
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