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Avius
Profile Joined October 2007
Iraq1796 Posts
November 07 2010 21:10 GMT
#4041
Killing SCVs in a PvT isn't as significant as you might think.
aka. Samael
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
November 07 2010 21:10 GMT
#4042
On November 08 2010 06:09 Firereaver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 06:04 Ryzu wrote:
Thread spiraling into mass whining. Another quality LR thread.

Its inevitable. Immaturity abounds without mod interference..

You're joking right? You think mods should stop a perfectly valid discussion? Good lord, stop asking to have your hand held.
Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
November 07 2010 21:10 GMT
#4043
On November 08 2010 06:10 HolydaKing wrote:
:O TT1 killing a shitton of SCV, i think he's far ahead now.


And then two mules come down and balance the incomes out.
If you don't like it, you can quit.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
November 07 2010 21:11 GMT
#4044
On November 08 2010 06:08 raidmaster wrote:
4 gay allin incoming. God I really don't like TT1.

It's not all-in it's a contain to expand behind. People like to call everything all-in now-a-days.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
November 07 2010 21:11 GMT
#4045
TT1 is so clever, really like that play.
zex66
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada651 Posts
November 07 2010 21:11 GMT
#4046
On November 08 2010 06:10 Iodem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 06:10 HolydaKing wrote:
:O TT1 killing a shitton of SCV, i think he's far ahead now.


And then two mules come down and balance the incomes out.


1 less expansion though..
analogkensho
Profile Joined June 2003
United States358 Posts
November 07 2010 21:11 GMT
#4047
On November 08 2010 06:07 I_Love_Bacon wrote:

I honestly don't have a horse in either race and don't have a large feeling. But both sides make sense, and the outcry about it blows my mind. Hell, at the first MLG there was even pages and pages of people crying that it was a double elimination tournament. People will complain about anything.


I think the point is that the double elim system is frustrating for a lot of people. Round robin group play style tournaments seem to have less issues, but are completely impractical for this style of event.

I think the complaints about the double elim system are all completely viable, but there aren't really any good solutions. It's an imperfect system that you're stuck with as a compromise for having more players and a short time frame.
Ryzu
Profile Joined September 2010
United States369 Posts
November 07 2010 21:11 GMT
#4048
On November 08 2010 06:11 Logros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 06:08 raidmaster wrote:
4 gay allin incoming. God I really don't like TT1.

It's not all-in it's a contain to expand behind. People like to call everything all-in now-a-days.


Same way they use "cheese".
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 21:13:55
November 07 2010 21:12 GMT
#4049
On November 08 2010 06:07 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
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On November 08 2010 06:01 Numy wrote:
On November 08 2010 06:00 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Even the wording of their poll is wrong. The extended series rule is 100% fair... whether or not they want to use it is a different story. But there's certainly nothing more fair/unfair about it than without the extended series rule.


How is it 100% fair? Please explain your reasoning. As I view it , it is very unfair for any player that does not face the same opponent in LB as in WB. I'm sure everyone would love to have extra chances.


It's fair because it applies to everybody in the tournament as is easy to understand an enforce. Whether you think it should be applied is a different argument.

Neither solution gives 100% happiness, but both are fair.

Extended series: Avoids problems from a final series going 2-3 and the person with 2 wins advancing over the person with 3 wins.

Non-Extended: Says fairness is derived from equality stemming from a reset of past results.

If we ignore all past results then that would mean for the sake of consistency you'd have to remove the winner bracket's champion having an advantage over the loser's bracket, no? If not, why draw the line there and not simply for beating an earlier opponent? Why does that logic apply there but not later?

I honestly don't have a horse in either race and don't have a large feeling. But both sides make sense, and the outcry about it blows my mind. Hell, at the first MLG there was even pages and pages of people crying that it was a double elimination tournament. People will complain about anything.


Well the standard Double elim is quite simple to understand. You lose 2 bo3s are you are out. That's it. It's what has been used for years and well frankly makes the most sense.

With an extended series it means that the one individual has to lose 3 bo3s where as an individual that does not get lucky enough to have an extended series can only lose 2. This to me sees less fair then the simple system of lose 2 and you are out.

Regardless of your score with an individual I don't see how having to lose more games is really fair for competition. I don't see a need to change the double elim system that has been used for years and worked for years. It just seems like a overly complex way to be unique.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 21:12:35
November 07 2010 21:12 GMT
#4050
On November 08 2010 06:07 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 06:01 Numy wrote:
On November 08 2010 06:00 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Even the wording of their poll is wrong. The extended series rule is 100% fair... whether or not they want to use it is a different story. But there's certainly nothing more fair/unfair about it than without the extended series rule.


How is it 100% fair? Please explain your reasoning. As I view it , it is very unfair for any player that does not face the same opponent in LB as in WB. I'm sure everyone would love to have extra chances.

If we ignore all past results then that would mean for the sake of consistency you'd have to remove the winner bracket's champion having an advantage over the loser's bracket, no?

No because the person in the winner's bracket has never been eliminated by another player, two people in the loser's bracket have both already been eliminated once by someone else. If one such player was eliminated by his opponent previously in the winner's bracket then it's like he's actually playing from the loser's-loser's bracket where he has to beat his opponent (in the same bracket as he is) twice.

In the grand final the two players are in different brackets so it makes sense the winner's bracket player has an advantage, in the loser's bracket both players are in the exact same bracket, yet someone still has to eliminate his opponent twice as if he was in a third super-lower bracket.
zyglrox
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1168 Posts
November 07 2010 21:12 GMT
#4051
On November 08 2010 06:11 Logros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 06:08 raidmaster wrote:
4 gay allin incoming. God I really don't like TT1.

It's not all-in it's a contain to expand behind. People like to call everything all-in now-a-days.



i know right, it must be all in he built an expo =|....
champagne for my real friends, and real pain for my sham friends.
Firereaver
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
India1701 Posts
November 07 2010 21:12 GMT
#4052
Lovely defence against the 4gay! Gosh PRotoss in this torney.. Just lulz. 'Cept for Tyler, HuK, Socke and maybe KiwiKaki.
"They drone drone drone , me win" - JangMinChul(Iron/oGsMC)
debasers
Profile Joined August 2010
737 Posts
November 07 2010 21:12 GMT
#4053
The reason why I don't like the extended series is because when different sets of games happens at different times, the mental state and metagame involved can change a LOT, and I really think that what is going on at the moment that is important.
eAzydaman
Profile Joined May 2010
83 Posts
November 07 2010 21:12 GMT
#4054
This game is so over.....
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
November 07 2010 21:12 GMT
#4055
Painuser making banshees to try to even things up a bit. Probably won't work.
Wayem
Profile Joined May 2010
France455 Posts
November 07 2010 21:13 GMT
#4056
Knock, knock knocking on Painuser's door...
"who needs micro when you can have more stuff ?" -day9
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
November 07 2010 21:13 GMT
#4057
On November 08 2010 06:09 unindel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 06:07 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On November 08 2010 06:01 Numy wrote:
On November 08 2010 06:00 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Even the wording of their poll is wrong. The extended series rule is 100% fair... whether or not they want to use it is a different story. But there's certainly nothing more fair/unfair about it than without the extended series rule.


How is it 100% fair? Please explain your reasoning. As I view it , it is very unfair for any player that does not face the same opponent in LB as in WB. I'm sure everyone would love to have extra chances.

If we ignore all past results then that would mean for the sake of consistency you'd have to remove the winner bracket's champion having an advantage over the loser's bracket, no? If not, why draw the line there and not simply for beating an earlier opponent? Why does that logic apply there but not later?


The difference there is that the player from the WB has never been eliminated from the tournament, whereas the LB has been eliminated once. In order to be taken out of a double elimination tournament, you should be eliminated twice.


Then why play double elimination? Why not make it single elimination to remove all problems that stem from these arguments? Their system punishes losers. Lost to somebody earlier? Punishment, better step your game up. Find yourself in the losers bracket? Punishment, better step your game up. MLG likes to favor winners.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
killerkoala
Profile Joined October 2010
518 Posts
November 07 2010 21:13 GMT
#4058
On November 08 2010 06:10 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 06:09 Firereaver wrote:
On November 08 2010 06:04 Ryzu wrote:
Thread spiraling into mass whining. Another quality LR thread.

Its inevitable. Immaturity abounds without mod interference..

You're joking right? You think mods should stop a perfectly valid discussion? Good lord, stop asking to have your hand held.


This not a LIVE DEBATE thread. It is LIVE REPORT.
Panda Bear guy is PISSED
x-Catalyst
Profile Joined August 2010
United States921 Posts
November 07 2010 21:13 GMT
#4059
On November 08 2010 06:10 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 06:09 Firereaver wrote:
On November 08 2010 06:04 Ryzu wrote:
Thread spiraling into mass whining. Another quality LR thread.

Its inevitable. Immaturity abounds without mod interference..

You're joking right? You think mods should stop a perfectly valid discussion? Good lord, stop asking to have your hand held.

The point is that this is a live report thread. Not a thread dedicated to discussing rules and whatnot. If people want to have a valid discussion/whinefest, they should move it to another thread.
Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
November 07 2010 21:13 GMT
#4060
Ahh they missed the banshee being spotted by the pylon for so long.
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