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KamuL
United States154 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 17 2010 03:49 Sfydjklm wrote: most streams are delayed by a couple of minutes, and as far as cheating in real sport goes - waht about chess? What about steroids? Match fixing? cough cough. Integrity will always take the backseat to entertainment value. Most streams aren't delayed. Over long, long casts where people don't refresh it begins to widen the gap though. I'm glad you're justifying the existence of possible cheating because people in other areas of competitions have done it. Do games have a little more interest when they're casted live? Yes, but it has even less of an impact when we can't see player/fan reaction because all we have are what the commentators choose to say or not say at the moment. With a legitimate amount of money on the line in some cases, ways to prevent cheating (when it's extremely easy to do) should be taken. Also, match fixing and steroids both spurred investigations to punish and prevent it from happening; all you're suggesting it ignoring. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On August 17 2010 04:01 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Most streams aren't delayed. Over long, long casts where people don't refresh it begins to widen the gap though. I'm glad you're justifying the existence of possible cheating because people in other areas of competitions have done it. Do games have a little more interest when they're casted live? Yes, but it has even less of an impact when we can't see player/fan reaction because all we have are what the commentators choose to say or not say at the moment. Well the russian streamers are most definitely running with delay, and i dont see what is stopping anyone else from running witha delay. Its a non-argument. With a legitimate amount of money on the line in some cases, ways to prevent cheating (when it's extremely easy to do) should be taken. Also, match fixing and steroids both spurred investigations to punish and prevent it from happening; all you're suggesting it ignoring. Just like BP's oil spill launched investigation. There is an illusion of integrity. There is nothing in way of prevetion, just an attempt at distancing. I am not suggesting ignoring it. I am just saying there is no way around streaming it live. Think about how to make streams better for everyone not about reasons not to make a stream in the first place. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 17 2010 04:08 Sfydjklm wrote: Well the russian streamers are most definitely running with delay, and i dont see what is stopping anyone else from running witha delay. Its a non-argument. Just like BP's oil spill launched investigation. There is an illusion of integrity. There is nothing in way of prevetion, just an attempt at distancing. I am not suggesting ignoring it. I am just saying there is no way around streaming it live. Think about how to make streams better for everyone not about reasons not to make a stream in the first place. I specifically state that there should be a delay. That's all. All that's needed is for each and every streamer in serious tournaments to do so and it becomes a non-issue. Don't read into this like I'm trying to piss on the holy grail or dig up the remains of the virgin mary to desecrate. This isn't about BP, steroids, or chess. It's about a solution to cheating to appease players and viewers with the essential need for "live streams" to help increase viewership. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On August 17 2010 04:13 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I specifically state that there should be a delay. That's all. All that's needed is for each and every streamer in serious tournaments to do so and it becomes a non-issue. Don't read into this like I'm trying to piss on the holy grail or dig up the remains of the virgin mary to desecrate. This isn't about BP, steroids, or chess. It's about a solution to cheating to appease players and viewers with the essential need for "live streams" to help increase viewership. Well the problem is modern streaming technology is built around the idea that they deliver as little as a delay as possible. And I have talked to every important person in both Ustream and Livestream before and they cannot add one. This is why we did the ITL GP off of replays. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
I could swear i saw him being asian at some wcg event a few years back. | ||
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Nairul
United States262 Posts
On August 17 2010 03:37 KamuL wrote: sheth tried this yesterday vs him and got destroyed by it still. D: and in the game vs catz ls forces back roaches with perfect micro yet again, so roaches off creep dont work vs him either. What are you roomates with him or something? Stop stroking. =) In all seriousness, LS is going to turn a lot of heads if he hasn't already. Very skilled. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 17 2010 04:33 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Well the problem is modern streaming technology is built around the idea that they deliver as little as a delay as possible. And I have talked to every important person in both Ustream and Livestream before and they cannot add one. This is why we did the ITL GP off of replays. Oh, I'm aware of the issue. There was a bunch of debate about it both in the HDH and many prior tournaments in the past. I'm not saying it's easy, and I honestly don't know if there's an easy way to do it with ustream/jtv/livestream. But, it's something that has to be figured out if people plan to use those services for serious streaming of live events. Until then, as you came to the same conclusion, replays are the only safe way to do them. Further, casting off of replays has fewer hiccups caused by caster/player/obs drama or delays for various reasons. Gives further credence to why iccup has their shit together. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On August 17 2010 04:43 Sfydjklm wrote: wait what, lastshadow is not asian? I could swear i saw him being asian at some wcg event a few years back. he's a weird looking white kid  | ||
Kinky
United States4126 Posts
Players: 0 (confirmed) 347 (registered) 512 (maximum) now. | ||
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sputnik.theory
Poland449 Posts
Also, ICON! woot  | ||
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ShoelessSteve
Canada7 Posts
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
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Trozz
Canada3456 Posts
Bracket should be coming soon. See ya at the top! | ||
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Alou
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CagedMind
United States506 Posts
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On August 22 2010 07:08 CagedMind wrote: Umm it says I'm matched up against someone but doesn't give identifier number and when I click on name it gives me no1 with this id exists on gosugamers. Yes, i forsee this being a problem in my future rounds | ||
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CauthonLuck
United States93 Posts
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CagedMind
United States506 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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