=/ hopefully tonight's tvp will be more entertaining and a good learning experience. The third match from the last day was kinda....well majorly underwhelming especially after watching TLO masterfully play.
Alright, good day to be a Zerg player. I like GerrardPrime's style, hope he makes it through. Also, it is always nice to see an oGs Zerg-player play. I think I'll learn a thing or 2 for my ZvZ
How good is the NEX team? Don't think I've ever seen them play.
On September 13 2010 17:35 Pervect wrote: Super pumped to see NEXGenius play, he's quickly become one of my favorite players after watching some of his reps.
mee too - then again I was also really excited to see jangminchul and escjung......and both failed super-hard + Show Spoiler +
and Genuis also has to play a PvT and also against a pretty good opponent - I'm betting my sc2-key that if Genius loses the imba-posts will recur
On September 13 2010 17:59 mrgoochio wrote: Where is the free stream link on the gomtv.net page? Do you have to have an account to log in before you can watch the free stream?
On September 13 2010 18:03 [-]Ocelot[-] wrote: They are getting more official all the time. First sports jackets and now some banners. Woo movin' on up!!
Yeah the casting and production has really improved vastly since the first day. It's really nice to see how much hard work they are putting into making it enjoyable for everyone as well as professional
As I don't know the players I'll predict the Protosses to lose to the Terrans (in line with the rest of the tourney ^^), but I feel a strangely positive vibe on 2 zergs advancing!
1. Go to http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/live/ 2. Log in to your GOMTV account. You must do this now. 3. View Page Source 4. About 75% down the page source, you will see "<!-- Premium LIVE Start//-->" in green italics on the left. A little ways after that, you'll see the link. The one under the section "function LiveHQ()" is HQ. The one under the section "function Live()" is SQ. It will look like:
Additionally, ORLY on the TL.net forums here wrote a very awesome script for the Firefox addon called GreaseMonkey. Just download GreaseMonkey, and then go to http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/85762 and install the script.
Now, whenever you go to GOM's live page and are signed into your account, there will be stream links you can copy and paste.
On September 13 2010 18:04 Jukebox Joe wrote: It's a bit shit that there's so few Zergs and at least 1 is going out already because of ZvZ. Bummer
You can look at it that way, but on the other hand 1 of them is guaranteed to advance.
Glass half empty vs Glass half full =D
Leave me to my pessimistic ways
Actually your view is the optimistic one if you believe there's a bigger chance for zergs to move on if they face terran and protoss vs if they face each other.
On September 13 2010 18:04 Jukebox Joe wrote: It's a bit shit that there's so few Zergs and at least 1 is going out already because of ZvZ. Bummer
You can look at it that way, but on the other hand 1 of them is guaranteed to advance.
Glass half empty vs Glass half full =D
Leave me to my pessimistic ways
Actually your view is the optimistic one if you believe there's a bigger chance for zergs to move on if they face terran and protoss vs if they face each other.
On September 13 2010 18:16 dinmsab wrote: Is it just me or is artosis actually getting much better than tasteless at casting? For a moment there tasteless didnt know what to say lol.
I wouldn't think too much about it because even if that would happen both of them are still sooo awesome that it doesn't matter if one of them is slightly better than the other at casting ;-)
On September 13 2010 18:16 dinmsab wrote: Is it just me or is artosis actually getting much better than tasteless at casting? For a moment there tasteless didnt know what to say lol.
It's not just you. Tasteless just needs more practice and he'll be good again. He's getting stuck and repeating himself a lot. Can't be easy sitting there being interesting, though.
I would suggest adding a link to the players bnet profiles next to their names or posting their diamond rank. Some of these players are complete unknowns to me.
How come TL allow people to showcase their restreams of the GSL when it is counter productive for esports as a whole, since I see there are several thousands watching these restreams. Even Tasteless asked people to tune into the real FREE stream on GOM.
Who can I contact at TL to ask them why they allow people to showcase their restreams? GOM are hiring people to do english commentary, and I am a really like what Tasteless is doing, so why is not TL taking these down??? Tasteless needs to show his bosses some figures, and if everyone tuned in to the real FREE stream there would be a big difference.
On September 13 2010 18:23 HowardRoark wrote: How come TL allow people to showcase their restreams of the GSL when it is counter productive for esports as a whole, since I see there are several thousands watching these restreams. Even Tasteless asked people to tune into the real FREE stream on GOM.
Who can I contact at TL to ask them why they allow people to showcase their restreams? GOM are hiring people to do english commentary, and I am a really like what Tasteless is doing, so why is not TL taking these down??? Tasteless needs to show his bosses some figures, and if everyone tuned in to the real FREE stream there would be a big difference.
immortal pops out in time for anypro but gets taken out easily. hansin bringing in marauders into anypro's base. anypro barely going to hold off but he lost too many probes.
PvT is so nuts, no way to scout this and if you arent completly prepared you cant holdall the weird pushes. As long as you hold them off it is balanced, but these rushes, the terran can even expand behind, are usually deadly.
That's the weakness of the robo build on that map, it's really difficult to get enough units out to cover that early pressure and the fact that the ramp is wider really makes force fielding much harder.
I would expect the toss to four gate the back door on this map, should even it up.
First game on Scrap station mad rush with marauders and reaper against the protoss player anypro. Second game blistering sands, terran on top/right and protoss at the bottom
On September 13 2010 18:29 vyyye wrote: Wow, I'm definitely going to try that. Never thought of a reaper to take care of a sentry.
this is the problem - not adding to the imba-talk, but I was always feeling as if terrans haven't figured out the true potential of their early strenght yet
an early reaper together with marine/marauder lost me some games too; you can either use it to snipe sentrys OR you can harass the probes WHILE attacking the stalker with marine/marauder so you will definitely lose probes unless you have like super-micro; I'm always very afraid of a reaper showing up together with any early terran-pressure
EDIT: hansin is doing exactly what I've just written....
Quick robo is pretty much mandatory against Terran, sadly, because High Templar come out too slow and the Colossus is the only other high damage dealer: it's also needed for the Observer.
On September 13 2010 18:31 Bhaalgorn wrote: Why did he make an Immortal vs a bunch of marines? The 2 stalkers instead of that immortal could have saved him.
At the point the rush showed up, I believe he only had the robo and one gate with another gate building. You have to use your production structures, its not like the immortal came as the expense of two stalkers.
On September 13 2010 18:29 vyyye wrote: Wow, I'm definitely going to try that. Never thought of a reaper to take care of a sentry.
this is the problem - not adding to the imba-talk, but I was always feeling as if terrans haven't figured out the true potential of their early strenght yet
an early reaper together with marine/marauder lost me some games too; you can either use it to snipe sentrys OR you can harass the probes WHILE attacking the stalker with marine/marauder so you will definitely lose probes unless you have like super-micro; I'm always very afraid of a reaper showing up together with any early terran-pressure
EDIT: hansin is doing exactly what I've just written....
Yeah, Reaper's DPS against light units is _insane_, which makes it a little bit too strong early game, because most units at that time are light.
That was incredibly one sided.. when are we going to see anyone use colossi well vs T? So many go for them, but every game I've seen recently they just lose them mindlessly. Edit: As I say that he just murders the T army with a colossus + 2 well placed forcefields.
WOW, TvP is more boring to watch than mirror matches. I wonder how it came to this? With the coming tank nerf it will be even less satisfying to watch.
On September 13 2010 18:40 HowardRoark wrote: WOW, TvP is more boring to watch than mirror matches. I wonder how it came to this? With the coming tank nerf it will be even less satisfying to watch.
This was a great game waht are you guys saying?! I thought that the way the Protoss handled this was really good. Game 3 going on now in Xelnaga caverns, protoss at the bottom and terran on top right.
I actually can't wait for the NEXGenius game! He;s such an awesome Protoss player!
On September 13 2010 18:39 proxY_ wrote: He didn't have the lance did he, without the lance stimmed marauders can decimate them.
They could have done that but hansin pulled them back a little bit and anypro used that exact moment to trap the marauders with forcefields and that was the gg :-)
On September 13 2010 18:41 rocketboy77 wrote: I hope they leave Artosis as the observer. It seems to be going better this way, aside from the tech issues.
edit: damn
Haha I agree I was really enjoying Artosis' camera control now there is zooming and jumping! Still good camera control, just not quite AS good, IMHO
On September 13 2010 18:41 rocketboy77 wrote: I hope they leave Artosis as the observer. It seems to be going better this way, aside from the tech issues.
edit: damn
Yeah, Artosis did a good job commentating while controlling the camera.
On September 13 2010 18:49 Cranberries wrote: I'm liking the pre-emptive Guardian Shields.
really? I'm hating it - guardian shield nees SO much energy, two pre-emptive guardian shields equals three forcefields not being there....and three forcefields can pretty much decide a mid-game battle when placed perfectly
On September 13 2010 18:53 vyyye wrote: GG, anypro was the better player.
Definitely. I think 1 base dropship play is pretty gimmicky against good players. If you fail to snipe their expo with drops, it's very hard to come back.
On September 13 2010 18:49 Cranberries wrote: I'm liking the pre-emptive Guardian Shields.
really? I'm hating it - guardian shield nees SO much energy, two pre-emptive guardian shields equals three forcefields not being there....and three forcefields can pretty much decide a mid-game battle when placed perfectly
Well if you feel you still have enough energy for a some key forcefields then the GS makes a LOT of difference, especially if the mix is a bit more marine heavy
Artosis tends to ask the really simplistic dumb questions and not the more technical questions, I guess I can understand that from a the casual viewing perspective but it's annoying for the hardcore audience like us.
On September 13 2010 18:54 Tiny.pat wrote: glad the terran lost with trying the same every game!
Yeah, imagine if it was a b05 he played. 5 potential games, only 1 build.
There are many top players that stick to a build for the large majority of their games. For instance I watched Morrow play last night, basically doing the exact same thing in his games (and winning).
On September 13 2010 19:00 proxY_ wrote: Artosis tends to ask the really simplistic dumb questions and not the more technical questions, I guess I can understand that from a the casual viewing perspective but it's annoying for the hardcore audience like us.
More technical questions would be easier if it didn't have to go through a translator.
One build can work, Cauthon Luck just does that bunker expand with heavy bio in all his PvTs and I think Morrow is similar. The difference in that game is that the rush builds puts you out there a lot more and it's a lot riskier. If it fails you're a really bad shape.
On September 13 2010 19:00 proxY_ wrote: Artosis tends to ask the really simplistic dumb questions and not the more technical questions, I guess I can understand that from a the casual viewing perspective but it's annoying for the hardcore audience like us.
This is excluding the fact we have someone translating English to Korean and the two languages are completely different, with completely different arrangements in the language. This then, has an answer that has to be translated back to English.
Afaik he is taking questions from the chat so we are invited to ask all the hardcore questions we want ;-) Although I mostly wanted to know what artosis asked last (saw flaws in game 1 and 2 that you abused in game 3?) but that was answered pretty shortly :-/
For the love of god, stop apologizing for the damn technical difficulties. Once is required, three times means you're really sorry,20+ is just damn annoying.
The stream is stable(at least for me) and I'm using their player, even if it requires installation and going through a bunch of tiresome settings(why in the hell would I want their players as default?!). But it helps them getting more sponsors and helps e-sports, so why not.
On September 13 2010 19:09 OverLulz wrote: HQ stream still not watchable for you too? LQ is running perfectly, but HQ is lagging so much! It's definitely not my connection
Same thing here. It's only smooth in the US (as it's a US server).
Davit scouts early and proxies 2 rax with no gas, pumps marines into protoss base and bunkers up. Protoss pulls probes, takes down 2 bunkers but ultimately losses once a third bunker is up and he transfers 3 marines into it.
"someone buy nexgenius a bottle of wine because i heard that goes well with cheese" "someone also buy nexgenius an umbrella because he is going to cry"
On September 13 2010 19:09 OverLulz wrote: HQ stream still not watchable for you too? LQ is running perfectly, but HQ is lagging so much! It's definitely not my connection
Same thing here. It's only smooth in the US (as it's a US server).
in london here and HQ stream is working fine for me.
He canceled the cybercore and dropped a second gateway, I feel like that's not the correct counter. You need the stalkers to snipe the scvs building the bunkers.
I hate that bunker building animation with a passion. I can see no reason why it exists as far as balance is concerned. It certainly can't be working as intended.
On September 13 2010 19:09 OverLulz wrote: HQ stream still not watchable for you too? LQ is running perfectly, but HQ is lagging so much! It's definitely not my connection
Same thing here. It's only smooth in the US (as it's a US server).
HQ stream is working great for me today for once in Melb Absolutely no lag.
On September 13 2010 19:12 Fukinkou wrote: oh, and btw. HQ is working 100% flawless and I'm in sweden atm. Been working flawlessy for the last 3 streams actually.
hmpf maybe it's my connection cause i'm in the office must work but starcraft tournaments with young koreans are so intriguing... arg
On September 13 2010 19:11 nafta wrote: Very lucky terran but really didn't like how genius didn't scout.
the thing is, as protoss you can't really open up any differently than 12/13 gate....so it doesn't make that huge of a difference
He could've skipped the core and boosted zealots, thrown down a second gate or something. You make it sound like bunker rush is unstoppable when it obviously isnt.
Worst series I've ever seen. I'd rather watch BC rushes with 10 scv's repairing. The sad thing is the better player got eliminated while this terran is gonna lose to the 1st guy he doesn't decide to cheese against.
Hahahah imagine how furious Genius would be right now. Proxy rax'd twice... dear lord.
Edit: Also why are people complaining that he won twice with cheese? Cheese is just that... designed for the quick win if not scouted properly. Genius fails to scout, loses... thats the game unfortunately, even if we'd rather see two decent long macro games.
LAME SERIES.. gosh.. Usually I don't mind watching cheese because it results in close micro battles..
but this was just so 1-sided it was painful to watch. Every single spectator knew he won it by surprise... sigh. Screw this guy for cheesing twice, and screw the protoss player for not being prepared for cheese. Was not entertained
Actually i take that back.. He must already feel bad for losing.. So screw the terran player and him alone.
Why are all of you acting like protoss deserved to win. He didn't scout. That's a huge fail. He deserves to lose to that. Especially in game 2. Once he was aware davit was capable of that he should have played safe.
Yeah, that kind of rush is the thing I'm always most afraid of as protoss. Early concussive, multiple marauder marine pushes, and I just don't know what to do a lot of the time. An early Void ray or immortal works, but the timing just doesn't seem to work out when the rax's are proxied like that.
im not sure why the P player didnt scout the whole way to the other base, even though he missed the proxy rax's with his probe he would of seen only the depot in the T base and known something was up.
either way it was clear that DAVIT has that build down with heavy practice.
I guess some fault is on the protoss for not scouting especially for what happened in the first game. He should have atleast expected it. But I really don't see how the protoss could have pulled through from the early proxy rushes. It's unfortunate
On September 13 2010 19:17 Mascherano wrote: Worst series I've ever seen. I'd rather watch BC rushes with 10 scv's repairing. The sad thing is the better player got eliminated while this terran is gonna lose to the 1st guy he doesn't decide to cheese against.
Artosis said Davit is actually a pretty solid terran that usually doesn't cheese.
And that's why proxy rushes are gonna be nerfed. This retarded shit is insanely imbalanced, so easy to do, so annoying and hard to stop. (It's even worse on P with proxy zealot rush)
Such a terrible protoss i was shaking with anger the second game when he didn't scout at 8. You get cheesed on 4 player map and loose and then you ignore scouting in a 2 player map after loosing to a freaking cheese. Feels like the guy had no experience of cheese tactics at all! ><
On September 13 2010 19:18 FuRong wrote: It must have taken every ounce of willpower within him to type in that second gg =/
Wasn't he considered to be the second best Protoss in the field, behind Tester? Pretty sick that he's out in the first round...
I think he's hating on himself quite a bit, if the T is indeed known as a well rounded player he was probably just assuming "Nah, he wouldn't try that again" and thus didn't play it very safe. Yeah, that's the end result.
Edit: Funny how people find proxy rushes imbalanced though. Uh?
If he scouted he wouldn't have his gateway idling for so long, second one sooner, saved Cboost for stalker or a sentry to trap the first maras/rine and wtfpwn them with some probes + lot + sentry, He failed to scout and paniced twice, cry imba when a perfect defence fails k?
I can understand getting cheesed once and getting caught off guard but you shouldn't let yourself get cheesed 2 games in a row. In a tournament with 85k for the winner. Just sloppy.
Props to Davit for proxying twice like that. Apparently he's a solid standard player so NEXGenius probably wasn't expecting it, and he lost because of poor scouting and poor responses to it.
If his standard play is as solid as Tasteless/Artosis are saying I think he's going to become one of my more favorite Korean terrans and I'll definitely root for him throughout the rest of the tournament.
People claiming that proxy raxs are imbalance really need to learn to play the game... or understand basic concepts such as scouting, or not going 1 rax robo when you are unsure (and especially when youre scouting late! wow).
You guys really need to try slowing down the stream in GomPlayer instead of speeding it up. Press X a couple of times till it gets to 0.6% or 0.7% and Tasteless and Artosis become Cheech & Chong!
On September 13 2010 19:20 cyprin wrote: Stop suggesting scouting. It wouldn't of changed anything in that second match. Marauders destroy gateway units with concussive shells, period.
He went 1-gate into Robotics with idling time on his gateway and zero chronoboosts and pulling every single probe off the line.
It would have changed -everything- if he played it better.
On September 13 2010 19:19 Cranberries wrote: NEXGenius is probably one of the top 5 Protoss' in the world...
And yet Protoss cannot do anything against Proxy Marauder rushes. ^^
Balance.
Im as much in the T is too strong camp as anyone, but genius has only himself to blame, its just silly, he scouted after his core while fast teching, its just insane that he would think that build is safe.
I literally laughed out loud at how hilarious that series was . Just cheesing twice in a row, that's nuts .
And it's so unfortunate for NEXGenius to lose to such a strategy - like Artosis said, we never really got to see what his plan was because the game didn't get so far .
Wow lots of scrubby anti-cheese sentiment here. The guy is playing for 85k in the biggest SC2 tournament to date. He did what it took to win, and he won. Sounds good to me.
On September 13 2010 19:20 cyprin wrote: Stop suggesting scouting. It wouldn't of changed anything in that second match. Marauders destroy gateway units with concussive shells, period.
actually he would have been easily be able to hold that if he scouted and saw the barracks, period
On September 13 2010 19:22 z]Benny wrote: You guys really need to try slowing down the stream in GomPlayer instead of speeding it up. Press X a couple of times till it gets to 0.6% or 0.7% and Tasteless and Artosis become Cheech & Chong!
I don't understand what the toss would have done scouting this? Known that was he getting fucked about 15 seconds earlier? Or done what? picked up probes and go hit that scv?
On September 13 2010 19:19 Cranberries wrote: NEXGenius is probably one of the top 5 Protoss' in the world...
And yet Protoss cannot do anything against Proxy Marauder rushes. ^^
Balance.
Sigh... it doesn't make it instantly imbalanced. It was a lot of mind games and a strategic victory.
The set might not have been the most entertaining but it was definitely smart considering their backgrounds. Both known as solid players and not very cheesy players. DAVIT just taking advantage of it tactically and coming out on top.
Even in the interview, DAVIT said he had planned this ahead of time. I'm sure he tailored the build to crush a lot of standard and/or economic openings.
Hes probably shocked that he won, all in plays like that can be good but to me they're risky and they demonstrate that he wasn't confident that he could win in a more standard game.
Wow, that was an awkward interview . I'm not quite sure why Davit seemed to have such a tough time answering Artosis' questions. The second one was great though:
"Would you have changed your strategy on the first map if you hadn't scouted NEXGenius right away?" "Yes." ... ... "OKAY, well, thanks for your time and good luck with the tournament!"
On September 13 2010 19:24 leveller wrote: omg... it took him 5 minutes to answer and 2 seconds to translate. Get a new translator or something these interviews feels very shallow.
Unlike Sweden, not everyone speaks English in Korea. In fact, most can barely communicate. It's easier said than done finding a translator. I'm half Korean, sure is tricky when I'm over there
On September 13 2010 19:24 Dommk wrote: TvP 9-3 now? or 8-3?
You are easily the most clueless poster on TL. Every live report thread you just complain about T imbalance, when anyone with half a clue can see Genius deserved to lose twice. I mean 16 scout 1gate robo... seriously.
On September 13 2010 19:17 DennyR wrote: The next topranked protoss losing to a terran Ive never heared of before...
You can't call any protoss top ranked if he scouts at 16 on 2 player map.
You can, I'm sure he was trying for an edge in the second game because he mistakenly assumed the guy wouldn't cheese twice. Mindgames basically. I'm sure his standard play involves a pylon/gateway scout and he knew that davit was known for strong straight up play, hence not scouting early. It was a mistake yes, but it doesn't mean he's not good.
On September 13 2010 19:19 Cranberries wrote: NEXGenius is probably one of the top 5 Protoss' in the world...
And yet Protoss cannot do anything against Proxy Marauder rushes. ^^
Scouting.
Fixed.
You scout on 12. You see nothing.
You prepare by making a 33 second Zealot. You prepare by making a 42 second Sentry.
The Terran makes a 25 second Marine and 2 30 second Marauders.
And the ending is the same. ^^
You need to get zealot then chono stalker and get 1 more zealot and stalker from second gate. 2 Zealot 2 stalker can stop 2-3 rauders+2-4marines. On 2 player map scout at 8-9 harass his builders if he isn't making proxy. You need to early scout so badly as toss vs teran cos all proxy builds can demolish you or at least hurt your eco.
On September 13 2010 19:23 Kage wrote: I don't understand what the toss would have done scouting this? Known that was he getting fucked about 15 seconds earlier? Or done what? picked up probes and go hit that scv?
boosting a stalker out instead of a sentry. cancel his robo / dont even build it dont lose his zealot needlessly keep producing zealots and stalkers defend with probes => easy win
He obviously played to win. Nothing wrong with that in professional gaming.
The strategy from the terran aside I really didn't like the play from Genius. That certainly isn't one of the top 5 Protoss of the world. There are a lot better ones everywhere which at least have the basics down (like.. D'uh! Scouting?)
On September 13 2010 19:23 Kage wrote: I don't understand what the toss would have done scouting this? Known that was he getting fucked about 15 seconds earlier? Or done what? picked up probes and go hit that scv?
Scout with 8th probe, go 2 gates instead of 1 gate robo, chronoboost stalkers.
On September 13 2010 19:19 Cranberries wrote: NEXGenius is probably one of the top 5 Protoss' in the world...
And yet Protoss cannot do anything against Proxy Marauder rushes. ^^
Scouting.
Fixed.
You scout on 12. You see nothing.
You prepare by making a 33 second Zealot. You prepare by making a 42 second Sentry.
The Terran makes a 25 second Marine and 2 30 second Marauders.
And the ending is the same. ^^
So wait you scout on 12 vs a guy who just cheesed you on a fkin four player map? You're about as bright as our buddy nexgenius. Gz
You scout on 12 after Gateway unless you want to have 5~ seconds before you can build your Cybernetics after the Gateway finishes.
So to be clear you care more about the idle 5 seconds than losing games to cheese?
Well, 5 seconds faster Sentries/Stalkers to hold off 1 marine/2 marauder "mini" pushes is required.
These pushes don't come fast if they aren't proxied. And if they aren't proxied 5 seconds doesn't matter since they have to travel from their base... I fail to see how you make sense here.
On September 13 2010 19:27 silentsaint wrote: He obviously played to win. Nothing wrong with that in professional gaming.
The strategy from the terran aside I really didn't like the play from Genius. That certainly isn't one of the top 5 Protoss of the world. There are a lot better ones everywhere which at least have the basics down (like.. D'uh! Scouting?)
He might have the sickest mechanics known to man in the lategame. I mean, he might be a great player but was simply caught off guard. More often than not you can get away with a late scout, and he just made the wrong call. He isn't a bad player because of it. Just like the T isn't terrible because he used two strategies that worked, twice in a row.
It's a big tournament it worked first game easily, it puts pressure on your opponent and throws him off balance mentally. If you have a solid reputation of being a solid player who is very good mixing in ridiculous cheese takes people off guard and it tells your next opponents you gotta watch out for this and play honest.
In short a ton of money is on the line, win however you can.
I once lost 5 games in a row to a bunker rush from the same guy. The 6th game i played him on a 4player map, he went proxy reaper, killed 8 or so probes, and still i won that one because the guy had no macro skills period. However, I am totally clueless on what to do against proxy rax rine bunker rush. I feel as if even one bunker got up, it's death. I've tried chronoboosting a zealot and then a stalker, while trying to kill scv with probes, I've tried 10 gate -> 2 zealots and 10 gate -> stalker, the terran didn't even need to micro. The bunkers also build so ridiculously fast that even if I knew it was coming, checked the sides, found nothing, went to scout terran on 2player map, when the probe was halfway the damn bunker from a sneaky scv was already up ;|. Anyone has any replays holding a perfectly executed bunker rush?
On September 13 2010 19:28 sleepingdog wrote: nexgenius? wtf bronze-noob who can't even scout
Well that one is at least deserved. Scouting is the bread and butter of Starcraft
On September 13 2010 19:28 vyyye wrote: He might have the sickest mechanics known to man in the lategame. I mean, he might be a great player but was simply caught off guard. More often than not you can get away with a late scout, and he just made the wrong call. He isn't a bad player because of it.
That may be possible but its just so sad to go a toss down like that. Its normal that Toss Fans like me are disappointed because he didn't react in the second game to the experience of the first game even a little. Scout at 10 wouldnt have been that crazy.
On September 13 2010 19:24 Dommk wrote: TvP 9-3 now? or 8-3?
You are easily the most clueless poster on TL. Every live report thread you just complain about T imbalance, when anyone with half a clue can see Genius deserved to lose twice. I mean 16 scout 1gate robo... seriously.
I just make observations, never have I came out and said T was overpowered, most of the time I just ask questions (like in this thread). But I love it how some players feel the need to lash out, hope that helps you sleep at night.
On September 13 2010 19:28 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: I dont understand the last several pages of hate.
It's a big tournament it worked first game easily, it puts pressure on your opponent and throws him off balance mentally. If you have a solid reputation of being a solid player who is very good mixing in ridiculous cheese takes people off guard and it tells your next opponents you gotta watch out for this and play honest.
In short a ton of money is on the line, win however you can.
Totally agree. People are being so hostile towards him and it's completely stupid and unwarranted. I really like the guy tbh, and I can GUARANTEE you that if he was P or Z and did something just as cheesy, nobody would have a problem with it.
On September 13 2010 19:28 sleepingdog wrote: funny how some people around here handing crap to all top-ranked protoss-players who lost to terrans
jangminchul? bah, totally overrated escjung? püüh, ladder doesn't mean anything nexgenius? wtf bronze-noob who can't even scout
He went 1-gate robo, probably the most risky build you can possibly do besides afking, on a 2-player map with a close rush distance after he was just cheesed on a 4-player map.
I think Genius could have stopped that in 2nd game but he made some panicky mistakes. What scares me though is how to stop this after 1.1 when zealots take 5 seconds longer. Marines and marauders are untouched and in the 2nd game there never even was a bunker.
On September 13 2010 19:28 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: I dont understand the last several pages of hate.
It's a big tournament it worked first game easily, it puts pressure on your opponent and throws him off balance mentally. If you have a solid reputation of being a solid player who is very good mixing in ridiculous cheese takes people off guard and it tells your next opponents you gotta watch out for this and play honest.
In short a ton of money is on the line, win however you can.
this is the most obnoxious holier-than-thou type of post.
uh yeah, we get WHY people cheese--because it leads to fucking winning. and everybody likes winning. herp derp.
doesn't mean we as an audience like watching it. doesn't mean i as a viewer, who got up at 5AM to watch the games i paid $20 for, don't feel cheated--i was looking forward to a good TvP, and so far have not seen a single one today.
So many noobs posting like this guy doesn't know about scouting. He does, he chose not to and mine more, it was likely a calculated risk based on knowledge of his opponent.
On September 13 2010 19:28 sleepingdog wrote: nexgenius? wtf bronze-noob who can't even scout
Well that one is at least deserved. Scouting is the bread and butter of Starcraft
No, that's not deserved. He did something risky which would've provided an econ boost and it obviously didn't pay off this time, but goddamn he's not the worst P in the world because of it. If there wasn't any cheese he could've had an advantage.
Next series should be interesting, I can't even remember the last time I watched a ZvZ in SC2. Pretty sure I haven't seen a single one since Beta, and I've watched a LOT of tournaments since then. I have no idea what is standard in this matchup.
On September 13 2010 19:28 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: I dont understand the last several pages of hate.
It's a big tournament it worked first game easily, it puts pressure on your opponent and throws him off balance mentally. If you have a solid reputation of being a solid player who is very good mixing in ridiculous cheese takes people off guard and it tells your next opponents you gotta watch out for this and play honest.
In short a ton of money is on the line, win however you can.
this is the most obnoxious holier-than-thou type of post.
uh yeah, we get WHY people cheese--because it leads to fucking winning. and everybody likes winning. herp derp.
doesn't mean we as an audience like watching it.
I disagree your post is holier than thou, I fucking love to watch cheese it's exciting in that the game completely hinges upon your micro and turns up the excitement level. Don't assume everyone is the same as you when it comes to preference.
On September 13 2010 19:28 sleepingdog wrote: funny how some people around here handing crap to all top-ranked protoss-players who lost to terrans
jangminchul? bah, totally overrated escjung? püüh, ladder doesn't mean anything nexgenius? wtf bronze-noob who can't even scout
Ok, we all know terran is overpowered, anyone can look at the ladder stats and look at tournament results and see it, but genius sealed his fate with poor scouting, anyone that blames that series on imbalance is foolish.
On September 13 2010 19:28 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: In short a ton of money is on the line, win however you can.
I'm surprised and very disappointed to read that from someone who is a caster
sc2 - like any other "sport" - lives from people watching because only then sponsors will bring in money; I sure as hell wouldn't be watching sc2 if every game were about cheese and defending against it; I got better things to do than watching such crap
so from the perspective of the player, yes, it makes sense to do everything to win; for basketball/soccer/whaterver-players it makes sense to even play unfairly to win; for cyclists it makes sense to dope, because most of them won't get caught
but we as a community have the frickin right to hate them for doing this if we feel like it...because we are watching them and indirectly providing the source for their money
Weird thing is he didn't look nervous in the booth, and then he sees the first proxy and just pulls all his probes and idles for like 5 seconds, the second one he pulls *all* his probes and expects to have money for an immortal, brain freeze I guess, happens to me in shitty ladder games ^^. Hope he gets another try next season seen some good games of him.
Davit wouldn't have proxied g1 if he hadn't found him I guess, g2 he left his SCV by the Xel Naga, would he have seen a pylon scout before he moved to make the rax?
On September 13 2010 19:28 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: I dont understand the last several pages of hate.
It's a big tournament it worked first game easily, it puts pressure on your opponent and throws him off balance mentally. If you have a solid reputation of being a solid player who is very good mixing in ridiculous cheese takes people off guard and it tells your next opponents you gotta watch out for this and play honest.
In short a ton of money is on the line, win however you can.
this is the most obnoxious holier-than-thou type of post.
uh yeah, we get WHY people cheese--because it leads to fucking winning. and everybody likes winning. herp derp.
doesn't mean we as an audience like watching it.
I disagree your post is holier than thou, I fucking love to watch cheese it's exciting in that the game completely hinges upon your micro and turns up the excitement level. Don't assume everyone is the same as you when it comes to preference.
good for you. you like watching cheese. i and some of the people raggin on him don't. nobody bothered you about supporting him, why are you bothering us for raggin on him? herp derp.
On September 13 2010 19:28 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: In short a ton of money is on the line, win however you can.
I'm surprised and very disappointed to read that from someone who is a caster
sc2 - like any other "sport" - lives from people watching because only then sponsors will bring in money; I sure as hell wouldn't be watching sc2 if every game were about cheese and defending against it; I got better things to do than watching such crap
so from the perspective of the player, yes, it makes sense to do everything to win; for basketball/soccer/whaterver-players it makes sense to even play unfairly to win; for cyclists it makes sense to dope, because most of them won't get caught
but we as a community have the frickin right to hate them for doing this if we feel like it...because we are watching them and indirectly providing the source for their money
It's good drama how are people like personally offended by cheese it's hilarious.
On September 13 2010 19:28 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: In short a ton of money is on the line, win however you can.
I'm surprised and very disappointed to read that from someone who is a caster
sc2 - like any other "sport" - lives from people watching because only then sponsors will bring in money; I sure as hell wouldn't be watching sc2 if every game were about cheese and defending against it; I got better things to do than watching such crap
so from the perspective of the player, yes, it makes sense to do everything to win; for basketball/soccer/whaterver-players it makes sense to even play unfairly to win; for cyclists it makes sense to dope, because most of them won't get caught
but we as a community have the frickin right to hate them for doing this if we feel like it...because we are watching them and indirectly providing the source for their money
How you can compare cheesing to doping is beyond me. You're assuming everyone instnatly rages at any cheese attempt, that ain't true. Thing is, there are more 'real' games than cheesy games so I don't see what your gripe is. The players will obviously play to win, not to entertain.
On September 13 2010 19:28 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: I dont understand the last several pages of hate.
It's a big tournament it worked first game easily, it puts pressure on your opponent and throws him off balance mentally. If you have a solid reputation of being a solid player who is very good mixing in ridiculous cheese takes people off guard and it tells your next opponents you gotta watch out for this and play honest.
In short a ton of money is on the line, win however you can.
this is the most obnoxious holier-than-thou type of post.
uh yeah, we get WHY people cheese--because it leads to fucking winning. and everybody likes winning. herp derp.
doesn't mean we as an audience like watching it.
Seconded.
Everything you've said has been said many times, just let it ride. If you honestly think you need to explain why proxying or cheesing can lead to wins, then you are clueless.
It's an LR thread on a match being spectated and most people find cheese fucking boring OR they don't like seeing a popular player go down to it. That's it.
On September 13 2010 19:24 Dommk wrote: TvP 9-3 now? or 8-3?
You are easily the most clueless poster on TL. Every live report thread you just complain about T imbalance, when anyone with half a clue can see Genius deserved to lose twice. I mean 16 scout 1gate robo... seriously.
I just make observations, never have I came out and said T was overpowered, most of the time I just ask questions (like in this thread). But I love it how some players feel the need to lash out, hope that helps you sleep at night.
Claim whatever you want, its fairly obvious why you would quote such a statistic after such a game. Likewise, I'm sure it helps you sleep knowing the only reason you lose to Terrans is "imbalance".
On topic, excited to see the first zvz (i think?) of gsl.
On September 13 2010 19:28 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: In short a ton of money is on the line, win however you can.
I'm surprised and very disappointed to read that from someone who is a caster
sc2 - like any other "sport" - lives from people watching because only then sponsors will bring in money; I sure as hell wouldn't be watching sc2 if every game were about cheese and defending against it; I got better things to do than watching such crap
so from the perspective of the player, yes, it makes sense to do everything to win; for basketball/soccer/whaterver-players it makes sense to even play unfairly to win; for cyclists it makes sense to dope, because most of them won't get caught
but we as a community have the frickin right to hate them for doing this if we feel like it...because we are watching them and indirectly providing the source for their money
Blowing things out of proportion much? How many proxies have you seen in this tournament again? It's certainly not about doing it every game but when you mix in a random cheese strategy into your arsenal it makes you a much stronger player all around. This makes the sport stronger in the long run in that the top players have to be able to defeat it. Top level toss player? Can't beat cheese? Well you're not going to win a huge tournament. How is that a bad thing, it's not cheating comparing it to doping is stupid.
On September 13 2010 19:32 HuHEN wrote: Ok, we all know terran is overpowered, anyone can look at the ladder stats and look at tournament results and see it, but genius sealed his fate with poor scouting, anyone that blames that series on imbalance is foolish.
that wasn't my point
my point was, that people (who mostly feel to defend terran) downtalk some of the best players out there really hard; just imagine when idra lost to some kinky shit - people don't start like "woot, totally overrated"
jangminchul, escjung, nexgenius....all of them have had great success so far and played amazing games against top-skilled opponents; people need to show some respect, just losing two games in a tournament doesn't mean anything
On September 13 2010 19:30 Dionyseus wrote: The weird thing is NexGenius has like 700 games in the ladder, you'd think he'd know how to deal with cheese...
Oh dammmn conspiracy time!.... he threw the game.
Think about it, top ladder player thinks he can't win the whole thing so decides to make some money. 1) scouts hilariously late 2) when he does scout game 2 he doesn't scout the main and "coincidently" misses both proxys. 3) responds horribly, pulling way too many probes/controlling poorly/not killing bunkers.
On September 13 2010 19:28 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: In short a ton of money is on the line, win however you can.
so from the perspective of the player, yes, it makes sense to do everything to win; for basketball/soccer/whaterver-players it makes sense to even play unfairly to win; for cyclists it makes sense to dope, because most of them won't get caught
but we as a community have the frickin right to hate them for doing this if we feel like it...because we are watching them and indirectly providing the source for their money
So you completely went off the deep end and destroyed your point when you compared using a strategy arbitrarily labeled "cheese" and compared it with "playing unfairly" and straight up cheating through the use of banned drugs. Did you seriously just do that? Unreal...
On September 13 2010 19:30 Dionyseus wrote: The weird thing is NexGenius has like 700 games in the ladder, you'd think he'd know how to deal with cheese...
Oh dammmn conspiracy time!.... he threw the game.
Think about it, top ladder player thinks he can't win the whole thing so decides to make some money. 1) scouts hilariously late 2) when he does scout game 2 he doesn't scout the main and "coincidently" misses both proxys. 3) responds horribly, pulling way too many probes/controlling poorly/not killing bunkers.
this is some of the lowest lvl play i have seen since beta lol. no scouting blind expand with pass roach in zvz... where is sooo soo important to see what the opponent is doing.
On September 13 2010 19:41 lightrise wrote: this is some of the lowest lvl play i have seen since beta lol. no scouting blind expand with pass roach in zvz... where is sooo soo important to see what the opponent is doing.
I know, right? Korea is so grossly overrated in sc2.
But blargh - ZvZ isn't quite my cup of tea . It's cool that both players opened up with their unspoken agreement that Banelings are lame and opting to go straight for Roaches, but after that it was a straight build order loss because neither player could see what the other was doing.
One player expo'd and prepared for a Roach attack while the other teched to Muta =/.
I'd love to watch the stream but I'm on company time. Reading live reports is my only GSL-lifeline
Roach opening from both sides, one zergs takes expo, the other one techs to mutas-ling, guess who wins
Roach expand without any anti air so he has to go allin with his roaches to try and kill drones except he realizes that too late and doesnt kill anything.
Just about every caster out there is insulting either the player or his build, so it's not an uncommon phenomenon + it's funny, you shouldn't take it 2seriously
On September 13 2010 19:41 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: Everytime I watch these guys cast I always feel like they are insulting 1 of the players. Its annoying
On September 13 2010 19:35 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: Blowing things out of proportion much? How many proxies have you seen in this tournament again? It's certainly not about doing it every game but when you mix in a random cheese strategy into your arsenal it makes you a much stronger player all around. This makes the sport stronger in the long run in that the top players have to be able to defeat it. Top level toss player? Can't beat cheese? Well you're not going to win a huge tournament. How is that a bad thing, it's not cheating comparing it to doping is stupid.
don't get me wrong, I'm not "personally offended" from cheese
but there's a difference to justify the individual action from a players' point of view and to justify the strategy from the audience' point of view; I can understand that DAVIT played cheese against nexgenius and don't feel hate for him personally - but I still hate that this strategy was successful because I simply don't wanna watch cheese-games;
and yes, I strongly disagree with you that it makes a sport "stronger" when people have to learn how to overcome cheese; I simply don't want cheese to succeed ever - this is not why I play this is not why I watch; you disagree with me? fine, that's you personal opinion, I respect that; but in your previous post you sounded like you don't give others the right to disagree
i just don't get how you can build mass ground units and defence without scouting the possibility of air. i mean..you invested so much into econ build, why not just sac an ovie to have a look ==
On September 13 2010 19:24 Dommk wrote: TvP 9-3 now? or 8-3?
You are easily the most clueless poster on TL. Every live report thread you just complain about T imbalance, when anyone with half a clue can see Genius deserved to lose twice. I mean 16 scout 1gate robo... seriously.
I just make observations, never have I came out and said T was overpowered, most of the time I just ask questions (like in this thread). But I love it how some players feel the need to lash out, hope that helps you sleep at night.
Claim whatever you want, its fairly obvious why you would quote such a statistic after such a game. Likewise, I'm sure it helps you sleep knowing the only reason you lose to Terrans is "imbalance".
On topic, excited to see the first zvz (i think?) of gsl.
I've asked plenty of times for help here on TL, and every time i've made it clear that me being 900~ Diamond, losing has more to do with poor play than any sort of imbalance. But please, go on with making baseless assumptions
On September 13 2010 19:35 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: Blowing things out of proportion much? How many proxies have you seen in this tournament again? It's certainly not about doing it every game but when you mix in a random cheese strategy into your arsenal it makes you a much stronger player all around. This makes the sport stronger in the long run in that the top players have to be able to defeat it. Top level toss player? Can't beat cheese? Well you're not going to win a huge tournament. How is that a bad thing, it's not cheating comparing it to doping is stupid.
don't get me wrong, I'm not "personally offended" from cheese
but there's a difference to justify the individual action from a players' point of view and to justify the strategy from the audience' point of view; I can understand that DAVIT played cheese against nexgenius and don't feel hate for him personally - but I still hate that this strategy was successful because I simply don't wanna watch cheese-games;
and yes, I strongly disagree with you that it makes a sport "stronger" when people have to learn how to overcome cheese; I simply don't want cheese to succeed ever - this is not why I play this is not why I watch; you disagree with me? fine, that's you personal opinion, I respect that; but in your previous post you sounded like you don't give others the right to disagree
No I just dont like it when people hate on a player for using a viable strategy, yeah say you don't like cheese but calling the player bad insulting his ability to play and possibly calling him stupid is over the line that is what I take an issue with.
Pretty good play to open up the back door and show the banelings but then the terrible control there kind of ruins it. Going for the natural is kind of iffy to begin with as theres less workers there anyway... but blowing up on the queen seems like that had to be a misclick.
On September 13 2010 19:45 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: but calling the player bad insulting his ability to play and possibly calling him stupid is over the line that is what I take an issue with.
on this I/we agree
well, let's not draw this out more...I feel like both the zerg-players are lacking ZvZ-experience; from all the mirrors I've seen so far this tournament, here I got the feeling they don't have a "mechanical"-play, it feels like they are "freestyling" much
This game reminds me so much of BW with all the Zerglings fighting (once the Banelings died ), and now both players getting Spires. This is turning into a very interesting game .
ZvZ can actually be pretty fluid amongst top level players with a lot of scouting and unit countering going on at high level play. Once saw a game between two good zergs on NA where it started bling going out to a draw, they both went to spire but one knew they were farther ahead and got theirs faster so he got corruptors with to make sure his opponent wouldnt be able to catch up at all.
So the other player went hydras, and the first one went roaches, which forced infestors, and then ultras after that.. ZvZ is pretty fluid overall kind of an extreme example but still ^^
anyways current match mutas vs roach/hydra he really needs infestors to lock down the mutas.
On September 13 2010 19:24 Dommk wrote: TvP 9-3 now? or 8-3?
You are easily the most clueless poster on TL. Every live report thread you just complain about T imbalance, when anyone with half a clue can see Genius deserved to lose twice. I mean 16 scout 1gate robo... seriously.
I just make observations, never have I came out and said T was overpowered, most of the time I just ask questions (like in this thread). But I love it how some players feel the need to lash out, hope that helps you sleep at night.
Claim whatever you want, its fairly obvious why you would quote such a statistic after such a game. Likewise, I'm sure it helps you sleep knowing the only reason you lose to Terrans is "imbalance".
On topic, excited to see the first zvz (i think?) of gsl.
I've asked plenty of times for help here on TL, and every time i've made it clear that me being 900~ Diamond, losing has more to do with poor play than any sort of imbalance. But please, go on with making baseless assumptions
On September 13 2010 19:47 Bear4188 wrote: WTF. How is this guy in the Ro64?
Could all of you pls stop to ask why he is there. He made it and deserves it and maybe he is ultra nervous now for being first time in tv?
That's the feeling I've had from the very first day. It seems like a lot of the players are very nervous first time in the booth. Makes me wonder how the prelim were played. They weren't online, were they? One up for the old BW pro's I guess. They should be able to handle the pressure better.
It's not reallya fake spire with the way zerg tech buildings work sometimes you make a spire and realize theres no way you can catch up in the muta count so you just never make any mutas. You'll see it actually pretty often in high level games smarter to give up and switch tech than to force the issue.
On September 13 2010 19:55 Immersion_ wrote: Still waiting for the madfrog style burrow hydras and infestor at the base, wait for mutas - surface and FG + win
That was fucking epic, I've seen some really nice games with variatoins on that.
On September 13 2010 19:54 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: It's not reallya fake spire with the way zerg tech buildings work sometimes you make a spire and realize theres no way you can catch up in the muta count so you just never make any mutas. You'll see it actually pretty often in high level games smarter to give up and switch tech than to force the issue.
He should've canceled that. There's no frigging point in faking that thing when the other Zerg doesn't see it before the Roach Warren and Hydra Dent anyways. It's way too expensive not to cancel it.
If he went Hydras + 2-3 Infestors and then added just a few Roaches and Banelings to deny any Lingplay he won this easily.
On September 13 2010 19:54 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: It's not reallya fake spire with the way zerg tech buildings work sometimes you make a spire and realize theres no way you can catch up in the muta count so you just never make any mutas. You'll see it actually pretty often in high level games smarter to give up and switch tech than to force the issue.
He should've canceled that. There's no frigging point in faking that thing when the other Zerg doesn't see it before the Roach Warren and Hydra Dent anyways. It's way too expensive not to cancel it.
If he went Hydras + 2-3 Infestors and then added just a few Roaches and Banelings to deny any Lingplay he won this easily.
Sometimes you just dont notice until it's too late yeah maybe he may have been able to cancel it but meh hard to say when it was that he realized "oh shit I'm not gonna get enough mutas now." So it's hard to say. If you're going to try and go hydras vs mutas you need those infestors and keep them spread around to get a fungal out.
horrible horrible zerg... wow... miso... wow...thanks for making me stay up to watch a zerg that was totally useless... wow... sooo bad... worst player in tourney... wow...
I tend to agree with Artosis - I think that MisoZenith just didn't know how to respond to Muta/Ling/Bane. Infestors being 150 gas is one thing, but MisoZenith didn't even put down the 100 gas Infestation Pit, which would have indicated that he was at least preparing to deal with Muta using a Hydralisk composition.
On September 13 2010 19:57 dapierow wrote: horrible horrible zerg... wow... miso... wow...thanks for making me stay up to watch a zerg that was totally useless... wow... sooo bad... worst player in tourney... wow...
Well he wasn't so good but he tried his best and as long as he had fun, everyone is a winner.
On September 13 2010 19:54 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: It's not reallya fake spire with the way zerg tech buildings work sometimes you make a spire and realize theres no way you can catch up in the muta count so you just never make any mutas. You'll see it actually pretty often in high level games smarter to give up and switch tech than to force the issue.
He should've canceled that. There's no frigging point in faking that thing when the other Zerg doesn't see it before the Roach Warren and Hydra Dent anyways. It's way too expensive not to cancel it.
If he went Hydras + 2-3 Infestors and then added just a few Roaches and Banelings to deny any Lingplay he won this easily.
Sometimes you just dont notice until it's too late yeah maybe he may have been able to cancel it but meh hard to say when it was that he realized "oh shit I'm not gonna get enough mutas now." So it's hard to say. If you're going to try and go hydras vs mutas you need those infestors and keep them spread around to get a fungal out.
He started hydra den and roach warren before the spire was ready.So yes he should have canceled it and he had the time to do it.I guess he was just too nervous.
I think he realized he was inevitably a little behind thewind in terms of air superiority purely from timings, so more than a 'fake' he just decided (probably correctly) it was a better alternative to just losing a drawn out air battle when thewind isn't really gonna slip up. Unfortunately as Artosis pointed out you pretty much need infestors or *that* happens.
On September 13 2010 19:47 Bear4188 wrote: WTF. How is this guy in the Ro64?
Could all of you pls stop to ask why he is there. He made it and deserves it and maybe he is ultra nervous now for being first time in tv?
That's the feeling I've had from the very first day. It seems like a lot of the players are very nervous first time in the booth. Makes me wonder how the prelim were played. They weren't online, were they? One up for the old BW pro's I guess. They should be able to handle the pressure better.
Well there were like 5 youtube videos from artosis here on team liquid from the prelim event. It was offline but wasn´t streamed or something. For most of these guys it´s the first streamed experience so mistakes will be done.
On September 13 2010 19:28 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: I dont understand the last several pages of hate.
It's a big tournament it worked first game easily, it puts pressure on your opponent and throws him off balance mentally. If you have a solid reputation of being a solid player who is very good mixing in ridiculous cheese takes people off guard and it tells your next opponents you gotta watch out for this and play honest.
In short a ton of money is on the line, win however you can.
doesn't mean we as an audience like watching it. doesn't mean i as a viewer, who got up at 5AM to watch the games i paid $20 for, don't feel cheated--i was looking forward to a good TvP, and so far have not seen a single one today.
lol the players aren't trying to put on a show for you, they're trying to win 100 million won. Gom charges us for providing the service, the players just do their thing. lol....
Not been impressed with any of the interviews really so far - surely there is somebody in Korea who is able to speak English, as well as understand it. This translator they have seems to be able to get the question across to the player translating into Korean, but then struggles to re-word back into English.
On September 13 2010 19:59 Chanted wrote: Just checked the streams here at teamliquid, and around 4700 people are watching a restream. I cannot understand why they would do that, GOMTV stream works perfectly fine, why not go watch that one?
Well I'm on a bus right now and Gom still hasn't releasEd their iPhone app or stream so that's why I need restreams.
Hehe, never thought about that. My cellphone is like 3 years old and cant even take pictures, so Im always impressed with what people can do on their iphones etc
On September 13 2010 20:02 Mato wrote: Not been impressed with any of the interviews really so far - surely there is somebody in Korea who is able to speak English, as well as understand it. This translator they have seems to be able to get the question across to the player translating into Korean, but then struggles to re-word back into English.
Really, I just think its terrible questions. I don't know who is picking them, or if there are any better ones. Definitely just bad questions though.
On September 13 2010 20:02 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: lol artosis looks so awkward during interview, like he is secretly in love with the player
Artosis always looks like that, that's why he's so cool.
Plus its may be awkward talking to someone who can't understand you.
Idunno GOM might not let them talk in English, some of the players seem to respond to the questions in their facial expressions before the Translator even starts talking. It seems odd sometimes and makes me wonder.
On September 13 2010 19:28 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: I dont understand the last several pages of hate.
It's a big tournament it worked first game easily, it puts pressure on your opponent and throws him off balance mentally. If you have a solid reputation of being a solid player who is very good mixing in ridiculous cheese takes people off guard and it tells your next opponents you gotta watch out for this and play honest.
In short a ton of money is on the line, win however you can.
doesn't mean we as an audience like watching it. doesn't mean i as a viewer, who got up at 5AM to watch the games i paid $20 for, don't feel cheated--i was looking forward to a good TvP, and so far have not seen a single one today.
lol the players aren't trying to put on a show for you, they're trying to win 100 million won. Gom charges us for providing the service, the players just do their thing. lol....
quote the part of my post where i said the players are, in fact, trying to put on a show for me? oh, that part doesn't exist? oh i in fact said the opposite?
If someone is wondering what girl band is playing between the games (i was but not anymore). It sounded familiar and I did a search and it's an Estonian girl band Vanilla Ninja ( lol name)
On September 13 2010 20:02 Mato wrote: Not been impressed with any of the interviews really so far - surely there is somebody in Korea who is able to speak English, as well as understand it. This translator they have seems to be able to get the question across to the player translating into Korean, but then struggles to re-word back into English.
Really, I just think its terrible questions. I don't know who is picking them, or if there are any better ones. Definitely just bad questions though.
Maybe...
But like with the muta/ling question, he tells the player and the player rambles on for 30 or 40 seconds, then he translates back a 10 second "yeah its good on long distance maps", and thats that. Disappointing!
On September 13 2010 19:28 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: I dont understand the last several pages of hate.
It's a big tournament it worked first game easily, it puts pressure on your opponent and throws him off balance mentally. If you have a solid reputation of being a solid player who is very good mixing in ridiculous cheese takes people off guard and it tells your next opponents you gotta watch out for this and play honest.
In short a ton of money is on the line, win however you can.
doesn't mean we as an audience like watching it. doesn't mean i as a viewer, who got up at 5AM to watch the games i paid $20 for, don't feel cheated--i was looking forward to a good TvP, and so far have not seen a single one today.
lol the players aren't trying to put on a show for you, they're trying to win 100 million won. Gom charges us for providing the service, the players just do their thing. lol....
quote the part of my post where i said the players are, in fact, trying to put on a show for me? oh, that part doesn't exist? oh i in fact said the opposite?
good post, broseph.
So what are you complaining about? If you know that the players can do whatever they want, why are you complaining that you're not being entertained by it? It's like you put a coin in a slot machine and feel let down when individual spins don't pay off.
On September 13 2010 20:02 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: lol artosis looks so awkward during interview, like he is secretly in love with the player
Artosis always looks like that, that's why he's so cool.
Plus its may be awkward talking to someone who can't understand you.
Idunno GOM might not let them talk in English, some of the players seem to respond to the questions in their facial expressions before the Translator even starts talking. It seems odd sometimes and makes me wonder.
Well i'm sure even if they're not fluent they know few key english words. Especially broodwar terms like barracks/factory/marine or whatever, that can give them a clue as to what's being asked.
Reaper opening from Clide, girard went fast roach and tried to counterattack and looked like he might get in but got barely held off for those wondering whats going on.
Clide continues making reapers with some bio force against speed roaches and speed banelings, which over the course of many skirmishes thinned out all the reapers.
On September 13 2010 20:16 Ghad wrote: Think what it would do for balance if roaches had range 4 and could actually attack SCV's that are repairing the walloff.
Honestly I really see zero reason for two food roaches to not have four range.
On September 13 2010 20:15 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: Reaper opening from Clide, girard went fast roach and tried to counterattack and looked like he might get in but got barely held off for those wondering whats going on.
I was soooo waiting for someone to post something
On September 13 2010 20:16 Ghad wrote: Think what it would do for balance if roaches had range 4 and could actually attack SCV's that are repairing the walloff.
On September 13 2010 20:15 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: Reaper opening from Clide, girard went fast roach and tried to counterattack and looked like he might get in but got barely held off for those wondering whats going on.
Yes please more game updates :D. Im at work and cant watch any streams so i appreciate any bit of info about the games :D.
Kind of stalemating at the moment, Gerrard macroing up and stalling with attempted drops that aren't doing much damage but now his army is pretty fucking scary...
Big battle in the middle, bio tank vs. muta ling roach baneling, looked about an even exchange, most marines killed, but lots of zerg ground as well. Terran taking 3rd in front with PF, zerg taking 4th at front right main I think.
I've noticed they don't have any special deaths, the incinerate/acid/eviscerate death animations. Is that because the korean version had to remove them to not get rated 18? Because they've mentioned they're playing on ultra so it can't be that.
On September 13 2010 20:22 shawabawa wrote: I've noticed they don't have any special deaths, the incinerate/acid/eviscerate death animations. Is that because the korean version had to remove them to not get rated 18? Because they've mentioned they're playing on ultra so it can't be that.
They are playing on the gore-less version yes. Otherwise Maru wouldn't have been allowed to compete I guess
On September 13 2010 20:22 shawabawa wrote: I've noticed they don't have any special deaths, the incinerate/acid/eviscerate death animations. Is that because the korean version had to remove them to not get rated 18? Because they've mentioned they're playing on ultra so it can't be that.
they are playing on the 12+ rated version, so lots of stuff is removed.
Gerrard moving in taking out quite a lot of terran units but trading a lot of units . Killed most of the tanks with the attack though so probably favorable for him.
Clide's force is mostly bio right now with a couple of thors supporting, if Gerrard can get some nice banelings in he could do a ton of damage but Clide is wayyyyy ahead in supply.
Does the sound sometimes break up? I heard some static/crackling in my right hear on the headphones, and I'm hoping it's the stream, not my expensive headphones.
Yeah infestors help a lot with that huge bio army when trying to get banelings in there especially with that much gas in excess I'm not sure why he didn't do it.
I don't understand why every zerg goes for mutas. They're useless in battle and are not that good for harras. Marauders are really strong you want the terran to have marines in his unit composition, but I don't think investing in mutas is worth it.
Okay, that was a dumb question. JSLZenith is Terran Seems like there are a lot of 1000+ Zenith players on the Korean Ladder. Popular name I guess
EDIT: Is anybody still following the game? I'd like to know what's happening
roach openingfrom both sides
On what map was that? Is this normal nowadays for pro level zerg mirrors? What kind of build order allows you to go for roaches but still able to defend the normal ling/bling pressure? Or did they agree to go roach to make the games more interesting?
On September 13 2010 20:28 JamesKEenan wrote: Does the sound sometimes break up? I heard some static/crackling in my right hear on the headphones, and I'm hoping it's the stream, not my expensive headphones.
Looked like he was attack-moving the banes instead of moving or did i see that wrong?
Wondered why gerrad didn't transition into hive tech or at least some infestors. The siege tanks were often unsieged, so getting some fungals off shouldn't have been a problem. And Ultras definitly would have been pretty usefull against this compostition..
On September 13 2010 20:29 sashkata wrote: I don't understand why every zerg gos for mutas. They're useless in battle and are not that good for harras. Marauders are really strong you want the terran to have marines in his unit composition, but I don't think investing in mutas is worth it.
I think they are ok, if you have better multitasking than gerrard^^ but u have to find the right time to abandom them.
I would liked to have seen Gerrard get some Infestors to pin down those Marines so that they can't just stim away from the Banelings, but his economy wasn't as good as Clide's .
Poor Gerrard didn't manage his Drones that well and he was undersaturated for quite some time. Unfortunately, that's the difficulty of Zerg macro in effect - you just don't have enough Larvae to get both Drones and an army, and even though you have a decent combat unit output for a while, your eco suffers bad lategame =/.
I just feel bad for Gerrard because I make the same mistake all the time, and I know he played his heart out =/. Even if he did have Infestors, that's not an easy Terran army to take on.
On September 13 2010 20:28 JamesKEenan wrote: Does the sound sometimes break up? I heard some static/crackling in my right hear on the headphones, and I'm hoping it's the stream, not my expensive headphones.
Yes, especially when they shout out the players name. Ive got expensive headphones aswell
He definitely attack moved them because the marines moved back and they just blew up on the tanks. But Gerrard going hatch first on Xel naga pretty risky but if he can pull it off can get some nice macro going. Feel like it'll be tough against Clide if he goes reapers again.
OH but hellions instead with pre igniter coming ooooh
press C long ... when it stops skipping very fast, press Z -- if you want to catch the last interview.. but you will skip through some gameplay, of course
Oh man hellions getting up into the main of Gerrard but he defends really well, sadly igniter wasnt done or he would have lost a ton of drones. Feel like if Gerrard can keep these hellions out again then he'll be in a great spot in the midgame.
Drop harass with blue flame hellions by Clide, Gerrard has very good reaction times with moving his drones around, doesn't lose many at all, and kills the medivac with 4 hellions in it.
Gerrard just defended like a pro. Ended up trapping a drop and killing 4 blueflame hellions in it, losing maybe 2 drones tops. He's on 2 base and going to mutas, in a good position.
On September 13 2010 20:28 JamesKEenan wrote: Does the sound sometimes break up? I heard some static/crackling in my right hear on the headphones, and I'm hoping it's the stream, not my expensive headphones.
Yes, especially when they shout out the players name. Ive got expensive headphones aswell
Oh my, thank you. You saved me from neurotically worrying about something else for today!
Yeah Gerrard looks pretty sweet right now the hatch first is definitely going to pay off with Clide not killing many workers and if he can get make some good fungals with these upcoming infestors it'll be pretty epic. If he makes any infestors from that infestation pit...
On September 13 2010 19:28 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: I dont understand the last several pages of hate.
It's a big tournament it worked first game easily, it puts pressure on your opponent and throws him off balance mentally. If you have a solid reputation of being a solid player who is very good mixing in ridiculous cheese takes people off guard and it tells your next opponents you gotta watch out for this and play honest.
In short a ton of money is on the line, win however you can.
doesn't mean we as an audience like watching it. doesn't mean i as a viewer, who got up at 5AM to watch the games i paid $20 for, don't feel cheated--i was looking forward to a good TvP, and so far have not seen a single one today.
lol the players aren't trying to put on a show for you, they're trying to win 100 million won. Gom charges us for providing the service, the players just do their thing. lol....
quote the part of my post where i said the players are, in fact, trying to put on a show for me? oh, that part doesn't exist? oh i in fact said the opposite?
good post, broseph.
So what are you complaining about? If you know that the players can do whatever they want, why are you complaining that you're not being entertained by it? It's like you put a coin in a slot machine and feel let down when individual spins don't pay off.
are you new to spectator sports or something? hello? you ever watch a really boring football game where all the offense does is run inside zone and power plays, maybe throw in a screen or two to keep the DTs honest? have you ever thought during that, "god this game is boring as fuck"? even though you know the offense just wanted to control the time of possession and run down the clock, and it may very well have been a good gameplan? and even though there are people who enjoy watching the 3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust offense?
i find cheese stupid and boring. i dont enjoy watching it, regardless of how powerful it is. i also make no claims as to what other people like or do not like to watch, but based on the responses in this thread, clearly a lot of other people find cheese stupid and boring also.
please let me know if you need more step by step explanations for why people can both understand why X exists and at the same time not like X
OMG huge fungals on the bio army but he loses the infestors for still killing a ton of marines with fungal this early is pretty huge this push by Clide will be pretty weak if he actually moves forward with it now.
So close to being good from Gerrard, with those 2 infestors not being thrown away and not engaging before the ultras were ready (???????????????) could've dealt with it imo
Yeah shaw like 2 minutes ahead of me but Gerrard never rebuilt his infestors and poor baneling control again. So now Clide runs him over with an insane number of marines and backing up a couple of tanks. This is pretty much over.
It was great timing on the part of the Terran, the attack came right before Gerrard could build up enough Ultras to threaten. People may cry imbalance, but Clide seems like a pretty legit Terran.
Feel like he cut too much ot try and get out those fast ultras, and fast ultras with no fungals is kind of weak anyway. He really just needed to replace those infestors without it his army comp was just pretty weak vs that mass marine especially with blowing up banelings on the tanks.
On September 13 2010 19:28 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: I dont understand the last several pages of hate.
It's a big tournament it worked first game easily, it puts pressure on your opponent and throws him off balance mentally. If you have a solid reputation of being a solid player who is very good mixing in ridiculous cheese takes people off guard and it tells your next opponents you gotta watch out for this and play honest.
In short a ton of money is on the line, win however you can.
doesn't mean we as an audience like watching it. doesn't mean i as a viewer, who got up at 5AM to watch the games i paid $20 for, don't feel cheated--i was looking forward to a good TvP, and so far have not seen a single one today.
lol the players aren't trying to put on a show for you, they're trying to win 100 million won. Gom charges us for providing the service, the players just do their thing. lol....
quote the part of my post where i said the players are, in fact, trying to put on a show for me? oh, that part doesn't exist? oh i in fact said the opposite?
good post, broseph.
So what are you complaining about? If you know that the players can do whatever they want, why are you complaining that you're not being entertained by it? It's like you put a coin in a slot machine and feel let down when individual spins don't pay off.
are you new to spectator sports or something? hello? you ever watch a really boring football game where all the offense does is run inside zone and power plays, maybe throw in a screen or two to keep the DTs honest? have you ever thought during that, "god this game is boring as fuck"? even though you know the offense just wanted to control the time of possession and run down the clock, and it may very well have been a good gameplan? and even though there are people who enjoy watching the 3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust offense?
i find cheese stupid and boring. i dont enjoy watching it, regardless of how powerful it is. i also make no claims as to what other people like or do not like to watch, but based on the responses in this thread, clearly a lot of other people find cheese stupid and boring also.
please let me know if you need more step by step explanations for why people can both understand why X exists and at the same time not like X
Your reasonable beliefs and the defense thereof are not permitted "online."
There are only extremes of opinion. Pick a side, and defend it mindlessly and furiously.
Hive rush in SC2 is viable just have to support the units correctly, ultras vs bio will get kited endlessly unless you can get some fungals out I liked the infestor play but then he never rebuilt them. Sad face
Man, that was disgusting =/. I really feel for Gerrard right now! Those Infestors were so precious =/. Once he lost them, he didn't have the gas to support the Ultra tech AND get replacement Infestors as well.
The DPS of Marines is just so high that without that crucial Fungal Growth, you can't quite rely on Banelings alone to take out such a mass of them . I mean, having played games like that myself, it's almost stressful to watch because the memories of being in similar situations are so fresh in my mind . It really stings to lose like that.
That Z had some great creep spread and a good sense for expanding, but for some reason he just had trouble spending that money. If he could brush up on that side of his game he would be rather scary Zerg.
On September 13 2010 20:39 JamesKEenan wrote: Yeeaaahhh....
I do think there might be some TvZ imbalance... but In the case of this particular game, it is clear the Terran is simply the better player.
Gerrard did some things pretty damn well, but and attacked into the terran army at pretty bad angles. Probably should have made more infestors, he needed to lock down those stimmed marines.
Tasteless: TASTELESS AND ARTOSIS SIGNING OUT! PEACE!!! Artosis:....stay tuned though, I have an interview coming up Tasteless: (super fast) Tasteless signing out, artosis has an interview coming up
On September 13 2010 20:42 DoXa wrote: 1. make a million marines 2. ??? 3. profit
but i have to say, gerrard didn't play his best by far...
I feel as a zerg, I have to go through so much micro to take care of tank/bioball, Terran just needs to be bit smart with the placement of tanks.
IDK he didn't even try to make marauders a nice infestor/bling combo with some roaches in front to soak some shots or even zerglings woulda messed that up pretty badly. Just was going for that super early Hive tech and couldn't afford it and even if he got more ultras out? Vs mass marines with no fungal kind of bad anyway I feel like that build by Clide was rather punishable but Gerrard didn't quite try to punish it correctly.
Ooooh, they actually got to finish the interview, and just mere seconds before the stream stopped . Or maybe they waited this time for the English interview to be over before they shut it down .
On September 13 2010 20:52 z00t wrote: Ooooh, they actually got to finish the interview, and just mere seconds before the stream stopped . Or maybe they waited this time for the English interview to be over before they shut it down .
Seems like just luck as they've cut most of them so far and that was a pretty abrupt cut if they were waiting for the interview.
For anyone wondering which VODs to watch today, just skip all the games and go straight to the DAVIT interview. By far the highlight of the tournament so far.
I am always stuck at the same situation as Gerard. I manage to defend well against early reaper/helion harashment, go into mid-game with a pretty good eco and then all the problems start! Most of the times I try mass banelings-speedlings which does the trick. We both wipe our armies and then the next round comes! In the end it seems the T is ahead in economy since the units count lost favors him.
Clide opened with 6/7 helions with blue flame upgrade + medivac and did barely any damage with it, actually losing a fully loaded medivac to queens. A few minutes later he pushed out with a huge tank + bio army and crushed his opponent. Something seems wrong with that imo.
Clide really had no hard time vs Gerrard, pretty interesting games anyways! i learned a few tricks in those matches, btw gj Artosis and Tasteless commentating it.
On September 13 2010 21:23 cuppatea wrote: Clide opened with 6/7 helions with blue flame upgrade + medivac and did barely any damage with it, actually losing a fully loaded medivac to queens. A few minutes later he pushed out with a huge tank + bio army and crushed his opponent. Something seems wrong with that imo.
So if Terran had lost so much units, why zerg didn't push out then? Being too passive seems wrong imo.
On September 13 2010 21:23 cuppatea wrote: Clide opened with 6/7 helions with blue flame upgrade + medivac and did barely any damage with it, actually losing a fully loaded medivac to queens. A few minutes later he pushed out with a huge tank + bio army and crushed his opponent. Something seems wrong with that imo.
So if Terran had lost so much units, why zerg didn't push out then? Being too passive seems wrong imo.
pretty sure wallin/1 tank will wipe out the zerg army
On September 13 2010 21:23 cuppatea wrote: Clide opened with 6/7 helions with blue flame upgrade + medivac and did barely any damage with it, actually losing a fully loaded medivac to queens. A few minutes later he pushed out with a huge tank + bio army and crushed his opponent. Something seems wrong with that imo.
So if Terran had lost so much units, why zerg didn't push out then? Being too passive seems wrong imo.
Because Zerg can't do shit to Terran early game?
Good luck trying to break a Terran wall in with siege tank support using only lings or roaches!
Anyway, the Terran wasn't even behind after his failed helion harass, which is entirely my point. Either his harass succeeds and he's way ahead or it fails and he's even with his opponent.
On September 13 2010 21:23 cuppatea wrote: Clide opened with 6/7 helions with blue flame upgrade + medivac and did barely any damage with it, actually losing a fully loaded medivac to queens. A few minutes later he pushed out with a huge tank + bio army and crushed his opponent. Something seems wrong with that imo.
So if Terran had lost so much units, why zerg didn't push out then? Being too passive seems wrong imo.
Because Zerg can't do shit to Terran early game?
Good luck trying to break a Terran wall in with siege tank support using only lings or roaches!
Anyway, the Terran wasn't even behind after his failed helion harass, which is entirely my point. Either his harass succeeds and he's way ahead or it fails and he's even with his opponent.
So u just admitted that Zerg wasn't good enough. Terran had lost so much, and even then had better macro than zerg. Don't blame everything on imbalance.
On September 13 2010 21:23 cuppatea wrote: Clide opened with 6/7 helions with blue flame upgrade + medivac and did barely any damage with it, actually losing a fully loaded medivac to queens. A few minutes later he pushed out with a huge tank + bio army and crushed his opponent. Something seems wrong with that imo.
So if Terran had lost so much units, why zerg didn't push out then? Being too passive seems wrong imo.
Because Zerg can't do shit to Terran early game?
Good luck trying to break a Terran wall in with siege tank support using only lings or roaches!
Anyway, the Terran wasn't even behind after his failed helion harass, which is entirely my point. Either his harass succeeds and he's way ahead or it fails and he's even with his opponent.
So u just admitted that Zerg wasn't good enough. Terran had lost so much, and even then had better macro than zerg. Don't blame everything on imbalance.
P.S. I play random.
You're twisting his words to suit your argument and it's childish. He's assuming that both players are equally skilled, and that the fact that T can completely fail a harass and still be on even ground with the Z means that Z is just straight up harder to play in every way, which would be imbalance. Did I really have to explain that?
On September 13 2010 21:23 cuppatea wrote: Clide opened with 6/7 helions with blue flame upgrade + medivac and did barely any damage with it, actually losing a fully loaded medivac to queens. A few minutes later he pushed out with a huge tank + bio army and crushed his opponent. Something seems wrong with that imo.
So if Terran had lost so much units, why zerg didn't push out then? Being too passive seems wrong imo.
Because Zerg can't do shit to Terran early game?
Good luck trying to break a Terran wall in with siege tank support using only lings or roaches!
Anyway, the Terran wasn't even behind after his failed helion harass, which is entirely my point. Either his harass succeeds and he's way ahead or it fails and he's even with his opponent.
So u just admitted that Zerg wasn't good enough. Terran had lost so much, and even then had better macro than zerg. Don't blame everything on imbalance.
P.S. I play random.
You're twisting his words to suit your argument and it's childish. He's assuming that both players are equally skilled, and that the fact that T can completely fail a harass and still be on even ground with the Z means that Z is just straight up harder to play in every way, which would be imbalance. Did I really have to explain that?
I think he's wrong to assume that they're on equal level
I dont know if it has been asked before but can I somehow watch the korean stream together with the english so I get the commentary but with the korean observer? I love tasteless but as an observer he misses a lot of stuff that goes on.
On September 13 2010 23:19 dnosrc wrote: Stats so far for Ro64:
Z vs T 1 : 4 (4 : 8 in maps) Z vs P 3 : 3 (8 : 7 in maps) T vs P 8 : 3 (18 : 9 in maps)
BALANCED :D
No but seriously guys, Gerrard < Clide. that dude was all over the place and gerrard missed so many larvae timings, failed the roach counter in g1 etc etc.
BTW, does anyone know where I can watch all the GSL VOD's?
I can't watch them because I'm always at home when they're already over and because IdrA and Cool etc are playing Ro32 soon I'd like to watch the VOD's.
On September 14 2010 00:12 IPS.Mardow. wrote: BTW, does anyone know where I can watch all the GSL VOD's?
I can't watch them because I'm always at home when they're already over and because IdrA and Cool etc are playing Ro32 soon I'd like to watch the VOD's.
Help :D
I am glad you asked Mardow because I can help you. Goto http://www.gomtv.net/videos/ and you can view them all there. You'll need to setup your account through GOM. It costs $20 and is good for the all premium live streams and VODs for the entire season. GL
In defense of the Davit's Proxy 'cheese'--I went and watched a couple of NEXgenius's PVTs... guess what he does? 1-gateway into robo with very few troops early on, and a late scout. It's very possible Davit did the smart thing and decided to exploit an obvious weakness in his opponent's strategy.
Mildly interestingly, in the second game of DAVIT vs NexGenius, if Nex had pylon scouted the SCV was still at the Xel Naga tower and would've seen the scout, I wonder if he still would've cheesed
Those zerg did really strange BO, I mean in a ZvZ baneling zergling is pretty standart and none of them did it. When he got baneling he sacrifice them on a queen, really bad play. hopefully, IdrA can show us how it's done.
On September 14 2010 07:20 deo.deo wrote: is there anywhere something at least close to a grid? Just want to know who moved to the next stage and who is going to play who...
On September 14 2010 07:20 deo.deo wrote: is there anywhere something at least close to a grid? Just want to know who moved to the next stage and who is going to play who...
Sorry about lousy translation I was not hired to do translating but as there is noone who can speak Englsih and knows SC2, I'm filling in.
The questions are from viewers who put them on on Gomtv forum. I admit some of the questions are not very good, but there isn't much choice. Also I don't have trouble translating Artosis as he puts the sentence brief and to the point. The playes however, do lot of stuttering and drag on. I am instructed to summarize them as best as I can. I do not blame the players however, as many of them have no experience in interviewing in front of live camera and it's also hard for them to concentrate to the questions after winning a match.
As I have mentioned before, my primary job is keeping track of foreign reaction and I read every single thread related to GSL. Your threads have been very helpful and I thank you for your great interest.
Sorry about lousy translation I was not hired to do translating but as there is noone who can speak Englsih and knows SC2, I'm filling in.
The questions are from viewers who put them on on Gomtv forum. I admit some of the questions are not very good, but there isn't much choice. Also I don't have trouble translating Artosis as he puts the sentence brief and to the point. The playes however, do lot of stuttering and drag on. I am instructed to summarize them as best as I can. I do not blame the players however, as many of them have no experience in interviewing in front of live camera and it's also hard for them to concentrate to the questions after winning a match.
As I have mentioned before, my primary job is keeping track of foreign reaction and I read every single thread related to GSL. Your threads have been very helpful and I thank you for your great interest.
For what it's worth, I think you're doing fine . I hope that foreign reaction has been as positive as you guys may have hoped it is! I know I'm certainly very excited .
Does anyone have any info on the players in today's matches? I only know of Zenio and Cezanne and have only heard of Ensnare, but haven't seen him play. Who are the other players, and what are their claims to fame?
On September 14 2010 11:57 JunkkaGom wrote: Sorry about lousy translation I was not hired to do translating but as there is noone who can speak Englsih and knows SC2, I'm filling in.
The questions are from viewers who put them on on Gomtv forum. I admit some of the questions are not very good, but there isn't much choice. Also I don't have trouble translating Artosis as he puts the sentence brief and to the point. The playes however, do lot of stuttering and drag on. I am instructed to summarize them as best as I can. I do not blame the players however, as many of them have no experience in interviewing in front of live camera and it's also hard for them to concentrate to the questions after winning a match.
As I have mentioned before, my primary job is keeping track of foreign reaction and I read every single thread related to GSL. Your threads have been very helpful and I thank you for your great interest.
man every interview was fine except of the single one yesterday and that was clearly not your fault.. without you there wouldn't even be the possibility to make interviews.. you're doing great and everyone here appreciates your work.. the gsl is amazing so far. .keep up the good work!
On September 14 2010 11:57 JunkkaGom wrote: Sorry about lousy translation I was not hired to do translating but as there is noone who can speak Englsih and knows SC2, I'm filling in.
The questions are from viewers who put them on on Gomtv forum. I admit some of the questions are not very good, but there isn't much choice. Also I don't have trouble translating Artosis as he puts the sentence brief and to the point. The playes however, do lot of stuttering and drag on. I am instructed to summarize them as best as I can. I do not blame the players however, as many of them have no experience in interviewing in front of live camera and it's also hard for them to concentrate to the questions after winning a match.
As I have mentioned before, my primary job is keeping track of foreign reaction and I read every single thread related to GSL. Your threads have been very helpful and I thank you for your great interest.
I believe you are doing a great job at the translations. The players seem to understand the questions perfectly and your response is often clear and to the point. I agree with your point about the players, its not easy doing an interview in front of such a large audience, maybe those that are complaining should try it someday.
JunkkaGom, maybe the interview could be done without Artosis, just you and do them standing up at the booths or something. Seems silly to have a third "unnecessary" party there and the same with two seats for 3 people...
On September 14 2010 11:57 JunkkaGom wrote: Sorry about lousy translation I was not hired to do translating but as there is noone who can speak Englsih and knows SC2, I'm filling in.
Translating is hard, I've done a bit of it with Spanish, which I'm pretty damn comfortable with (I've spoken it since I was 7). It's still weird though, because alot of things just don't translate directly. Best advice I can give to you is to say what comes to your mind first, or rather, what you feel is right, rather then thinking about it and trying to process it and mull it over in your mind for too long. Generally your mind's primary response, when you try to switch modes, is the most reasonably accurate; even though it's often not the most technically accurate translation. But listeners are generally more interested in the more viceral understanding anyway. Written though is alot easier to do, as then you can take the time to really analyze what was said, and you have the time to think about swapping expressions; for spoken you just can't do that, so the best thing to do is to not try to. At least this has been my experience.
On September 14 2010 11:57 JunkkaGom wrote: Sorry about lousy translation I was not hired to do translating but as there is noone who can speak Englsih and knows SC2, I'm filling in.
The questions are from viewers who put them on on Gomtv forum. I admit some of the questions are not very good, but there isn't much choice. Also I don't have trouble translating Artosis as he puts the sentence brief and to the point. The playes however, do lot of stuttering and drag on. I am instructed to summarize them as best as I can. I do not blame the players however, as many of them have no experience in interviewing in front of live camera and it's also hard for them to concentrate to the questions after winning a match.
As I have mentioned before, my primary job is keeping track of foreign reaction and I read every single thread related to GSL. Your threads have been very helpful and I thank you for your great interest.
I am disappointed to see Genius exit that way. I was really curious to see him play. I saw a couple of his ladder games and I thought he was quite impressive. Shame!
On September 14 2010 11:57 JunkkaGom wrote: Sorry about lousy translation I was not hired to do translating but as there is noone who can speak Englsih and knows SC2, I'm filling in.
The questions are from viewers who put them on on Gomtv forum. I admit some of the questions are not very good, but there isn't much choice. Also I don't have trouble translating Artosis as he puts the sentence brief and to the point. The playes however, do lot of stuttering and drag on. I am instructed to summarize them as best as I can. I do not blame the players however, as many of them have no experience in interviewing in front of live camera and it's also hard for them to concentrate to the questions after winning a match.
As I have mentioned before, my primary job is keeping track of foreign reaction and I read every single thread related to GSL. Your threads have been very helpful and I thank you for your great interest.
Get this man a chair ffs.
That too, get a chair; you squatting there looks damn awkward.
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