Greetings all! Saechiis and I will be taking hold of the reins and making sure this thing gets done. I am proud to announce the Ro16, with an updated bracket we're finally ready to rumble. Without further adieu, I bring you the Ro16 of the Global Gamers Invitational
Ro8 Qualifiers: "The Handsome nerd" T-shirt of choice
Pimpest Play: $150 and one "The Handsome nerd" T-shirt of choice
Casters: two specific casters will recieve one "The Handsome nerd" T-shirt of choice Tournament organizers: Me and saechiis are gonna each get one shirt considering how much work we put into this with no profit, it seems fair to me
Sponsors:
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On October 04 2010 18:13 Pandain wrote: Man I'm rehyped for this. I can't wait to see how Sen is doing, whether WhiteRa can comeback, if Dimaga's still in his mini slump, and just so much.
Dimaga seems to do well again, judging by the incredible games vs SeleCt in yesterday's ZOTAC Cup final.
Happy to see this rolling forward, cant wait to get some confirmed dates and times for the matches, really hoping for some great matches and will watch for sure.
7 Americans, 7 Europeans, 2 Asians =P Qualifier bracket was awful but an awesome job to Capoch for destroying a completely rigged section. Tbh i hate these brackets too, it really is set up soo awful but i guess that isnt necessarily amyones fault in particular. Can't wait to see the semis and finals of this. I hope CellaWeRRa and Sen do well!! Also rooting for Capoch as the wildcard!
On October 05 2010 02:06 starcraftsam wrote: Very cool, nice to see theres some good prize money being handed out considering many make a living playing SC2. Should be an entertaining tournament.
On October 05 2010 02:06 starcraftsam wrote: Very cool, nice to see theres some good prize money being handed out considering many make a living playing SC2. Should be an entertaining tournament.
*Plug deleted*
Please don't plug -_-'
Yeah every one of his posts have that .
So many good matches I'm excited as hell.
MorroW vs. Jinro: This match is insane. I lol'd when I saw it, not because it's bad, it's just that scary of a match up.
Capoch vs. IdrA: If there's a way to beat IdrA, it's restlessness pressure to throw off his expansion timing. That's Capoch. I got to imagine IdrA will be the favorite for sure tho!
QXC vs. Nony: Crying shame Pheonix's will be broke when this match happens. Still Nony is Nony, so it should be a close fight either way. Can't rule out QXC, he did beat ITR in KOTB.
TT1 vs. TLO: Should be a sick match. People who pressure TLO early are often when he puts on the jaw dropping matches. Pretty pumped for this!
On October 05 2010 02:06 starcraftsam wrote: Very cool, nice to see theres some good prize money being handed out considering many make a living playing SC2. Should be an entertaining tournament.
MorroW vs. Jinro: This match is insane. I lol'd when I saw it, not because it's bad, it's just that scary of a match up.
Capoch vs. IdrA: If there's a way to beat IdrA, it's restlessness pressure to throw off his expansion timing. That's Capoch. I got to imagine IdrA will be the favorite for sure tho!
QXC vs. Nony: Crying shame Pheonix's will be broke when this match happens. Still Nony is Nony, so it should be a close fight either way. Can't rule out QXC, he did beat ITR in KOTB.
TT1 vs. TLO: Should be a sick match. People who pressure TLO early are often when he puts on the jaw dropping matches. Pretty pumped for this!
QXC vs Tyler was played before the Phoenix breaking patch
On October 05 2010 05:04 blade55555 wrote: lol poor capoch don't think 4 gates going to beat Idra 2-3 games in a row. Is it bo5 or bo3?
I also can't wait for sen vs strelok omg that will be awesome as Sen's zerg is just plain out Imba :D
Also TLO and TTone already played I saw in the thread I won't spoil the results.
lol, It would be just incredible if a guy that rarely has time to play and who has his prime in RTS games several years ago can beat Idra, who plays all day long, Do you still resent the easy way in which Capoch beat you in the first round?
On October 05 2010 05:04 blade55555 wrote: lol poor capoch don't think 4 gates going to beat Idra 2-3 games in a row. Is it bo5 or bo3?
I also can't wait for sen vs strelok omg that will be awesome as Sen's zerg is just plain out Imba :D
Also TLO and TTone already played I saw in the thread I won't spoil the results.
lol, It would be just incredible if a guy that rarely has time to play and who has his prime in RTS games several years ago can beat Idra, who plays all day long, Do you still resent the easy way in which Capoch beat you in the first round?
lol has nothing to do with it. Just saying its all he does? Don't need to be so angry about the truth when its all he does in every showmatch/video I have seen of him. The one time he didn't he got steam rolled. Not saying anything about it just saying its what he'll do and Idra will be ready for it I imagine. Whatever works but Idra rapes 4 gate so hard so yeah lol dunno why your so mad about the truth ^^
On October 05 2010 13:00 Xeris wrote: Half of the Ro16 will be casted Saturday at 2pm EST (11am PST | 23 CET for Euros) by Gretorp. What can you guys see:
* Sen vs Strelok * Qxc vs Tyler * White-Ra vs CellaWerra * MorroW vs Jinro
Oh baby I'm going to be asleep for the first set of games I bet should make Sen vs Strelok the third set to be casted <3.
On October 05 2010 13:00 Xeris wrote: Half of the Ro16 will be casted Saturday at 2pm EST (11am PST | 23 CET for Euros) by Gretorp. What can you guys see:
* Sen vs Strelok * Qxc vs Tyler * White-Ra vs CellaWerra * MorroW vs Jinro
On October 06 2010 01:44 TT1 wrote: i was always under the presumption that gretorp was going to cocast with iccuptv
Was not relayed to me, maybe I am misunderstanding the situation. BUt if thats the case then AWESOME, I've been trying to work Gretorp into our schedule for like weeks now!!!
Yay I'm so glad this is happening. I'm stoked for morrow v jinro, I hate tvt but I love watching it.
Too many amazing players to choose from, but I'm rooting for qxc and jinro. They were two of my favorites in beta but I haven't seen enough of them lately. And of course Dario is so very magical to watch, TLO HWAITING
On October 10 2010 03:11 Telcontar wrote: i get the feeling that andre knows very little about this matchup.... that or maybe he's just not wording his knowledge properly.
Yeah I noticed that. He seems to be fumbling his words a lot. Maybe he's nervous?
On October 10 2010 03:11 Telcontar wrote: i get the feeling that andre knows very little about this matchup.... that or maybe he's just not wording his knowledge properly.
Yeah I noticed that. He seems to be fumbling his words a lot. Maybe he's nervous?
Gretorp often does that. He often forgets unit names and basic stuff, but his casting is top notch. IMO he is the best caster with great insights (day9 a close second). He may not have casted that many pvts, but his game knowledge allows him to extrapolate his own experiences and provide insightful commentary.
Sad that this coincides with IEM, but hopefully esl won't start on time as usual.
On October 10 2010 03:23 motherrussia wrote: I love Gretorp's casting. It seems to me that he does know what he's talking about.
oh dont get me wrong, his general SC2 knowledge is very good and of course he has all Terran matchups down to an art. i simply think he's quite unfamiliar with all the other matchups. perfectly understandable since he's more of a progamer than a procaster.
I think I saw Cella trying to do the mineral boosting trick, so it must have been quite a few weeks ago. Also, not feeling all these one-base plays by White-ra, even if it is working.
On October 10 2010 03:28 Alphaes wrote: I think I saw Cella trying to do the mineral boosting trick, so it must have been quite a few weeks ago. Also, not feeling all these one-base plays by White-ra, even if it is working.
this thread was made only 5 days ago, so i don't think that's too likely
maybe cellawerra doesnt know its fixed or he does it anyway to warm up his fingers instead of just spammimg
His words get stumbled together a bit once in a blue moon, but I think that's due to his brain working faster than his mouth can move (which is a very good thing when you consider the opposite). I think Gretorp has the potential to become one of the great starcraft 2 casters if he chooses to go down that path.
On October 10 2010 03:47 SiguR wrote: Gretorp's commentating is great.
His words get stumbled together a bit once in a blue moon, but I think that's due to his brain working faster than his mouth can move (which is a very good thing when you consider the opposite). I think Gretorp has the potential to become one of the great starcraft 2 casters if he chooses to go down that path.
Also,
Nony Fighting!
I think he's great. He has a few funny mannerisms like saying some variation of "going down" about 20 times per game or using fancy language to explain very simple concepts though. :p
On October 10 2010 03:56 rushz0rz wrote: Needs moar High Templar! Feedback just rapes those Thors.
there was no way tyler could've switched to HTs effectively. also they're not that great against thors in the first place if you dont have enough support units.
oh and did tyler forget to get range for his colossi?
On October 10 2010 03:56 rushz0rz wrote: Needs moar High Templar! Feedback just rapes those Thors.
there was no way tyler could've switched to HTs effectively. also they're not that great against thors in the first place if you dont have enough support units.
oh and did tyler forget to get range for his colossi?
He was researching it, but since it wasn't chronoboosted, it didn't finish until his colossus died.
On October 10 2010 04:00 TaKemE wrote: Why aint Gretorp showing the sponsor names but MSI?
Good question. The sponsors were promised overlays for the Rd of 16 and beyond cause of their patience with this tournament. And no those aren't the sponsors on that banner, is the Fnatic MSI sponsors .......
On October 10 2010 04:00 TaKemE wrote: Why aint Gretorp showing the sponsor names but MSI?
Good question. The sponsors were promised overlays for the Rd of 16 and beyond cause of their patience with this tournament. And no those aren't the sponsors on that banner, is the Fnatic MSI sponsors .......
Mistakes happen I guess....
Well thats a huge misstake after what those guys have already been through.
On October 10 2010 04:00 TaKemE wrote: Why aint Gretorp showing the sponsor names but MSI?
Good question. The sponsors were promised overlays for the Rd of 16 and beyond cause of their patience with this tournament. And no those aren't the sponsors on that banner, is the Fnatic MSI sponsors .......
Mistakes happen I guess....
Well thats a huge misstake after what those guys have already been through.
Agreed 100%, and really unfair to them. Be rest assured we will be using overlays and be using our very sexy intro video we made of this. We have already casted over 100 games of this tournament and the sponsors love what we do for them.
How's the tourney going tho? I'm watching IEM. Any results?
On October 10 2010 04:00 TaKemE wrote: Why aint Gretorp showing the sponsor names but MSI?
Good question. The sponsors were promised overlays for the Rd of 16 and beyond cause of their patience with this tournament. And no those aren't the sponsors on that banner, is the Fnatic MSI sponsors .......
Mistakes happen I guess....
Well thats a huge misstake after what those guys have already been through.
Agreed 100%, and really unfair to them. Be rest assured we will be using overlays and be using our very sexy intro video we made of this. We have already casted over 100 games of this tournament and the sponsors love what we do for them.
How's the tourney going tho? I'm watching IEM. Any results?
On October 10 2010 04:00 TaKemE wrote: Why aint Gretorp showing the sponsor names but MSI?
Good question. The sponsors were promised overlays for the Rd of 16 and beyond cause of their patience with this tournament. And no those aren't the sponsors on that banner, is the Fnatic MSI sponsors .......
Mistakes happen I guess....
Well thats a huge misstake after what those guys have already been through.
Agreed 100%, and really unfair to them. Be rest assured we will be using overlays and be using our very sexy intro video we made of this. We have already casted over 100 games of this tournament and the sponsors love what we do for them.
How's the tourney going tho? I'm watching IEM. Any results?
On October 10 2010 04:00 TaKemE wrote: Why aint Gretorp showing the sponsor names but MSI?
Good question. The sponsors were promised overlays for the Rd of 16 and beyond cause of their patience with this tournament. And no those aren't the sponsors on that banner, is the Fnatic MSI sponsors .......
Mistakes happen I guess....
Well thats a huge misstake after what those guys have already been through.
Agreed 100%, and really unfair to them. Be rest assured we will be using overlays and be using our very sexy intro video we made of this. We have already casted over 100 games of this tournament and the sponsors love what we do for them.
How's the tourney going tho? I'm watching IEM. Any results?
On October 10 2010 04:00 TaKemE wrote: Why aint Gretorp showing the sponsor names but MSI?
Good question. The sponsors were promised overlays for the Rd of 16 and beyond cause of their patience with this tournament. And no those aren't the sponsors on that banner, is the Fnatic MSI sponsors .......
Mistakes happen I guess....
Well thats a huge misstake after what those guys have already been through.
Agreed 100%, and really unfair to them. Be rest assured we will be using overlays and be using our very sexy intro video we made of this. We have already casted over 100 games of this tournament and the sponsors love what we do for them.
How's the tourney going tho? I'm watching IEM. Any results?
On October 10 2010 04:00 TaKemE wrote: Why aint Gretorp showing the sponsor names but MSI?
Good question. The sponsors were promised overlays for the Rd of 16 and beyond cause of their patience with this tournament. And no those aren't the sponsors on that banner, is the Fnatic MSI sponsors .......
Mistakes happen I guess....
Well thats a huge misstake after what those guys have already been through.
Agreed 100%, and really unfair to them. Be rest assured we will be using overlays and be using our very sexy intro video we made of this. We have already casted over 100 games of this tournament and the sponsors love what we do for them.
How's the tourney going tho? I'm watching IEM. Any results?
On October 10 2010 04:16 lasto wrote: Hmm, I didn't know that fnatic sponsor this. i thought it was Ifixit and some other sponsors that did.
They didn't sponsor it.......ifixit, E-Sports United, and The Handsome Nerd are the sponsors. Fnatic MSI has absolutely nothing to do with this.
iccup is also casting some games for this tournament right? or was that just for the qualifying section? anways if you do, i guess you guys can make up for it by mentioning them quite frequently.
On October 10 2010 04:16 lasto wrote: Hmm, I didn't know that fnatic sponsor this. i thought it was Ifixit and some other sponsors that did.
They didn't sponsor it.......ifixit, E-Sports United, and The Handsome Nerd are the sponsors. Fnatic MSI has absolutely nothing to do with this.
iccup is also casting some games for this tournament right? or was that just for the qualifying section? anways if you do, i guess you guys can make up for it by mentioning them quite frequently.
We were supposed to cover ALL of the Round of 16 being we casted like 100 games of this tournament. Unfortunately there was some mis-communication so we are only covering half of Round of 16. We SHOULD be covering ALL the rest of the games though, as we are the only people in this tournament that did our jobs 100% from Day 1.
We always make sure the sponsors are happy, and we are good about plugs.
On October 10 2010 04:16 lasto wrote: Hmm, I didn't know that fnatic sponsor this. i thought it was Ifixit and some other sponsors that did.
They didn't sponsor it.......ifixit, E-Sports United, and The Handsome Nerd are the sponsors. Fnatic MSI has absolutely nothing to do with this.
iccup is also casting some games for this tournament right? or was that just for the qualifying section? anways if you do, i guess you guys can make up for it by mentioning them quite frequently.
We were supposed to cover ALL of the Round of 16 being we casted like 100 games of this tournament. Unfortunately there was some mis-communication so we are only covering half of Round of 16. We SHOULD be covering ALL the rest of the games though, as we are the only people in this tournament that did our jobs 100% from Day 1.
We always make sure the sponsors are happy, and we are good about plugs.
ahh very glad to hear it. you guys did a splendid job with the qualifying rounds and im really looking forward to your casts.
On October 10 2010 04:16 lasto wrote: Hmm, I didn't know that fnatic sponsor this. i thought it was Ifixit and some other sponsors that did.
They didn't sponsor it.......ifixit, E-Sports United, and The Handsome Nerd are the sponsors. Fnatic MSI has absolutely nothing to do with this.
iccup is also casting some games for this tournament right? or was that just for the qualifying section? anways if you do, i guess you guys can make up for it by mentioning them quite frequently.
We were supposed to cover ALL of the Round of 16 being we casted like 100 games of this tournament. Unfortunately there was some mis-communication so we are only covering half of Round of 16. We SHOULD be covering ALL the rest of the games though, as we are the only people in this tournament that did our jobs 100% from Day 1.
We always make sure the sponsors are happy, and we are good about plugs.
ahh very glad to hear it. you guys did a splendid job with the qualifying rounds and im really looking forward to your casts.
p.s i hope makh gets to cast some games.
Makh will be casting with Raelcun tomorrow and will be casting the whole rest of the tournament with him!!!!
On October 10 2010 04:16 lasto wrote: Hmm, I didn't know that fnatic sponsor this. i thought it was Ifixit and some other sponsors that did.
They didn't sponsor it.......ifixit, E-Sports United, and The Handsome Nerd are the sponsors. Fnatic MSI has absolutely nothing to do with this.
iccup is also casting some games for this tournament right? or was that just for the qualifying section? anways if you do, i guess you guys can make up for it by mentioning them quite frequently.
We were supposed to cover ALL of the Round of 16 being we casted like 100 games of this tournament. Unfortunately there was some mis-communication so we are only covering half of Round of 16. We SHOULD be covering ALL the rest of the games though, as we are the only people in this tournament that did our jobs 100% from Day 1.
We always make sure the sponsors are happy, and we are good about plugs.
ahh very glad to hear it. you guys did a splendid job with the qualifying rounds and im really looking forward to your casts.
p.s i hope makh gets to cast some games.
Correct, ICCUP TV will be on board for the rest of the event!
On October 10 2010 04:16 lasto wrote: Hmm, I didn't know that fnatic sponsor this. i thought it was Ifixit and some other sponsors that did.
They didn't sponsor it.......ifixit, E-Sports United, and The Handsome Nerd are the sponsors. Fnatic MSI has absolutely nothing to do with this.
iccup is also casting some games for this tournament right? or was that just for the qualifying section? anways if you do, i guess you guys can make up for it by mentioning them quite frequently.
We were supposed to cover ALL of the Round of 16 being we casted like 100 games of this tournament. Unfortunately there was some mis-communication so we are only covering half of Round of 16. We SHOULD be covering ALL the rest of the games though, as we are the only people in this tournament that did our jobs 100% from Day 1.
We always make sure the sponsors are happy, and we are good about plugs.
ahh very glad to hear it. you guys did a splendid job with the qualifying rounds and im really looking forward to your casts.
p.s i hope makh gets to cast some games.
Makh will be casting with Raelcun tomorrow and will be casting the whole rest of the tournament with him!!!!
SWEET! two of my favourite casters. hehe thanks guys.
On October 10 2010 05:20 SiguR wrote: I really don't enjoy MorroW's playstyle. I didnt see the entire series but every game I saw he just went mass marine and pushed with scvs.
So the fast expand was just "meh" for you? If anything Jinro was the boring one even though he did try something different in the last game.
On October 10 2010 05:20 SiguR wrote: I really don't enjoy MorroW's playstyle. I didnt see the entire series but every game I saw he just went mass marine and pushed with scvs.
Why should he change his bo if it's crushing his opponent? I don't understand this way of thinking in general.
I gotta admit I am a MorroW fanboy...his TvT is pretty sweet
really really wanted to see Sen though, easily my fav zerg behind Cool, always has an interesting and unique play style and haven't seen him in many tournies lately at all
On October 10 2010 05:31 SiguR wrote: All I said was that I did not enjoy those builds as a spectator, not that he should change his play.
In retrospect, I should probably write such things in a diary and not on these boards, lol.
I understand what you mean from a spectators point of view, but as a competitor I'd try everything to win a game as confident as possible.
And you would wrongly assume that the audience will continue watching you. However, the audience will get bored pretty soon and switch to other entertainments and the sponsors will follow them immediately.
Anyway, it is up to the governing body (Blizzard) to make the necessary changes to promote attractive play.
On October 10 2010 11:47 xtfftc wrote: Unfortunatelly it's still hard to keep track with this tournament... Correct me if I'm wrong, the ro8 will be + Show Spoiler +
TLO vs Idra, Morrow vs qxc, Strelok vs (?), White-Ra vs Dimaga
?
Also, are the VODs going to be uploaded randomly on YouTube like before?
I don't mean to sound harsh, it's just that I really want to watch this tournament - and I'm pretty sure the organisers want me to watch it as well.
We will be casting all the matches on iCCup TV and will be posting about it here. Should all be in the upcoming events thing on the TL calendar too.
On October 10 2010 11:47 xtfftc wrote: Unfortunatelly it's still hard to keep track with this tournament... Correct me if I'm wrong, the ro8 will be + Show Spoiler +
TLO vs Idra, Morrow vs qxc, Strelok vs (?), White-Ra vs Dimaga
?
Also, are the VODs going to be uploaded randomly on YouTube like before?
I don't mean to sound harsh, it's just that I really want to watch this tournament - and I'm pretty sure the organisers want me to watch it as well.
On October 10 2010 05:31 SiguR wrote: All I said was that I did not enjoy those builds as a spectator, not that he should change his play.
In retrospect, I should probably write such things in a diary and not on these boards, lol.
I understand what you mean from a spectators point of view, but as a competitor I'd try everything to win a game as confident as possible.
And you would wrongly assume that the audience will continue watching you. However, the audience will get bored pretty soon and switch to other entertainments and the sponsors will follow them immediately.
Anyway, it is up to the governing body (Blizzard) to make the necessary changes to promote attractive play.
if u took 2 mins of ur time and read the OP post ud understand everything
On October 11 2010 05:20 sdrawkcab_ wrote: Are there any VODs from day 1? Sorry if I have missed it if it has already been posted, couldn't see any info in the OP
pretty much asking the same. Also, did sen play? Don't see results for him but it says he was supposed to play on saturday.
On October 11 2010 07:13 ste0731 wrote: Why starting with huk? is the front page not the order?
No it's not the order. So HuK vs. Stalife is first.
Anyway you can cover replay screen when swapping? Quite clearly gave away how many games there is between huk/stalife and Tt1 and TLO. Ruins game 3 and game 4 for us by knowing the winners :x
On October 11 2010 07:13 ste0731 wrote: Why starting with huk? is the front page not the order?
No it's not the order. So HuK vs. Stalife is first.
Anyway you can cover replay screen when swapping? Quite clearly gave away how many games there is between huk/stalife and Tt1 and TLO. Ruins game 3 and game 4 for us by knowing the winners :x
On October 11 2010 07:13 ste0731 wrote: Why starting with huk? is the front page not the order?
No it's not the order. So HuK vs. Stalife is first.
Anyway you can cover replay screen when swapping? Quite clearly gave away how many games there is between huk/stalife and Tt1 and TLO. Ruins game 3 and game 4 for us by knowing the winners :x
All replays are labeled spoiler free.
Huk vs stalife G1 Huk vs stalife G2 Huk vs stalife G3 Huk vs stalife G4 Huk vs stalife G5 ? Unless you've been super clever and put 2 fake replays in :D Then its obvious stalife wins the next 2.
Either way, great work so far. Think uni may be ringing you and complaining for my abscence tomorrow when i'm up till 5am watching this :x
On October 11 2010 07:13 ste0731 wrote: Why starting with huk? is the front page not the order?
No it's not the order. So HuK vs. Stalife is first.
Anyway you can cover replay screen when swapping? Quite clearly gave away how many games there is between huk/stalife and Tt1 and TLO. Ruins game 3 and game 4 for us by knowing the winners :x
All replays are labeled spoiler free.
Huk vs stalife G1 Huk vs stalife G2 Huk vs stalife G3 Huk vs stalife G4 Huk vs stalife G5 ? Unless you've been super clever and put 2 fake replays in :D Then its obvious stalife wins the next 2.
Either way, great work so far. Think uni may be ringing you and complaining for my abscence tomorrow when i'm up till 5am watching this :x
Yes I label replays in spoiler free form. This is not my first rodeo . So no matter if the series is 5 games or 3 you will not know ahead of time.
Wow incrediably intersting play from Dimaga, no gas for like 5 mins or something, just relying on queens and spine crawlers. So far, it seems its working.
On October 11 2010 07:44 Pandain wrote: Wow incrediably intersting play from Dimaga, no gas for like 5 mins or something, just relying on queens and spine crawlers. So far, it seems its working.
What exactly did he do in the beginning?
He went for a hatch first but got drone blocked FOREEEEVVVVERRR.
On October 11 2010 07:45 0neder wrote: Tyler will be so awesome once the metagame settles a bit since he relies to heavily on strong versatile build orders.
How someone can rely too much on strong versatile build orders?
Stream quality is great, although it seems to be stuttering for me now and then - might be lag in the replay though, not entirely sure. Also : yay for ZvZ, quite like that match-up and first match between Dimaga and Darkforce was good fun
On October 11 2010 08:13 Xax wrote: Anyone else think that Makh is such a professional caster with great articulation and knowledge? He and Raelcun are a great team in my opinion!
They complement each other really well!
I agree, he did SUCH a good job on the qualifiers and is doing great for live casting! Him and Raelcun work SOOOO good together, and this is only Makh's second ever live cast!!! You will be seeing him more on iCCup TV's live events. He's however in law school so his time is somewhat limited.
On October 11 2010 08:14 ste0731 wrote: Is no idra game today? (sure i heard something similar being said? :x)
On October 11 2010 08:13 Xax wrote: Anyone else think that Makh is such a professional caster with great articulation and knowledge? He and Raelcun are a great team in my opinion!
On October 11 2010 08:26 jalstar wrote: Sorry about that, was just trying to provide feedback. Maybe put each game in a separate folder to avoid the timestamp issue?
I will have this issue fixed for next time. Just didn't think about that. If there are any other problems like this please PM me. Thanks!
I will have this issue fixed for next time. Just didn't think about that. If there are any other problems like this please PM me. Thanks!
Can't you guys just not show when you are selecting the game on stream (switch stream to camera or another screen)? That would make it so you don't have to worry about spoilers at all.
shame i spoiled this matchup for myself but nonethless i'm also really enjoying the casting. they are both so insightful and professional! well done guys and i know you'll keep it up.
Siege tanks really should be a staple for every terran, 3-0 TT1 I has a sad.
Did I miss Stalife and Huk? Did they not cast 2 of the series... I did kind of fall asleep at my desk for a bit there but it really didn't seem that long!!! >.> Oh god hours of my life are slipping from my conscious awareness, is this senility?
I really hope TLO just lost because his TvP is bad, TT1 is really good or because of lag or whatever.... But honestly, I'm kinda afraid this is going the same direction as what I feel to perceive from most players in the GSL:
They just never play decent when a GSL opponent could possibly see it. I looked around for some FruitSeller and Check replays like two weeks ago... Almost anything I could find freely available was far from what they showed in the GSL.
So somehow I got the feeling that they practice serious builds with their teams and whatever I get to see in public is strategy that is clearly inferior.
On October 11 2010 08:51 Google. wrote: I really hope TLO just lost because his TvP is bad, TT1 is really good or because of lag or whatever.... But honestly, I'm kinda afraid this is going the same direction as what I feel to perceive from most players in the GSL:
They just never play decent when a GSL opponent could possibly see it. I looked around for some FruitSeller and Check replays like two weeks ago... Almost anything I could find freely available was far from what they showed in the GSL.
So somehow I got the feeling that they practice serious builds with their teams and whatever I get to see in public is strategy that is clearly inferior.
IT really had nothing to do with lag. It was just BO loss in my opinion. I think he really underestimated the power of 1 base tech ; 0 But ye i see what ur saying. Maybe ur right
Nothing to do with lag? Have you even seen game 2? TLO microed like a gold-player in that game, so he either lost on purpose or the lag was really bad.
I've had the honor to play DF myself quiet a few times and i definitely think that he has an exeptional zvz, this showing just seemed like Dimaga's reputation got to his head.
This tournament is so cool but feels kinda scattered, like when the games are happening, what the brackets are and where the vods are, for which round it is. Fantastic casting and tempo and playing, but to say something negative a more "united public front" the next time (?) would be even better so we can get more hyped up.
On October 11 2010 22:28 leveller wrote: This tournament is so cool but feels kinda scattered, like when the games are happening, what the brackets are and where the vods are, for which round it is. Fantastic casting and tempo and playing, but to say something negative a more "united public front" the next time (?) would be even better so we can get more hyped up.
A lot of things went wrong with this tournament but Xeris is getting it whipped into shape! I promise the Rd of 8 and beyond will be EPIC!
On October 11 2010 22:28 leveller wrote: This tournament is so cool but feels kinda scattered, like when the games are happening, what the brackets are and where the vods are, for which round it is. Fantastic casting and tempo and playing, but to say something negative a more "united public front" the next time (?) would be even better so we can get more hyped up.
A lot of things went wrong with this tournament but Xeris is getting it whipped into shape! I promise the Rd of 8 and beyond will be EPIC!
It has Sen in it, that alone makes it a great tournament. Seriously though, thanks everyone who is working organizing this. It seems like it would be a fairly monumental task. I mean even IEM's SC2 finals got delayed.
I'm not sure how you guys are planning on scheduling it, but it would probably be a really good idea to get IdrA to play his games when he is in NA for MLG this weekend. It would suck to see him have to play with lag if he makes it to the finals.
wow a good caster with game knowledge yes! i gotta say having bad commentators that miss things and don't really have vast knowledge of the game really bring down the games for me because i usually just turn off the volume but then i can't even hear game sounds =/. but i can never do that to gretorp's handsome nerd voice!
I just got internet! The Ro8 games will be casted during the week (after MLG). Capoch is still downloading the KR client (him and IdrA agreed to play half the games on NA and half on KR to compromise the latency issue playing cross server, which was only fair).
On October 13 2010 01:12 Xeris wrote: I just got internet! The Ro8 games will be casted during the week (after MLG). Capoch is still downloading the KR client (him and IdrA agreed to play half the games on NA and half on KR to compromise the latency issue playing cross server, which was only fair).
Ugh that's gotta suck for both of them. Every other game one of them has a horrid connection
This coming thursday, get ready for Idra vs Capoch and Sen vs Strelok! The Ro16 concludes! Expect the Quarter final games to be cast after MLG during the week!
Stay tuned. ICCUP TV will of course be bringing you the matches ! Tune in Thursday at 8pm EST.
On October 13 2010 16:55 Xeris wrote: This coming thursday, get ready for Idra vs Capoch and Sen vs Strelok! The Ro16 concludes! Expect the Quarter final games to be cast after MLG during the week!
Stay tuned. ICCUP TV will of course be bringing you the matches ! Tune in Thursday at 8pm EST.
I'm really enjoying the polls on who would win the RO16 matches. So far, we've had one major upset according to those polls - I'm excited to see if Sen and Idra win as handily as everyone says they will!
You can watch VODS (most of them are up now) on the youtube account (www.youtube/user/iccuptv). They are recorded by me with the same sound. The camera perspective will be slightly different, but the content is essentially the same.
Seeing that IdrA will miss his match against Naniwa, i guess he won't be playing against Capoch - unless they have already played and the replays will be streamed.
i do a german cast then, a little delayed, so you get not spoilers from my viewers if you watch english. i'll do VoDs anmyways so i just tune in today to the same time.
@xeris: im sorry i dunno how to contact you except PM. demian knows. pm if smth is not cool.
Just wanted to remind everyone that we're covering the Sen v Strelok series tonight on iCCupTV. There's a link the original post, so be sure to catch it - 8PM EST/5PM PST
On October 15 2010 06:31 Makh wrote: Just wanted to remind everyone that we're covering the Sen v Strelok series tonight on iCCupTV. There's a link the original post, so be sure to catch it - 8PM EST/5PM PST
On October 15 2010 07:30 Makh wrote: Unfortunately, IdrA and Capoch did not finish their games, so we'll have to cast it later!
I was gonna come into this thread solely to say "I bet everybody $50 that Idra will not play this series tonight"
I'm guessing he is happier that way, since he knows that MLG players would try to find out his most recent build preferences and cheese him where he's vulnerable.
Fucking replay casting again. I thought it would be live now since you couldnt get idra to play today. Was getting really pumped to see Sen on new patch =[
On October 15 2010 09:04 Pekkz wrote: Fucking replay casting again. I thought it would be live now since you couldnt get idra to play today. Was getting really pumped to see Sen on new patch =[
I'm quite sure this is post patch. Then again I'm feeling like I haven't slept for a month so I might be imagining things. Sure looks like the roaches have more range though.
On October 15 2010 09:04 Pekkz wrote: Fucking replay casting again. I thought it would be live now since you couldnt get idra to play today. Was getting really pumped to see Sen on new patch =[
I'm quite sure this is post patch. Then again I'm feeling like I haven't slept for a month so I might be imagining things. Sure looks like the roaches have more range though.
haha yea i know sen makes 1.1 zerg look post 1.1.2!:D The games were actually played yesterday i believe.
Perhaps the TL calendar should of been updated to say pre 1.2 patch. Kinda bummed I that I didn't get to see Idra twice today. I understand that there were logistical issues but it still sucks. Oh well, looking forward to some good games at Mlg and GSL2.
This is twice now you have teased (had it in the schedule) with Idra playing on the day. I know the casters made it clear we wouldn't see it yet once we were tuned in, and it is a good tournament but if you guys false advertise one more time (whether it is your fault or not) I am sure alot of people will be frustrated and done with any global gamers tourneys in the future. Your casters and players are fine but the organization for this tourney is terrible; please don't advertise if you cannot deliver that really turns people off myself included.
On October 15 2010 10:09 Duravi wrote: This is twice now you have teased (had it in the schedule) with Idra playing on the day. I know the casters made it clear we wouldn't see it yet once we were tuned in, and it is a good tournament but if you guys false advertise one more time (whether it is your fault or not) I am sure alot of people will be frustrated and done with any global gamers tourneys in the future. Your casters and players are fine but the organization for this tourney is terrible; please don't advertise if you cannot deliver that really turns people off myself included.
You obviously weren't around for the initial rounds which took forever. If a match is scheduled and isn't played by the players then there isn't much the tourney admins can do. You are watching this tournament for free and it's your choice to watch, don't complain in that situation.
You obviously weren't around for the initial rounds which took forever. If a match is scheduled and isn't played by the players then there isn't much the tourney admins can do. You are watching this tournament for free and it's your choice to watch, don't complain in that situation.
We are watching it for free but the sponsors paid money to get viewers. I watch CBS for free too do you think that affects the professionalism of the organization? Lower viewer count results in less sponsors free or not. Also I understand if a match has not been played they obviously can't cast it, but don't put it in the event info that we will see that match, it is disingenuous.
On October 15 2010 10:09 Duravi wrote: This is twice now you have teased (had it in the schedule) with Idra playing on the day. I know the casters made it clear we wouldn't see it yet once we were tuned in, and it is a good tournament but if you guys false advertise one more time (whether it is your fault or not) I am sure alot of people will be frustrated and done with any global gamers tourneys in the future. Your casters and players are fine but the organization for this tourney is terrible; please don't advertise if you cannot deliver that really turns people off myself included.
I know that if you check the thread for the sc-source KOTH that was today, Idra was supposed to play but had to reschedule until next week because EG scheduled his trip into NY earlier than he had planned. My assumption is maybe this conflict affected this tourney, although I'm not sure as some of these are being cast by replay. Something to think about before whining, in any event.
Here are the VODs from the stream for Sen v Strelok (Makh is also uploading HQ YouTubes in addition that will be available @ http://www.youtube.com/iccuptv) - to avoid spoilers for anyone that is important to, regardless of how many games there are there are 5 links. Don't mouse over the links before you watch if that's important to you.
On October 18 2010 05:59 Xeris wrote: The quarter finals will be postponed until after blizzcon because half of the players will be attending and unable to play extraneous games !
What about the last game of Ro16? Will it be postponed as well?
Where are the VODS for the games casted by Gretorp?
This tourney is just so hard to follow. Obviously all the shit that happened in the previous iteration, but even this so called new and improved version that is going to be run so much better, its still hard as fuck to keep track of. With all the bitching and whining about the crappy job the previous guys were doing, I would have expected the new tourney organizers to be on top of the ball/have everything set up nicely to get rid of the stigma the first version had.
The OP should be updated with VODS of all previously played matches, I only see 4 games listed there, and its ridiculous to expect potential viewers to browse through the actual thread to find them, as the chance for spoilers and such are very high.
I hate to say it but fuck, Step your game up and do this shit right.
So what is going on with this tournament? Just waiting on Idra and Capoch to play their games? Or is there another delay with the whole thing? Anyways i'm looking forward to the quarters & onwards.
On October 20 2010 23:53 Telcontar wrote: So what is going on with this tournament? Just waiting on Idra and Capoch to play their games? Or is there another delay with the whole thing? Anyways i'm looking forward to the quarters & onwards.
the last update I posted was yesterday ... lol O_O;
relax,
Quarter final matches are being played, everything should be ready to be broadcast the week after Blizzcon
On October 29 2010 10:50 cuppatea wrote: Do you realise how severely you're hurting your viewer numbers by streaming these games at 4am CET on a weekday?
iCCup TV is a NA focused event stream wise. Our schedule is based on NA events unless we are covering an EU event. No matter what time we run it it will be a bad time for someone.
On October 29 2010 10:50 cuppatea wrote: Do you realise how severely you're hurting your viewer numbers by streaming these games at 4am CET on a weekday?
Although this is true, it's tough to get a time that works for EVERYONE. Also, this tournament has gone on long enough, it needs to be finished.
Would it be possible to get the OP updated a bit more frequently if possible? I've been following this thread pretty attentively and i still have no idea whats going on with idra/capoch. I know as of ten days ago they hadn't played yet, but what's going on now? Why haven't they played?
On October 29 2010 12:02 SiguR wrote: Would it be possible to get the OP updated a bit more frequently if possible? I've been following this thread pretty attentively and i still have no idea whats going on with idra/capoch. I know as of ten days ago they hadn't played yet, but what's going on now? Why haven't they played?
IdrA forfeited, not sure why.
AMAZING games by White-Ra, shows the ole boy is BACK BABY!
On October 29 2010 12:02 SiguR wrote: Would it be possible to get the OP updated a bit more frequently if possible? I've been following this thread pretty attentively and i still have no idea whats going on with idra/capoch. I know as of ten days ago they hadn't played yet, but what's going on now? Why haven't they played?
IdrA forfeited, not sure why.
AMAZING games by White-Ra, shows the ole boy is BACK BABY!
Thanks for the update
White-ra never left though :D. He was just too busy honeymooning to pwn newbies.
I'd just wanted to say that in time when most of the SC2 casters are fucking obnoxious to listen to, i found your casting/games to be quite entertaining. Genuine passion and theorycrafting while speaking eloquently and showing that you are having fun while doing everything above. Keep up the good work, fellas.
On October 29 2010 13:20 Usurper wrote: I'd just wanted to say that in time when most of the SC2 casters are fucking obnoxious to listen to, i found your casting/games to be quite entertaining. Genuine passion and theorycrafting while speaking eloquently and showing that you are having fun while doing everything above. Keep up the good work, fellas.
I have no idea what to say to that but thank you xD, I like working with Makh he's a cool guy and I've been working on trying to let my personality show a bit more recently. I tend to do long casts so I used to kind of drone on so I wouldn't lose my voice but I've trained my voice pretty well to hold up so hopefully I can continue to let you guys see a bit more of me. Because I really do get excited to watch super good games on Starcraft 2. Drug free, high on Starcraft man.
I've got the first half of the ro8 matches being processed. There are some unfortunate 'de-sync' problems that I just couldn't fix. Really good matches though!!
lol I hope Capoch won, it would be a surprise indeed, a guy who rarely has time to practice because of his job, and for what I have seen very far from his top micro skills in other games.
On November 04 2010 17:34 JollYRoGeR wrote: oh, i was a bit unclear there.. i mean that i wanna watch their previous games, how? good that you saved this event!
On the first page, there are vods of 4 recent matches. There are also other websites like SC2casts, SC2vod or just search around on youtube.
You can get both Sen(Z) v. HuK(P) and Dimaga(Z) v. WhiteRa(P)
on http://www.youtube.com/user/iCCupTV There are some very unfortunate sound sync issues on these two games, however. We recorded these live on Ustream, but because we run off replays, sometimes one computer runs faster than the other.
On November 04 2010 17:34 JollYRoGeR wrote: oh, i was a bit unclear there.. i mean that i wanna watch their previous games, how? good that you saved this event!
On the first page, there are vods of 4 recent matches. There are also other websites like SC2casts, SC2vod or just search around on youtube.
I'm basically looking for qxc vs tyler and morrow vs jinro. And I can't find it. Please provide a link or something helpful instead of a standard "google it" answer. If the threadmaker saw my question I bet he'd update the VOD-list. Cuz Xeris is active and have a lot of experience.
On November 04 2010 17:34 JollYRoGeR wrote: oh, i was a bit unclear there.. i mean that i wanna watch their previous games, how? good that you saved this event!
On the first page, there are vods of 4 recent matches. There are also other websites like SC2casts, SC2vod or just search around on youtube.
I'm basically looking for qxc vs tyler and morrow vs jinro. And I can't find it. Please provide a link or something helpful instead of a standard "google it" answer. If the threadmaker saw my question I bet he'd update the VOD-list. Cuz Xeris is active and have a lot of experience.
Sorry, I couldn't read your mind and knew exactly which matches that you were looking for. I just tried to be helpful. FWIW, the only match of morrow vs jinro I could find was
and it casted in German though, so I have no idea that that was the one. No luck on novy vs qxc though.
The stream is having far too many issues. For some reason it randomly stops and you have to refresh to view it. This has happened 4 times for me so far as well as other people. Now in the fifth game the center of my stream is laggy and blurry and it's more like a radio than a stream. I'm not seeing this on other streams, fix your stream iCCup because these small hiccups that I have to deal with every time I tune in (which are always blamed on uStream, which while sometimes this is obviously the case it is certainly not always) is getting frustrating. Missing the most exciting game apparently too. Ugh.
On November 05 2010 10:14 Alou wrote: The stream is having far too many issues. For some reason it randomly stops and you have to refresh to view it. This has happened 4 times for me so far as well as other people. Now in the fifth game the center of my stream is laggy and blurry and it's more like a radio than a stream. I'm not seeing this on other streams, fix your stream iCCup because these small hiccups that I have to deal with every time I tune in (which are always blamed on uStream, which while sometimes this is obviously the case it is certainly not always) is getting frustrating. Missing the most exciting game apparently too. Ugh.
Edit - Also go Capoch! WOOHOO!
Can you send that to Ustream? I've done literally every network fix possible I have a new router, I've bothered my internet company endlessly they've tested the lines I've run more speedtests than you can imagine and other internet diagnostics. I've switched broadcasting methods like 3 times at the suggestion of Ustream and yet the problem persists. I watch the data going in Flash media live encoder and the data is the same. It doesn't change but randomly the ustream just goes down, at this point I have no control over it all I can do is use the settings that work the most often and hope it behaves on any given day.
So basically you're telling me to fix it with no information on exactly how much effort I"ve put into fixing it nice.
haters gonna hate, I'd like to see all of you bashing capoch to play and get to the semi finals or quarter finals whatever hes at now using 4 gate.
Obviously he has great unit control, and he makes it work for him. Stop bashing on a solid player who has achieved more then most of you ever will (in e-sports)
On November 05 2010 10:31 TadH wrote: haters gonna hate, I'd like to see all of you bashing capoch to play and get to the semi finals or quarter finals whatever hes at now using 4 gate.
Obviously he has great unit control, and he makes it work for him. Stop bashing on a solid player who has achieved more then most of you ever will (in e-sports)
Haters gonna hate.
Um Ro16, he got a bye because Idra was doing something else. Ro8... well that's the current round.
On November 05 2010 10:14 Alou wrote: The stream is having far too many issues. For some reason it randomly stops and you have to refresh to view it. This has happened 4 times for me so far as well as other people. Now in the fifth game the center of my stream is laggy and blurry and it's more like a radio than a stream. I'm not seeing this on other streams, fix your stream iCCup because these small hiccups that I have to deal with every time I tune in (which are always blamed on uStream, which while sometimes this is obviously the case it is certainly not always) is getting frustrating. Missing the most exciting game apparently too. Ugh.
Edit - Also go Capoch! WOOHOO!
Can you send that to Ustream? I've done literally every network fix possible I have a new router, I've bothered my internet company endlessly they've tested the lines I've run more speedtests than you can imagine and other internet diagnostics. I've switched broadcasting methods like 3 times at the suggestion of Ustream and yet the problem persists. I watch the data going in Flash media live encoder and the data is the same. It doesn't change but randomly the ustream just goes down, at this point I have no control over it all I can do is use the settings that work the most often and hope it behaves on any given day.
So basically you're telling me to fix it with no information on exactly how much effort I"ve put into fixing it nice.
Sounds like it is time to ditch ustream... prolly can't afford anything better though.
Capoch beat Ensnare and Check (GSL RO8 contestants) with 4-gate lol, how does someone expect him to not do it again when it's obviously working for him? I'm hoping Blizzard does something about it, since 4-gate is so ridiculously good in all MU's. How can this rush not show in their data?
Yeah stream is over I attempted to put the stream back up so we could talk to the viewers and tell them whats going on etc etc but the stream literally would not go online. And after all the problems going on and since the games were over I gave up I'm going to be yet again contacting support... We couldn't even go live on the ustream.tv/iccup channel we had to use iccuptv2 for the last several days and now that's not working either...
On November 05 2010 10:39 Saechiis wrote: Capoch beat Ensnare and Check (GSL RO8 contestants) with 4-gate lol, how does someone expect him to not do it again when it's obviously working for him? I'm hoping Blizzard does something about it, since 4-gate is so ridiculously good in all MU's. How can this rush not show in their data?
How can GSL Ro8 players lose to 4 gate? Obviously Capoch must execute it very well, if he can beat Ro8 contestants. If beating Protosses could instawin vs. Terrans and Zergs with 4 Gate, you'd think there would be more Protosses around in the GSL round of 4...
On November 05 2010 10:41 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: Yeah stream is over I attempted to put the stream back up so we could talk to the viewers and tell them whats going on etc etc but the stream literally would not go online. And after all the problems going on and since the games were over I gave up I'm going to be yet again contacting support... We couldn't even go live on the ustream.tv/iccup channel we had to use iccuptv2 for the last several days and now that's not working either...
Rough, man. Thanks for trying and hope it gets fixed pronto.
On November 05 2010 10:39 Saechiis wrote: Capoch beat Ensnare and Check (GSL RO8 contestants) with 4-gate lol, how does someone expect him to not do it again when it's obviously working for him? I'm hoping Blizzard does something about it, since 4-gate is so ridiculously good in all MU's. How can this rush not show in their data?
How can GSL Ro8 players lose to 4 gate? Obviously Capoch must execute it very well, if he can beat Ro8 contestants. If beating Protosses could instawin vs. Terrans and Zergs with 4 Gate, you'd think there would be more Protosses around in the GSL round of 4...
Almost every 4gate ive seen in the GSL vs terran has worked, so I think players rarely do it because they are trying to keep a good reputation as a player who can win without cheese.
On November 05 2010 10:39 Saechiis wrote: Capoch beat Ensnare and Check (GSL RO8 contestants) with 4-gate lol, how does someone expect him to not do it again when it's obviously working for him? I'm hoping Blizzard does something about it, since 4-gate is so ridiculously good in all MU's. How can this rush not show in their data?
4 gate isn't over powered. I dunno bout pvp but zvp 4 gate is easy to hold off especially if you know its coming. I can understand Check/Ensnare losing to it only because they don't pay attention to the foreigner scene as much I guarantee it they have no idea who capoch is and what he does in all his games. Thats why they lost to it
Capoch beat both of them in GGi qualifiers, so yeah it happens. It's not like high level players don't lose to 4-gate anymore lol. IdrA didn't want to play Capoch on US servers since he needed good latency to hold it. SangHo eliminated TLO with 4-gate, it's just really hard to hold.
Sure... 4 gate can beat any player on any given day.. but so can 5 roach rush. You're idiotic if you think just because a strategy is strong that is has to be altered. Fact is, it's strong at low levels and increasing less popular as you get into higher levels. 3 gate robo will send it back, speedling spine crawler sends it back, roach/spine, roach/ling.. 3 rax, 1-1-1 with good bunker play..
Until you show me that Kenny fuckin' Powers lost to a 4 gate.. your just being an idiot.
VODs will be going up overnight and tomorrow. While our double recording method will cause audio sync problems on occasion, it does mean that we always have solid recordigs.
LOL its fun guys how u say that 4gate is cheese, then massing marines like foxer is cheese? massing colossus is cheese? doing 4 rax and 2 factorys is cheese? so much QQ on US
On November 12 2010 00:51 Alou wrote: Capoch fighting!! I hope he plays well vs MorroW. MorroW is still doing T in large events correct?
apparently not. He played z vs Sjow in last bigt brawl and said he is planning to play Z in today's IEM p.s.: you'd never thought u see capoch in the finals of a tournament this prestigious have you? kekeke
On November 12 2010 00:51 Alou wrote: Capoch fighting!! I hope he plays well vs MorroW. MorroW is still doing T in large events correct?
apparently not. He played z vs Sjow in last bigt brawl and said he is planning to play Z in today's IEM p.s.: you'd never thought u see capoch in the finals of a tournament this prestigious have you? kekeke
Capoch is a good player who earned his way to this point so yes? He got invited to Blizzcon too. Great player who deserves to be this far in the tournament. Excited to see him play vs MorroW.
On November 12 2010 00:51 Alou wrote: Capoch fighting!! I hope he plays well vs MorroW. MorroW is still doing T in large events correct?
apparently not. He played z vs Sjow in last bigt brawl and said he is planning to play Z in today's IEM p.s.: you'd never thought u see capoch in the finals of a tournament this prestigious have you? kekeke
Capoch is a good player who earned his way to this point so yes? He got invited to Blizzcon too. Great player who deserves to be this far in the tournament. Excited to see him play vs MorroW.
wtf yo this makes no sense. You want someone have expectations based on something that happens in teh future?
On November 13 2010 11:42 Jonvvv wrote: Did anyone catch the Morrow vs Tyler game? Did Morrow play zerg? What map did they play on?
it was TvP on meta. It puzzles me that people think that MorroW can take games at highest level playing Z. I guess people want to believe in fairy tales%)
what the fuck is going on lol. Capoch has to be the luckiest player to get Idra to forfei and Morrow 2 players who would guarantee beat him imo . Sad to hear another forfeit
On November 12 2010 00:51 Alou wrote: Capoch fighting!! I hope he plays well vs MorroW. MorroW is still doing T in large events correct?
apparently not. He played z vs Sjow in last bigt brawl and said he is planning to play Z in today's IEM p.s.: you'd never thought u see capoch in the finals of a tournament this prestigious have you? kekeke
Capoch is a good player who earned his way to this point so yes? He got invited to Blizzcon too. Great player who deserves to be this far in the tournament. Excited to see him play vs MorroW.
wtf yo this makes no sense. You want someone have expectations based on something that happens in teh future?
I said Capoch is a good player who earned his spot through the qualifiers from this tournament. He beatEnsnare (OGS), and Check (Prime) in the qualifiers to become one of the final players who got invited into this portion of the tournament. He was also one of the players invited by Blizzard to Blizzcon. He is a good player who can compete with everyone else in this tournament. I said nothing about the future other than I was excited to see him play vs Morrow in his next round match.
MorroW should be ban for any future tournament organized by Xeris as penalty. lol should get Liquid~Tyler to replace MorroW since they only played bo1 which Tyler lost seem reasonable replacement.
Here's my personal opinion on Capoch in an alternate form:
Capoch's strategy in games from the GGI
GGI Games
Capoch vs. CheckPrime G1: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G2: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G3: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Azz G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. Azz G2: 2 Gate Robo
Capoch vs. Blade: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Ensnare G1: 1 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush (Ensnare GG'd right as the warpgate research and additional gates were underway) Capoch vs. Ensnare G2: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. TT1 G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G2: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G3: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G4: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G5: 4 Warpgate Rush
I have only EVER litreally seen TWO GAMES of Capoch's (in ANY event) where he wins with a build other then 4 Warpgate (for the record I have only seen him not go 4 warpgate 5 times).
On November 12 2010 00:51 Alou wrote: Capoch fighting!! I hope he plays well vs MorroW. MorroW is still doing T in large events correct?
apparently not. He played z vs Sjow in last bigt brawl and said he is planning to play Z in today's IEM p.s.: you'd never thought u see capoch in the finals of a tournament this prestigious have you? kekeke
Capoch is a good player who earned his way to this point so yes? He got invited to Blizzcon too. Great player who deserves to be this far in the tournament. Excited to see him play vs MorroW.
wtf yo this makes no sense. You want someone have expectations based on something that happens in teh future?
I said Capoch is a good player who earned his spot through the qualifiers from this tournament. He beatEnsnare (OGS), and Check (Prime) in the qualifiers to become one of the final players who got invited into this portion of the tournament. He was also one of the players invited by Blizzard to Blizzcon. He is a good player who can compete with everyone else in this tournament. I said nothing about the future other than I was excited to see him play vs Morrow in his next round match.
That's unfortunate. Capoch vs MorroW would have been a great series.
i asked whether anyone expected this turn of events and you said you did because he got this far. Im real happy youre a fan but leave me out of your passive-agressive shizzle please.
On November 15 2010 15:03 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Here's my personal opinion on Capoch in an alternate form:
Capoch's strategy in games from the GGI
GGI Games
Capoch vs. CheckPrime G1: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G2: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G3: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Azz G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. Azz G2: 2 Gate Robo
Capoch vs. Blade: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Ensnare G1: 1 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush (Ensnare GG'd right as the warpgate research and additional gates were underway) Capoch vs. Ensnare G2: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. TT1 G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G2: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G3: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G4: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G5: 4 Warpgate Rush
I have only EVER litreally seen TWO GAMES of Capoch's (in ANY event) where he wins with a build other then 4 Warpgate (for the record I have only seen him not go 4 warpgate 5 times).
On November 15 2010 14:09 Xeris wrote: Tyler forfeitted after 1 game why would I put him back in? And yes, Morrow won't be participating in any tournament I host in the future.
Die Morrow give any explanation for his forfeit?
And yes the bo1 match between Tyler and Morrow was kind of disrespectful to the tournament by both players. Dont understand why this was allowed in the first place.
Not sure what you mean by 'allowed' ? I can't force players to do anything... if they don't want to play, they don't have to play. Obviously it sucks for fans and people who want to see the games, but whatever.
What the hell is happening? Tournament taking forever, rarely getting updated, players play bo1 for some weird reason, players forfeiting and/or getting banned for being "dumb..." Can this tournament become a bigger joke than it already is?
On November 15 2010 15:03 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Here's my personal opinion on Capoch in an alternate form:
Capoch's strategy in games from the GGI
GGI Games
Capoch vs. CheckPrime G1: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G2: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G3: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Azz G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. Azz G2: 2 Gate Robo
Capoch vs. Blade: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Ensnare G1: 1 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush (Ensnare GG'd right as the warpgate research and additional gates were underway) Capoch vs. Ensnare G2: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. TT1 G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G2: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G3: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G4: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G5: 4 Warpgate Rush
I have only EVER litreally seen TWO GAMES of Capoch's (in ANY event) where he wins with a build other then 4 Warpgate (for the record I have only seen him not go 4 warpgate 5 times).
Can you say one dimensional?
I have seen 1 game where he hasn't 4 gated and he got rolled. It is the only strategy he knows how to do wish I had known that when I played him back in june or whenever the qualifiers were .
I'm still sad to see all the forfeits but I know xeris you can't do anything about it :/
On November 15 2010 15:03 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Here's my personal opinion on Capoch in an alternate form:
Capoch's strategy in games from the GGI
GGI Games
Capoch vs. CheckPrime G1: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G2: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G3: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Azz G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. Azz G2: 2 Gate Robo
Capoch vs. Blade: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Ensnare G1: 1 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush (Ensnare GG'd right as the warpgate research and additional gates were underway) Capoch vs. Ensnare G2: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. TT1 G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G2: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G3: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G4: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G5: 4 Warpgate Rush
I have only EVER litreally seen TWO GAMES of Capoch's (in ANY event) where he wins with a build other then 4 Warpgate (for the record I have only seen him not go 4 warpgate 5 times).
Can you say one dimensional?
I have seen 1 game where he hasn't 4 gated and he got rolled. It is the only strategy he knows how to do wish I had known that when I played him back in june or whenever the qualifiers were .
I'm still sad to see all the forfeits but I know xeris you can't do anything about it :/
Even if you had known, he would have likely beaten you.
He's beaten much better players than you with 4 gate (no offense of course)
I just don't see why everyone is hating on him, it obviously works for him, why stop using it?
It's a strategy like any other, it has counters, use them?
On November 15 2010 15:03 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Here's my personal opinion on Capoch in an alternate form:
Capoch's strategy in games from the GGI
GGI Games
Capoch vs. CheckPrime G1: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G2: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G3: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Azz G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. Azz G2: 2 Gate Robo
Capoch vs. Blade: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Ensnare G1: 1 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush (Ensnare GG'd right as the warpgate research and additional gates were underway) Capoch vs. Ensnare G2: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. TT1 G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G2: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G3: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G4: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G5: 4 Warpgate Rush
I have only EVER litreally seen TWO GAMES of Capoch's (in ANY event) where he wins with a build other then 4 Warpgate (for the record I have only seen him not go 4 warpgate 5 times).
Can you say one dimensional?
That is a player or a game problem? If one strategy got you far in a tournament then it is a game problem, lol at Blade btw (you are that not so good player from AoE3? no offense but i want to know).
On November 15 2010 15:03 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Here's my personal opinion on Capoch in an alternate form:
Capoch's strategy in games from the GGI
GGI Games
Capoch vs. CheckPrime G1: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G2: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G3: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Azz G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. Azz G2: 2 Gate Robo
Capoch vs. Blade: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Ensnare G1: 1 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush (Ensnare GG'd right as the warpgate research and additional gates were underway) Capoch vs. Ensnare G2: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. TT1 G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G2: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G3: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G4: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G5: 4 Warpgate Rush
I have only EVER litreally seen TWO GAMES of Capoch's (in ANY event) where he wins with a build other then 4 Warpgate (for the record I have only seen him not go 4 warpgate 5 times).
Can you say one dimensional?
I heard there was this one guy in GSL that only went marines. He got pretty far with that if I remember correctly.
Regardless, it's going to be very exciting to see Sen play WhiteRa -- and of course to see how the winner fares against the 'unbeatable'(?) Capoch 4gate
On November 18 2010 04:52 Makh wrote: Regardless, it's going to be very exciting to see Sen play WhiteRa -- and of course to see how the winner fares against the 'unbeatable'(?) Capoch 4gate
Sen vs Whitera should be some very good games I can't wait :D
On November 12 2010 00:51 Alou wrote: Capoch fighting!! I hope he plays well vs MorroW. MorroW is still doing T in large events correct?
apparently not. He played z vs Sjow in last bigt brawl and said he is planning to play Z in today's IEM p.s.: you'd never thought u see capoch in the finals of a tournament this prestigious have you? kekeke
Capoch is a good player who earned his way to this point so yes? He got invited to Blizzcon too. Great player who deserves to be this far in the tournament. Excited to see him play vs MorroW.
wtf yo this makes no sense. You want someone have expectations based on something that happens in teh future?
I said Capoch is a good player who earned his spot through the qualifiers from this tournament. He beatEnsnare (OGS), and Check (Prime) in the qualifiers to become one of the final players who got invited into this portion of the tournament. He was also one of the players invited by Blizzard to Blizzcon. He is a good player who can compete with everyone else in this tournament. I said nothing about the future other than I was excited to see him play vs Morrow in his next round match.
That's unfortunate. Capoch vs MorroW would have been a great series.
HAHAHAHAHAAHHAA
Are you fucking serious?
Like ... seriously?
Capoch a good player? You should watch some of his games where he doesn't all in (which are quite rare tbh). The guy has NO game sense whatsoever. He doesn't have a game plan. He doesn't understand game theory or has developped even basic strategic thinking. He doesn't comprehend the concept of expanding, on how even mid-game (not gonna talk late-game lol) strategies are conceived and executed. He is terrible. His point/skill ratio is probably the WORST I've ever seen. He is mind-blowingly bad for how well known he is. There are players that have actual skill, they can sit and think about strategy, come up with new interesting build orders and know how to transition in and out of certain strategies, when to commit, how to control their army and when to scout. And then you have players that just stupidly take a build order and throw it at their opponent, to see what happens. Doesn't work? Try harder. Stil doesn't work? Well, 55% is good enough.
For example drewbie is also well known and he is pretty bad. But I'm not gonna trash drewbie because I can see some potential, like ... there's flaws in his gameplay he can fix. Capoch on the other hand.... There's nothing to fix, it's just straight up shit and abuse from the ground up. He has no skill to base a standard game on, that's the reason he perfects his stupid cheeses to steal away tournament money and prestige from players that actually have the potential to entertain us with their gameplay in the future.
Once people are going to figure out all the shitty cheeses and how to respond to them, we will finally not have to see good players taken out by cheesy trash all in players.
Don't get me wrong. I don't hate cheese. It's a part of the game, but having players that you KNOW will do some idiotic build because of their apparent lack of skill is just frustrating. I enjoy cheese when players that could as well play a 40 minute game, do it, because it brings refreshment, a sense of excitement an element of surprise to a series. With players like Capoch you just look at it and say "oh yeah that retarded abusive build again" It's designed to work against better players and I think he is in essence deteriorating the quality of games we get to watch. He takes value away from tournaments (like this one).
I hope he never gets invited to anything ever again and maybe, if he sits down and starts playing straight up, in a year he could be halfway decent, but as with what he shown so far, I have to say, it's a fucking shame.
You're welcome to refute the reasons I have outlined above on what compromises my opinion on him, however.
In your rant you are just attacking his play style. There's nothing wrong with one-base play if you feel that is what suits you the best. The fact is Capoch is a 2500 point Protoss with a solid win-loss ratio who earned his place in this tournament. If he had "zero game sense whatsoever" I don't think he would have gotten there. That attack was completely unnecessary and I suspect there are some personal issues between you two that the public doesn't know about.
You're welcome to refute the reasons I have outlined above on what compromises my opinion on him, however.
In your rant you are just attacking his play style. There's nothing wrong with one-base play if you feel that is what suits you the best. The fact is Capoch is a 2500 point Protoss with a solid win-loss ratio who earned his place in this tournament. If he had "zero game sense whatsoever" I don't think he would have gotten there. That attack was completely unnecessary and I suspect there are some personal issues between you two that the public doesn't know about.
I'm not going to continue the derailment of this thread by talking about the relationship between me and Capoch (HEE TURK ERR JURBS), I just wanted to publicly make a note of what I think about his playstyle, so people don't actually believe others that say he is good.
And I think he has done considerable damage by taking out Ensnare and Check, but hell, that's just like ... my opinion, man.
On November 15 2010 15:03 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Here's my personal opinion on Capoch in an alternate form:
Capoch's strategy in games from the GGI
GGI Games
Capoch vs. CheckPrime G1: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G2: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G3: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Azz G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. Azz G2: 2 Gate Robo
Capoch vs. Blade: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Ensnare G1: 1 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush (Ensnare GG'd right as the warpgate research and additional gates were underway) Capoch vs. Ensnare G2: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. TT1 G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G2: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G3: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G4: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G5: 4 Warpgate Rush
I have only EVER litreally seen TWO GAMES of Capoch's (in ANY event) where he wins with a build other then 4 Warpgate (for the record I have only seen him not go 4 warpgate 5 times).
Can you say one dimensional?
I have seen 1 game where he hasn't 4 gated and he got rolled. It is the only strategy he knows how to do wish I had known that when I played him back in june or whenever the qualifiers were .
I'm still sad to see all the forfeits but I know xeris you can't do anything about it :/
Even if you had known, he would have likely beaten you.
He's beaten much better players than you with 4 gate (no offense of course)
I just don't see why everyone is hating on him, it obviously works for him, why stop using it?
It's a strategy like any other, it has counters, use them?
I doubt it. As a zerg player whenever I know 100% fact that someones 4 gating its the easiest thing in the world too stop. I don't know about terran or pvp but in zvp if you know 100% absolute fact its coming its not hard to stop at all. (Also I have beaten more known better players then Capoch as well so that really doesn't mean anything lolol)
The reason everyone hates on him is because he only wins with 1 build. So when 1 player only 4 gates and thats all he knows how to do whats going to happen when that build becomes easiest thing to counter by all races? Do you still see capoch at the top? No when 4 gate dies for whatever reason whether everyone knows the counter or whatever Capoch is going to go back to being a nobody just like all the other 4 gate toss players.
If you really think about it its hard to respect a player who can only win with an all in build which is why he has alot of hate and even gets joked about by other casters when they see him play ("I predict a 4 gate"). I know he's your clan mate so you won't ever agree to this of course but that is why he gets all the hate.
lol, i dont even know who these haters are... but it would be good if you guys would focus your hate to something more productive..such as playing? i didnt know i was a "joke" of a player, but hey, i respect both opinions.. anyways, it was a good read and made me laugh a bit lol..
On November 12 2010 00:51 Alou wrote: Capoch fighting!! I hope he plays well vs MorroW. MorroW is still doing T in large events correct?
apparently not. He played z vs Sjow in last bigt brawl and said he is planning to play Z in today's IEM p.s.: you'd never thought u see capoch in the finals of a tournament this prestigious have you? kekeke
Capoch is a good player who earned his way to this point so yes? He got invited to Blizzcon too. Great player who deserves to be this far in the tournament. Excited to see him play vs MorroW.
wtf yo this makes no sense. You want someone have expectations based on something that happens in teh future?
I said Capoch is a good player who earned his spot through the qualifiers from this tournament. He beatEnsnare (OGS), and Check (Prime) in the qualifiers to become one of the final players who got invited into this portion of the tournament. He was also one of the players invited by Blizzard to Blizzcon. He is a good player who can compete with everyone else in this tournament. I said nothing about the future other than I was excited to see him play vs Morrow in his next round match.
On November 12 2010 00:51 Alou wrote: Capoch fighting!! I hope he plays well vs MorroW. MorroW is still doing T in large events correct?
apparently not. He played z vs Sjow in last bigt brawl and said he is planning to play Z in today's IEM p.s.: you'd never thought u see capoch in the finals of a tournament this prestigious have you? kekeke
Capoch is a good player who earned his way to this point so yes? He got invited to Blizzcon too. Great player who deserves to be this far in the tournament. Excited to see him play vs MorroW.
wtf yo this makes no sense. You want someone have expectations based on something that happens in teh future?
I said Capoch is a good player who earned his spot through the qualifiers from this tournament. He beatEnsnare (OGS), and Check (Prime) in the qualifiers to become one of the final players who got invited into this portion of the tournament. He was also one of the players invited by Blizzard to Blizzcon. He is a good player who can compete with everyone else in this tournament. I said nothing about the future other than I was excited to see him play vs Morrow in his next round match.
Yeah but when you see him play with better players on not on the Lain America server he has 57% http://www.sc2ranks.com/search/contains/us/capoch. Not bad though win % has nothing to do with how good a player is so dont' know why he brought that up lol.
Personally, I am very excited to see Capoch play in the finals of this tournament. It you watch the 5 games he plays against TTOne, you'll hear us discuss why Capoch favors this style. He came out of Dawn of War II, which relies almost solely on unit management and little to no base management. He's found a race and playstyle to match his strength - very solid micro.
I always want to point out that there is, in fact, a fair bit of diversity in Capoch's play. Granted, all of his strategies revolve around 4 gate pressure, but the way he leverages that build into winning varies. He often aggressively places multiple pylons in his opponent's base - and keeps building more during the intense micro battles. He also likes to grab Warp Prisms to drop far earlier than most players are prepared to handle. He also varies in the proportions of Zealots/Stalkers/sentries depending on the situation.
Capoch will be a very strong contender in the finals - and I very much look forward to casting those games.
The issue with this tourney is that, despite the solid prize money, it's fallen by the wayside in terms of attention. And I guess that just goes out to show the problem with lack of experience in the initial organizing, which was due to this being a "community tourney" that really should've taken place during Beta and not now that there's professional stuff like MLG, GSL, and IEM to compete with. The slow progression of the tournament and the lack of hype really put a damper on the potential impact. I'm not surprised a few of the players decided to be BM and not take things seriously.
Regardless, the Sen vs. White-Ra games should be a success given how "hot" these two players are right now and how old this friendly rivalry is (Sen always seems to meet White-Ra in tournaments). I assume they played before as now Sen is preparing for the GSL Ro64 in Korea, but either way, hope for interesting games!
Is life really so bad that you guys have to be so unbelievably outspoken with your negativity? It's immature, whether what you're saying is true or not. There's constructive criticism and game-play analysis, and then there's whining
I mean, really. You get to see white-ra play. How can you not be bursting with orgasmic euphoria at the very thought of more white-ra games?
On November 18 2010 08:30 Capoch wrote: lol, i dont even know who these haters are... but it would be good if you guys would focus your hate to something more productive..such as playing? i didnt know i was a "joke" of a player, but hey, i respect both opinions.. anyways, it was a good read and made me laugh a bit lol..
gl & hf
Haters are going to hate, plz Patricio keep beating people with the 4 gate style, it is so nice seeing people who are really noobs in any RTS game flame you, lol this is the most interesting thread of SC2 so far.
On November 15 2010 15:03 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Here's my personal opinion on Capoch in an alternate form:
Capoch's strategy in games from the GGI
GGI Games
Capoch vs. CheckPrime G1: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G2: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G3: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Azz G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. Azz G2: 2 Gate Robo
Capoch vs. Blade: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Ensnare G1: 1 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush (Ensnare GG'd right as the warpgate research and additional gates were underway) Capoch vs. Ensnare G2: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. TT1 G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G2: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G3: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G4: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G5: 4 Warpgate Rush
I have only EVER litreally seen TWO GAMES of Capoch's (in ANY event) where he wins with a build other then 4 Warpgate (for the record I have only seen him not go 4 warpgate 5 times).
Can you say one dimensional?
I heard there was this one guy in GSL that only went marines. He got pretty far with that if I remember correctly.
This post is just disgusting. Foxer is a brilliant strategist and innovator, comparing him to 4 gating is just ignorant.
On November 15 2010 15:03 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Here's my personal opinion on Capoch in an alternate form:
Capoch's strategy in games from the GGI
GGI Games
Capoch vs. CheckPrime G1: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G2: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G3: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Azz G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. Azz G2: 2 Gate Robo
Capoch vs. Blade: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Ensnare G1: 1 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush (Ensnare GG'd right as the warpgate research and additional gates were underway) Capoch vs. Ensnare G2: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. TT1 G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G2: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G3: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G4: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G5: 4 Warpgate Rush
I have only EVER litreally seen TWO GAMES of Capoch's (in ANY event) where he wins with a build other then 4 Warpgate (for the record I have only seen him not go 4 warpgate 5 times).
Can you say one dimensional?
I heard there was this one guy in GSL that only went marines. He got pretty far with that if I remember correctly.
You're going to tell me that Foxer went for the exact same opening build and transition every single game? lol....
On November 15 2010 15:03 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Here's my personal opinion on Capoch in an alternate form:
Capoch's strategy in games from the GGI
GGI Games
Capoch vs. CheckPrime G1: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G2: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G3: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Azz G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. Azz G2: 2 Gate Robo
Capoch vs. Blade: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Ensnare G1: 1 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush (Ensnare GG'd right as the warpgate research and additional gates were underway) Capoch vs. Ensnare G2: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. TT1 G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G2: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G3: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G4: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G5: 4 Warpgate Rush
I have only EVER litreally seen TWO GAMES of Capoch's (in ANY event) where he wins with a build other then 4 Warpgate (for the record I have only seen him not go 4 warpgate 5 times).
Can you say one dimensional?
That is a player or a game problem? If one strategy got you far in a tournament then it is a game problem, lol at Blade btw (you are that not so good player from AoE3? no offense but i want to know).
it's definitely a game problem. If 1 strategy can get you to a final of a major tournament, that game fails as a strategy. Counter Strike has more strategical variance then that.
4 gate is how to play Protoss, deal with it. Hopefully someone finds a more exciting way to Protoss but I'm not holding my breath, I switched to Terran instead.
On November 19 2010 10:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: 4 gate is how to play Protoss, deal with it. Hopefully someone finds a more exciting way to Protoss but I'm not holding my breath, I switched to Terran instead.
whitera says youre welcome for new revolutionary strategies.
On November 19 2010 05:24 SiguR wrote: Is life really so bad that you guys have to be so unbelievably outspoken with your negativity? It's immature, whether what you're saying is true or not. There's constructive criticism and game-play analysis, and then there's whining
I mean, really. You get to see white-ra play. How can you not be bursting with orgasmic euphoria at the very thought of more white-ra games?
It is no more immature than using phrases such as "bursting with orgasmic euphoria"; there's nothing immature about being put down by something. It'd be immature if he made slurs on Capoch's personality, if he started calling him random names for no reason, if he went on to personal (non-SC2-related) attacks.
As it is, he's expressing his (obviously rather low) opinion of Capoch's play style. There's nothing immature about that; just because you don't agree doesn't mean that everyone else is required by protocol to keep quiet. Is he being negative? Yeah. Is he being immature? Absolutely not.
On November 19 2010 05:24 SiguR wrote: Is life really so bad that you guys have to be so unbelievably outspoken with your negativity? It's immature, whether what you're saying is true or not. There's constructive criticism and game-play analysis, and then there's whining
I mean, really. You get to see white-ra play. How can you not be bursting with orgasmic euphoria at the very thought of more white-ra games?
It is no more immature than using phrases such as "bursting with orgasmic euphoria"; there's nothing immature about being put down by something. It'd be immature if he made slurs on Capoch's personality, if he started calling him random names for no reason, if he went on to personal (non-SC2-related) attacks.
As it is, he's expressing his (obviously rather low) opinion of Capoch's play style. There's nothing immature about that; just because you don't agree doesn't mean that everyone else is required by protocol to keep quiet. Is he being negative? Yeah. Is he being immature? Absolutely not.
I wasn't trying to start a debate on the definition of maturity, but we clearly have different interpretations of the word. My point was that a mature individual would not be as inclined to spout off paragraphs of hateful trash talk, because they would have the foresight to know that it would serve absolutely no purpose. It was not simply critical game-play analysis occurring. There are ways to express a low opinion of Capoch's play-style while still maintaining some level of tact and therefore preserving a pleasant, intellectual, and mature atmosphere.
On a more important note: It's good to see white-ra playing well.
Just a quick note: trying to figure out when they will play because Capoch is at the BGS lan right now and then White-Ra is leaving Monday for Dreamhack, but I will try to get this played before then, if not this tournament will be finished in the first week of December
Sen vs White-Ra VODS uploaded. Will get links to the other games asap. The Grand Final between Capoch and White-Ra will be played this week (after Dreamhack) !
ICCUP TV will be casting the Grand Final live! At long last, 2 months after taking over the tournament, being delayed by MLD DC, Blizzcon, MLG Dallas, and Dreamhack ... we're finally going to wrap this baby up.
Thanks everyone for bearing with me as I tried to right the ship of this tournament that had so much promise, hopefully I did an OK job of trying to make it at least a bit more interesting for people. HUGE thanks to ICCUP TV for sticking it out till the end and casting the matches and providing VOD links (check the main page!).
I will also be releasing the entire rep pack from the Ro16 to the Grand Final immediately after the conclusion of the tournament for everyone to DL.
Thanks again, and get ready for a great PvP series between White-Ra and Capoch
Wow WhiteRa had a proxy pylon in his base, typical Capoch 4gate came. But Ra did the impossible and defended it with beautiful micro. I was a little puzzled about the commentator congratulating Capoch on his micro while Ra was taking him apart. :D
Wow WhiteRa had a proxy pylon in his base, typical Capoch 4gate came. But Ra did the impossible and defended it with beautiful micro. I was a little puzzled about the commentator congratulating Capoch on his micro while Ra was taking him apart. :D
On December 06 2010 06:59 Zeon0 wrote: nice cannon rush :D
Ra should have suspected this when Capoch selected that map. Surely he didnt do it because he wanted a macro game. Still these cheese fests are kinda entertaining. At least a rush to colussus by both players is not much more interesting.
On December 06 2010 07:27 On_Slaught wrote: Out of curiosity, how many games in this tournament has capoch not cheesed in (assuming u count 4gate as cheese)?
Capoch's strategy in games from the GGI
GGI Games
Capoch vs. CheckPrime G1: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G2: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G3: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Azz G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. Azz G2: 2 Gate Robo
Capoch vs. Blade: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Ensnare G1: 1 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush (Ensnare GG'd right as the warpgate research and additional gates were underway) Capoch vs. Ensnare G2: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. TT1 G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G2: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G3: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G4: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G5: 4 Warpgate Rush
On December 06 2010 07:27 On_Slaught wrote: Out of curiosity, how many games in this tournament has capoch not cheesed in (assuming u count 4gate as cheese)?
Capoch's strategy in games from the GGI
GGI Games
Capoch vs. CheckPrime G1: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G2: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. CheckPrime G3: 2 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Azz G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. Azz G2: 2 Gate Robo
Capoch vs. Blade: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. Ensnare G1: 1 Gate Zealot Push into 4 Warpgate Rush (Ensnare GG'd right as the warpgate research and additional gates were underway) Capoch vs. Ensnare G2: 4 Warpgate Rush
Capoch vs. TT1 G1: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G2: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G3: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G4: 4 Warpgate Rush Capoch vs. TT1 G5: 4 Warpgate Rush
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
It's like ActionJesus on steroids. He knocked out some good players too..
God damn it white ra talking is the absolute highlight of the tournament. It's so awesome, never fails to make me cry like a teen girl just hitting puberty
I hope we have a recording of the interview - I didn't think to fraps it. It was great to chat with WhiteRa, and it was very refreshing to hear actual content in his answers instead of polite platitudes!
Would have been great to hear from Capoch too! That was a very intense series, and would have been nice to have heard from them both.
Edit: Just heard from Capoch, and it sounds like we will be able to hear from him after all (though sadly, not live). I'll try to release that with the youtube VODs in the next couple of days.
Great series, great tournament! Thanks again to Saechiis for organizing, thanks Xeris for pitching in at the right moment and iCCup for your awesome coverage!
Last but not least, all the people that donated back when this was a $100 tournament and really made this feel like a community event. And I did not forget iFixit (the scvs of the real world), esports united (sponsored by intel!) and thehandsomenerd.com (that entire line is stuck in my head like a bad song )
EPT![[image loading]](http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy258/Newguy007/ggbanner1-1.gif)
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TT1 vs ![[image loading]](http://play.fnatic.com/public/img/flags/de.gif)
TLO![[image loading]](http://play.fnatic.com/public/img/flags/ar.gif)
Capoch vs ![[image loading]](http://play.fnatic.com/public/img/flags/us.gif)
IdrA![[image loading]](http://play.fnatic.com/public/img/flags/se.gif)
Morrow vs ![[image loading]](http://play.fnatic.com/public/img/flags/tw.gif)
Sen vs ![[image loading]](http://play.fnatic.com/public/img/flags/ua.gif)
Strelok![[image loading]](http://play.fnatic.com/public/img/flags/kr.gif)
CellaWerra![[image loading]](http://www.sc2rep.com/images/protoss.gif)
HuK vs. ![[image loading]](http://www.sc2rep.com/images/terran.gif)
Stalife![[image loading]](http://www.sc2rep.com/images/zerg.gif)
Dimaga vs. 
![[image loading]](http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9173/ifixit.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://esunited.net/images/stories/tlbanners/tlnetlogo.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/6833/handsomenerd.png)
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MorroW vs. 
Capoch vs. 
IdrA: If there's a way to beat IdrA, it's restlessness pressure to throw off his expansion timing. That's Capoch. I got to imagine IdrA will be the favorite for sure tho!
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