EPTMLG Dallas Day 3 - Page 203
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Avius
Iraq1796 Posts
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:09 Firereaver wrote: Its inevitable. Immaturity abounds without mod interference.. You're joking right? You think mods should stop a perfectly valid discussion? Good lord, stop asking to have your hand held. | ||
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Iodem
United States1173 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:10 HolydaKing wrote: :O TT1 killing a shitton of SCV, i think he's far ahead now. And then two mules come down and balance the incomes out. | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:08 raidmaster wrote: 4 gay allin incoming. God I really don't like TT1. It's not all-in it's a contain to expand behind. People like to call everything all-in now-a-days. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
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zex66
Canada651 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:10 Iodem wrote: And then two mules come down and balance the incomes out. 1 less expansion though.. | ||
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analogkensho
United States358 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:07 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I honestly don't have a horse in either race and don't have a large feeling. But both sides make sense, and the outcry about it blows my mind. Hell, at the first MLG there was even pages and pages of people crying that it was a double elimination tournament. People will complain about anything. I think the point is that the double elim system is frustrating for a lot of people. Round robin group play style tournaments seem to have less issues, but are completely impractical for this style of event. I think the complaints about the double elim system are all completely viable, but there aren't really any good solutions. It's an imperfect system that you're stuck with as a compromise for having more players and a short time frame. | ||
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Ryzu
United States369 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:11 Logros wrote: It's not all-in it's a contain to expand behind. People like to call everything all-in now-a-days. Same way they use "cheese". | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:07 I_Love_Bacon wrote: It's fair because it applies to everybody in the tournament as is easy to understand an enforce. Whether you think it should be applied is a different argument. Neither solution gives 100% happiness, but both are fair. Extended series: Avoids problems from a final series going 2-3 and the person with 2 wins advancing over the person with 3 wins. Non-Extended: Says fairness is derived from equality stemming from a reset of past results. If we ignore all past results then that would mean for the sake of consistency you'd have to remove the winner bracket's champion having an advantage over the loser's bracket, no? If not, why draw the line there and not simply for beating an earlier opponent? Why does that logic apply there but not later? I honestly don't have a horse in either race and don't have a large feeling. But both sides make sense, and the outcry about it blows my mind. Hell, at the first MLG there was even pages and pages of people crying that it was a double elimination tournament. People will complain about anything. Well the standard Double elim is quite simple to understand. You lose 2 bo3s are you are out. That's it. It's what has been used for years and well frankly makes the most sense. With an extended series it means that the one individual has to lose 3 bo3s where as an individual that does not get lucky enough to have an extended series can only lose 2. This to me sees less fair then the simple system of lose 2 and you are out. Regardless of your score with an individual I don't see how having to lose more games is really fair for competition. I don't see a need to change the double elim system that has been used for years and worked for years. It just seems like a overly complex way to be unique. | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:07 I_Love_Bacon wrote: If we ignore all past results then that would mean for the sake of consistency you'd have to remove the winner bracket's champion having an advantage over the loser's bracket, no? No because the person in the winner's bracket has never been eliminated by another player, two people in the loser's bracket have both already been eliminated once by someone else. If one such player was eliminated by his opponent previously in the winner's bracket then it's like he's actually playing from the loser's-loser's bracket where he has to beat his opponent (in the same bracket as he is) twice. In the grand final the two players are in different brackets so it makes sense the winner's bracket player has an advantage, in the loser's bracket both players are in the exact same bracket, yet someone still has to eliminate his opponent twice as if he was in a third super-lower bracket. | ||
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zyglrox
United States1168 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:11 Logros wrote: It's not all-in it's a contain to expand behind. People like to call everything all-in now-a-days. i know right, it must be all in he built an expo =|.... | ||
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Firereaver
India1701 Posts
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debasers
737 Posts
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eAzydaman
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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Wayem
France455 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:09 unindel wrote: The difference there is that the player from the WB has never been eliminated from the tournament, whereas the LB has been eliminated once. In order to be taken out of a double elimination tournament, you should be eliminated twice. Then why play double elimination? Why not make it single elimination to remove all problems that stem from these arguments? Their system punishes losers. Lost to somebody earlier? Punishment, better step your game up. Find yourself in the losers bracket? Punishment, better step your game up. MLG likes to favor winners. | ||
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killerkoala
518 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:10 Serpico wrote: You're joking right? You think mods should stop a perfectly valid discussion? Good lord, stop asking to have your hand held. This not a LIVE DEBATE thread. It is LIVE REPORT. | ||
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x-Catalyst
United States921 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:10 Serpico wrote: You're joking right? You think mods should stop a perfectly valid discussion? Good lord, stop asking to have your hand held. The point is that this is a live report thread. Not a thread dedicated to discussing rules and whatnot. If people want to have a valid discussion/whinefest, they should move it to another thread. | ||
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Weasel-
Canada1556 Posts
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